Inari's water situations

inari

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I did some testing today i've been testing about once a day usually in the middle of the day mostly i've been getting results that I have expected low numbers to zeros on the items that are measured in conentration:

here is what I got today:
Nitrates: 5.0 ppm
Nitrites: 2.0 ppm
pH: 8.2-8.4
Ammonia: 0-.25 ppm
Temp: 81

any ideas on what is causing this

yesterday my readings were:

Nitrates: 0 ppm (I have never seen Nitrates so far)
Nitrites: .25 ppm (steady for the last few days)
pH: 8.2
Ammonia: .25 ppm (has been steady for the last few days)
Temp: 79

is this a bad thing going worse or just a normal thing considering that part of my Bio-Spira was probly dead?
thanx

Inari
 

chickadee

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You have to get Nitrates for the cycle to complete and the 5.0 is not a bad reading at all. The Nitrite reading however is not good. a reading of 2.0 is too high. It should not get above 1.0. Your ammonia is starting to decrease and that is good, but I think you need to do a 30% water change (about a third) to cut down a bit on those Nitrites. You won't get them down all the way but perhaps down to a manageable level 1.0 or below.

Everything else looks okay.

Rose
 
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inari

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How often should I be changing the water then is this a one time thing and see where it goes?

I can't do it today I it is lights out for everyone in the tank right now but first thing in the morning I will be
thanx

brent
 

chickadee

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Until the parameters are: Nitrate less than 10.0, Nitrite 0, and Ammonia 0 when you check them daily your tank is not fully cycled. Unless the Nitrates are high in your drinking water right out of the tap, which it doesn't sound like they are as your Nitrates are not that high, you will change the water whenever the following happens (other than the usual changes of course) ANY ammonia readings, Nitrites over 1.0, and Nitrates over 20.0. Otherwise just do your daily testing and change the water on your normal schedule. Eventually the Ammonia will be at 0 Nitrites will be at 0 and Nitrates will be below 10.0.

Rose
 
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inari

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well my ammonia finally droped to 0 the others are still fluxuating
 

chickadee

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It is on the way then, just be patient and do the water changes if the other parameters get above the high levels. Good luck. Sounds like everything is going well.

Rose
 
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inari

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I just had a nitrate spike it went up to 10.0 today after the water change ugg what would cause this all I have is InarI and two un named bamboo shirmp so confused

brent
 

chickadee

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I do not know how much biological load shrimp put on a tank but it could be that the tank is having a hard time keeping up with the extra inhabitants just yet. It is a new cycle and pretty fragile as yet. The Bacteria are going to struggle for a bit keeping up with a fish load since you believe that the Bio-Spira you got may have not been full strength. It is like you did a partial fish induced cycle instead of a fishless one and it is not quite as strong as one that is fishless or done with full strength Bio-Spira. It is okay at this point, just don't let the Nitrates go over 20.0 for any reason and better to keep them below 10.0. Of course, you may want to test your tap water. My tap water tests between 40 and 80 straight out of the tap so it could be a momentary problem at your water treatment plant if you have recently added any water. Also if your nitrite levels have gone down substantially, that could also signal the close to the end of your cycle as the nitrites would have been converted to nitrates and that could have made the spike, but you did not tell me what the Nitrites were. If they were 0 then I would say it was just the conversion of the Nitrites. If the Nitrates stay at 10.0 and go no higher then probably your cycle is over as long as the Nitrite is 0 and Ammonia is 0.

Do I have you confused? If so please feel free to tell me. I am betting it is close to the end of your cycle and nothing to worry about.

Rose
 
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inari

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from what I keep reading in the water chemistry article that is how i'm understanding it my current test results as good as they look are as follows

Nitrates: 5 ppm
Nitrites: 0 ppm
Ammonia: 0 ppm
pH: 8.0 (.4 drop from yesterday **** is up with that?)

other than that everything is going pretty well minus the fact that I have to keep my Bamboo shrimp under almost 24/7 watch on was trying to crawl up the filter intake to get out I have a lid put i'm sure they are craft enough tho inarI is a little snitch he flares at them when they are on the inakes when they get close enough to the glass I'll get a pic of them they are kind of idk odd looking to say the least but a hand full kinda like inarI who likes to pick on them when no one is looking lol
thanx for all ur help rose

brent
 

chickadee

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Your cycle is complete. The nitrate spike was just the last of the Nitrites being converted to Nitrates before they disappeared. Congratulations!

Rose
 
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inari

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woot
 

chickadee

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I have had Marty, the 2 Otos (Dopey, and Dingbat) and Ivory (the Mystery Snail) in a 5 gallon bucket with a filter, heater, plants, decorations, and a fluorescent light (all the ammenities of home) while their tank gets de-pond snailized and last night before bed I saw something about 6" from the front door on my wood floor and went to check it and it was IVORY (the snail). He had crawled out and slid across about 20 feet of floor before I caught him. He went into another tank. (with a lid) The fish are fine as they do not even come to the top except for Marty at food time.

Rose
 
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inari

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well atleast ur invert was found I lost a bamboo shrimp yes I lost him he is no longer in the tank tho the smaller one hyrda is
 

chickadee

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As much as I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, you do realize that Bettas will occasionally eat shrimp.  Not often that I have known of but they are a favorite meal in the breeders tanks.  These are different kinds I am aware but just be aware that InarI may have had a rather large supper and may need some peas. I am sorry about your shrimp and I do hope for all your sakes that you can find him. He may just be hiding to avoid Inari. I hope so.

Rose
 
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inari

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let me ask u this not to sound like a smart ** * but this shrimp was about as long as inarI is not to mention 2x as fast do u still think the little dude became dinner...I do know that bettas like shrimp but if he ate Kappa then y hasn't he eaten Hydra and why isn't there any remains of Kappa like a leg or some such thing?
 

chickadee

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I do not know that he did just that it has been done before. ???
 
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inari

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I do appreciate the advice i'm just trying to plug any holes in ur reply..

Does anyone know if a 2" betta would eat a 2" bamboo shrimp? If so does anyone know how to pump a fish's stomach cause that is about 2 months worth of food right there

thanx

brent
 
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inari

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got another water issue ugg ammonia is at 0 ppm but the nitrates are at 10 ppm and that is AFTER a non routine water change this is the second one in two days and nitrates are still high what is up with that still cycling?

also inarI keep brushing against plants and 'jumping' away any advise?
 

chickadee

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Actually the 10.0 on the Nitrates is not that bad. You do not want it to go higher than that and don't get too worried about the tank fluctuating a little while the filter is newly cycled especially after water changes.

As far as the "brushing" goes, watch him. He has been a cool water fishy for a long time and you got by without having him have any of the cool water diseases, but "brushing and flicking against items" in the tank can be a sign that he is "itchy or ichy" If he starts to have little white spots or anything on him that looks different, be sure to bring it to someones attention so that he can have the problem corrected. If there is nothing wrong he will quit it in a day or two.

Rose
 
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inari

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I Have noticed that his head usually black with a blue tinge has changed to brown spots should I worry about this?
 

chickadee

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I do not think this is a problem but to be on the safe side, since he came from a cool water tank, shut the lights off in the room and use a flashlight and shine on him and see if if looks like he has little sprinkles of "gold dust" on him. This is indicative of Velvet or "Rust Disease". Like I said it is unlikely but since he is from the other tank not too long ago, let's check just in case.

Don't worry too much. It can be handled even if it is present. The major treatment is to slowly raise the temperature to 83 degrees and leave it there for a period of 14 days kind of like you do Ich but there would be a chemical (or medication) to use also. I am almost sure it is not a part of your problem though as it is not all that common. Now if you had told me that he had White Spots then we would be treating for Ich immediately but all that means is raising the temperature - not medication. (85 degrees for 14 days)

Just keep an eye on him if he doesn't shine like he is peppered with gold dust and let us know if there are changes in the spot you are referring to. It could be some kind of other parasite and Pimafix is the treatment for the least amount of stress in getting rid of parasites.

Hope he is okay.

Rose
 
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inari

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I took a look at him and discoved that he HATES lights out and a flashlight man if he had fingers he would have fliped me off I just know it anyway his head look ok I so see something that resembles some kind of mold on him its turquoise ish colored looks kinda odd not like a mold u'd see on left overs but odd to say the least I can't get a solid pic of it but it is around his gills IDK what is going with him he does have a shrimp one now Hydra that he teases something awful and now I can't find hydra either another story for another time anyway would the strange coloration around his gill covers be a sign of anything?
help pls

brent
 

chickadee

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The only thing I could find in the books about anything that was of the coloration type you mentioned was the possibility of Gill Flukes but it says the gill flap will be slightly gray looking in color on the edges. Does that sound like what you are telling me? If so there are treatments for gill flukes but the problem is the shrimp. Most fluke treatments contain ingredients which will harm your shrimp.

If you can tell me more about the moldy look if it is still there today....

Rose
 
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inari

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Doesn't seem to be a problem now the discoloration has turn as blue as his tail tho his head is still brown...anyway u said it would harm my shrimp o u mean Inari's $6 meal? don't get me started on that i'm trying to see if he did eat Kappa or not he seems to leave Hydra alone for the most part he still swims over and is like "**** are u doing in my tank and more importantly can I eat u?" Idk i'm giving InarI one more day before I give a hard statement that he hate Kappa or not if he did o well i'm returning Hydra tomorrow anyway so it doesn't matter really...I'll get some ghost shrimp later on if he decides he wants a midnight snack on one of them I really don't care then I can get them for .35 to $1 ea so no big loss lol
 

chickadee

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Betta fry are raised on Baby Brine Shrimp so most of them do have a taste for shrimp, but do be careful because protein is the great CONSTIPATION promoter and the shrimp is 100% protein (fat free ). Since he already had a problem, I do not know if I would tempt him. Also shrimp is a very rich meat and only for feeding a couple of times a week at the most - even the containers say so.

I am not making light of the situation. I am sorry that you lost your shrimp, but I think that any time you add more of any kind of shrimp, you will just be feeding InarI more than he should be having.

Rose
 
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inari

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Well like I said he seems to leave Hydra the heck alone and I did find hydra trying to get out last night so it might just be that they are very adverturous....if this ones dies at this point I don't care my water parameters are pretty much perfect so I'll just get a refund on a shrimp that didn't know she didn't have lungs lol anway InarI is eating normally and if he is constipated he tends to just hang out on the gravel or a plant but he is starting his peas tonight just in case atleast he likes peas right ?
 

chickadee

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I am so glad that all seems to be well except perhaps for the "gold dust" problem? It is so good to hear of a betta who is doing well instead of having a problem.

Take care and I am so sorry about the shrimp.

Rose
 
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inari

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o well it happened personally I would have rathered InarI eat it then it wouldn't have went to waste tho i'd be cutting up peas everynight instead of digging out pellets hmm the lesser of two evils I wonder...
 

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