Idk What This Algae Is, Need It Off Plants.

Greengirl87

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I have been battling this algae for 2 years. I had it before live plants. I thought adding live plants might help. It has not. In fairness, I don't think it has gotten worse either. ApI algaefix doesn't really help. Blackout didn't really help, helped a little, but not much. It comes off easy, in huge patches. Just comes back fast. Sometimes, as you can kind of see in the pics, it just comes off by itself. It grows everywhere in the tank. Literally there is not a single area or surface this stuff will not grow on-decor, plants, walls, filter...everything. My cory cats and neon dg will eat it. I know my tank gets too much light. And I'm trying to figure that out. But it is a little difficult with the schedule I have.

Now, I'm not trying to eradicate it from the tank. I will soon be tearing down this tank(37 gallon) because I hate it, I no longer have space for it, and I've got a 55 cycling. I am describing this to figure out what it is, so that I can get it off the plants because they will need moved to other tanks. And I don't want this stuff making its way into my other tanks.

Any help on an ID or at least a way to safely get it off plants is appreciated. Plants are crypts and java fern.
 

Wraithen

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Looks like a severe case of diatoms. Try a packet of phosphiltrum or something similar and see if that helps. It will take a few days to start noticing results. It won't kill the diatoms, but will remove their food source.
 

86 ssinit

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I’m guessing you have other tanks and this is the only one affected. If so remove the plants clean off as much as you can under runnnng water than do a peroxide dip for about 3 min on each plant. Than put them in a holding tank or bucket for a week or so just to make sure it’s all gone. The java fern should be fine though the crypts are hit or miss. Some come through fine others melt but may still come back
 
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Greengirl87

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Wraithen said:
Looks like a severe case of diatoms. Try a packet of phosphiltrum or something similar and see if that helps. It will take a few days to start noticing results. It won't kill the diatoms, but will remove their food source.
What is phosphiltrum?
 
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Greengirl87

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86 ssinit said:
I’m guessing you have other tanks and this is the only one affected. If so remove the plants clean off as much as you can under runnnng water than do a peroxide dip for about 3 min on each plant. Than put them in a holding tank or bucket for a week or so just to make sure it’s all gone. The java fern should be fine though the crypts are hit or miss. Some come through fine others melt but may still come back
I have some standard looking green algae in my other tanks. And not nearly the problem that this tank is. I have washed them and peroxide dipped before. It kind of worked, but not fully. However I didn't leave them in it for any length of time. I will try again. If I put them in a bucket, should I use water from another tank? Also, do I need to add an airstone or anything to it?
 
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Greengirl87

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Ok so I looked up phosfiltrum. It removes phosphates and silicates correct? Well phosphates barely register on my test for it. And idk how to check for silicates. But I see it usually comes with tap water. And this tank has had exclusively ro water. Though I do remineralize with this powder stuff from seachem, can't remember what it is called right now. So maybe that stuff has too many silicates? Idk. I'll research it some later.
 

angelcraze

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I've seen that type of algae before, I'm following cuz I'm not sure what it is or how to deal with it besides the obvious.

What type of lighting do you have on this tank? Is it different than the others? Can you get a timer for this light? I get my timers at Walmart.
 

86 ssinit

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Water from another tank should be fine. Don’t think they need an air stone but I would try to keep them at temperature. I don’t get diatoms much. Maybe a little when starting a new tank but they are usually like dust and a water polisher removes them. If those are diatoms than a rinse and dip should work fine.
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
I've seen that type of algae before, I'm following cuz I'm not sure what it is or how to deal with it besides the obvious.

What type of lighting do you have on this tank? Is it different than the others? Can you get a timer for this light? I get my timers at Walmart.
It is probably a little bright on the lighting for this tank. And I know for sure I've been having it on too much. But I have the same lighting on for the same amount of time in my other tanks and they don't have this type of algae problem. My issue with my lighting schedule is that I wanna turn them on in the morning so I can see and feed my fish. But then I'm gone at work all day. If I turned them off right when I got home from work it would probably be the right amount of time. But then I'd have hardly any time watching and enjoying my fish. Not sure if it is ok to put them on a timer and have lights on for a few hours in the am and few hours in pm. Idk if that will mess with the fish.
 

angelcraze

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No worries. I have the light turn on for two hours in the morning so I can feed them before work. Then they come again at 5pm to 12am so I can enjoy my fish when I get home.

What's the brand of lighting? Is your other tank deeper?
 

Wraithen

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Greengirl87 said:
Ok so I looked up phosfiltrum. It removes phosphates and silicates correct? Well phosphates barely register on my test for it. And idk how to check for silicates. But I see it usually comes with tap water. And this tank has had exclusively ro water. Though I do remineralize with this powder stuff from seachem, can't remember what it is called right now. So maybe that stuff has too many silicates? Idk. I'll research it some later.
Ro water probably means no silicates then. Unfortunately, you can't remove silicates without removing phosphates as far as I can find.

My only other guess is it's a bacteria, not an actual algae. Is it powdery or slimy? If its powdery I have to wonder if something just keeps leeching silicates into that tank somehow.

If its slimy, I suspect its bacterial and would try a controlled experiment. Take the plant out with tank water and put it in a bucket. Add red slime remover, blue slime remover, or erythromycin. If its bacterial, any one of these products will kill it within a day or two.

You using to water, and only having this problem in this one tank leads me to believe it's likely one of these two scenarios, with bacteria being the most likely, unless you can figure out a source for silicates.

Edit: just re read the part about it coming off in patches and sheets. It's not diatoms. I would try red or blue slime remover. They are the same product. If it works in the bucket, I would dose it a week before tear down. The second dose will likely be unnecessary.
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
No worries. I have the light turn on for two hours in the morning so I can feed them before work. Then they come again at 5pm to 12pm so I can enjoy my fish when I get home.

What's the brand of lighting? Is your other tank deeper?
Good to know. I'll probably start doing something similar. I get these digital timer strips from home depot. They are only $16 and work great for my reptile tanks. So I'm assuming they'll work great for my fish tanks. Lol!
 
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Greengirl87

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Wraithen said:
Ro water probably means no silicates then. Unfortunately, you can't remove silicates without removing phosphates as far as I can find.

My only other guess is it's a bacteria, not an actual algae. Is it powdery or slimy? If its powdery I have to wonder if something just keeps leeching silicates into that tank somehow.

If its slimy, I suspect its bacterial and would try a controlled experiment. Take the plant out with tank water and put it in a bucket. Add red slime remover, blue slime remover, or erythromycin. If its bacterial, any one of these products will kill it within a day or two.

You using to water, and only having this problem in this one tank leads me to believe it's likely one of these two scenarios, with bacteria being the most likely, unless you can figure out a source for silicates.
It is definitely slimy. I'll have to try those experiments. Thanks for the info!
 

angelcraze

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Greengirl87 said:
Good to know. I'll probably start doing something similar. I get these digital timer strips from home depot. They are only $16 and work great for my reptile tanks. So I'm assuming they'll work great for my fish tanks. Lol!
That should do the trick! The ones I get are plugged directly to my regular power strip, they are only 6$ or so.

I'm thinking it's bacterial as well.
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
That should do the trick! The ones I get are plugged directly to my regular power strip, they are only 6$ or so
Ya I know what kind you're talking about. I have one of my house plant lights on one of those. I just find the digital one easier to deal with. Lol! It has 4 outlets that are always on and 4 outlets that are on timers. And the timed ones are very customizable. And I always have a need for more outlets and space saving. I currently have 5 aquariums, 2 gecko vivs and 1 bearded dragon viv. Lol!
 

angelcraze

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I have 8 aquariums, 2 leopard gecko vivs haha! Love my animals
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
I have 8 aquariums, 2 leopard gecko vivs haha! Love my animals
Crested geckos for me. But I want a leo so bad. Was planning on getting one. Then kind of fell into a giant tank. And bf has always wanted a beardie. And so we're getting a beardie. Sadly it will be a bit before we have space for me to get my leo.
 

angelcraze

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I have 3 leos. They are just the regular variety, but I got a male and female as babies from a breeder. They had a bunch of babies! I used to hatch the eggs and how I got my 3rd gecko Stub. She dropped her tail as a baby and I nursed her back to health and kept her. She lives with her mama in one viv, my male Morrison has his own viv because he's crazy when he wants to breed and climbs glass lol right over the barrier I used to have in place to devide them. My pair of geckos are over 15 years old now!
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
I have 3 leos. They are just the regular variety, but I got a male and female as babies from a breeder. They had a bunch of babies! I used to hatch the eggs and how I got my 3rd gecko Stub. She dropped her tail as a baby and I nursed her back to health and kept her. She lives with her mama in one viv, my male Morrison has his own viv because he's crazy when he wants to breed and climbs glass lol right over the barrier I used to have in place to devide them. My pair of geckos are over 15 years old now!
Wow that is old! Like impressively old for leos! I know there are cases of some living 20 years or more. But it is my understanding that most pet ones only live about 10 and wild ones about 15.
 

Wraithen

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Greengirl87 said:
Wow that is old! Like impressively old for leos! I know there are cases of some living 20 years or more. But it is my understanding that most pet ones only live about 10 and wild ones about 15.
We actually settled on a beardie over a crested gecko for my daughter due to the shorter beardie lifespan. I was all for a crested gecko instead until we looked up lifespans. We are much more into a shorter lifespan. (Seems weird, I know, but it's a sweet spot for life lessons, much like a dog, and I don't want to take care of her lizard during the college years.)
 
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Greengirl87

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Wraithen said:
We actually settled on a beardie over a crested gecko for my daughter due to the shorter beardie lifespan. I was all for a crested gecko instead until we looked up lifespans. We are much more into a shorter lifespan. (Seems weird, I know, but it's a sweet spot for life lessons, much like a dog, and I don't want to take care of her lizard during the college years.)
Understandable. I'm 32 and don't have kids. Likely won't have kids, but you never know. However for the time being, my scale babies are my kids.
 

angelcraze

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Greengirl87 said:
Wow that is old! Like impressively old for leos! I know there are cases of some living 20 years or more. But it is my understanding that most pet ones only live about 10 and wild ones about 15.
Yeah, I was wondering if I put them all together now that he is an old man. I wanted to build them a nice viv in my 46g bow. But I'm too scared to try! Sorry about the hijack btw, you mentioned your pets and it's all over from there.

Getting back to your issue with the brown stuff, I'd treat it as cyanobacteria. I don't use antibiotics myself, but manual removal and h2o2 spot treatment on the blue green foul smelling stuff. The brown stuff I just roll into a ball and remove. Might have to be an everyday thing for a bit until it gets under control.
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
Yeah, I was wondering if I put them all together now that he is an old man. I wanted to build them a nice viv in my 46g bow. But I'm too scared to try! Sorry about the hijack btw, you mentioned your pets and it's all over from there.

Getting back to your issue with the brown stuff, I'd treat it as cyanobacteria. I don't use antibiotics myself, but manual removal and h2o2 spot treatment on the blue green foul smelling stuff. The brown stuff I just roll into a ball and remove. Might have to be an everyday thing for a bit until it gets under control.
Oh no, totally understandable! I get really excited telling people about my reptiles and my fish. I get it. Lol! Ya I'm not so worried about ridding this tank of the algae. Like I said, I'm breaking it down soon. Just need to put the plants in other tanks and don't wanna spread this nasty stuff. The second my 55 is cycled, my angel is going in there. The neon dg and cories are going in other tanks, just as soon as I get all that sorted. Though I might leave this 37 running as qt/just in case tank for a little while when I get all my new fish. Maybe when it has no inhabitants I'll do some experimenting with it to see what if anything will get rid of the algae.
 

angelcraze

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Sounds like a great plan I always QT! So worth it!

Let us know if you figure anything out experimenting! I did the same thing with my problem tank, kept it going fishless for 6 months to 'sterilize' it and used it as a QT. I didn't have any problems with the cycle adding 16 flame tetras at once. Not that it's a ton of bioload, but I find beneficial bacteria perks up quickly when it has food again.

Btw, crested geckos are so cute! My BFF had one. He was so cute with his big eyes and the way he made little underground tunnels in the sand.
 
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Greengirl87

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angelcraze said:
Btw, crested geckos are so cute! My BFF had one. He was so cute with his big eyes and the way he made little underground tunnels in the sand.
Confused by this. Cresties are arboreal. Really only dig if they need moisture and can't find it anywhere else. Females do it for laying eggs. But that isn't really tunneling. And you wouldn't want them on sand, because it doesn't hold humidity, and they need high humidity. Are you perhaps thinking of something else besides a crested gecko?
 

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