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So i have done a ton of research about breeding bettas but i have a few questions that have and need answers. So is a 29 gallon able to be a temporary grow out tank as long as there is more than enough hiding spots? How much could i make from one offspring of bettas selling to petco or petsmart or any other LFS? Could i breed my red veiltail male with any of my females which include a butterfly female, koi female, and reg veiltail female?
 

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29 normally is a big enough aquarium for a grow out. Fill the aquarium with alot of floating plants. As for selling, petco and petsmart will not take them. Your going to need to find a lfs which they will normally give you 10% for what they sell them for. Aquabid is another resource if you want to go to the length of shipping your fish. I also highly recommend not breeding a red vieltail to anything. the red and vieltail gene is dominant and you will have fish that look like that for the rest of their life. Another thing i do personally, is i don't recommed breeding a petco betta. Their bettas are very low quality and you won't get alot of money for them. Petco's koi bettas are a joke compared to other out there. Get some high qualitys if your going to go through selling them. Try to get bettas pertaining to a single color morph or single color. Try to avoid impuritys of color in your bettas. Lastly, other things to consider that many online resouces don't mention reguarding color is masks, pineappling, and dragon scale. Consider these other genes in your betta when breeding. lastly, try to stay away from double tails if you can. these bettas have alot of genetic problems and aren't worth it.
 
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29 normally is a big enough aquarium for a grow out. Fill the aquarium with alot of floating plants. As for selling, petco and petsmart will not take them. Your going to need to find a lfs which they will normally give you 10% for what they sell them for. Aquabid is another resource if you want to go to the length of shipping your fish. I also highly recommend not breeding a red vieltail to anything. the red and vieltail gene is dominant and you will have fish that look like that for the rest of their life. Another thing i do personally, is i don't recommed breeding a petco betta. Their bettas are very low quality and you won't get alot of money for them. Petco's koi bettas are a joke compared to other out there. Get some high qualitys if your going to go through selling them. Try to get bettas pertaining to a single color morph or single color. Try to avoid impuritys of color in your bettas. Lastly, other things to consider that many online resouces don't mention reguarding color is masks, pineappling, and dragon scale. Consider these other genes in your betta when breeding. lastly, try to stay away from double tails if you can. these bettas have alot of genetic problems and aren't worth it.
Wow! Thanks for the amazing advice dude! One more thing though. I don't really know how to choose good pairs but you seem to know a lot about it. How do i make a pair? Obviously me wanting to breed a red and one of my females is a great and accurate example of what i know about making pairs.
 

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I normally get my bettas off of aquabid. ther'e are alot of good breeders on their. As for choosing a pair, it's what ever you want the end result to be. Maybe you could tell me what your looking for as an end result so i can help you pick what type of pair you need. As in colors and tail type.
 
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I normally get my bettas off of aquabid. ther'e are alot of good breeders on their. As for choosing a pair, it's what ever you want the end result to be. Maybe you could tell me what your looking for as an end result so i can help you pick what type of pair you need. As in colors and tail type.
Cool! Thanks! So i like white opals and i'd like to breed it with another. I guess i would want the bettas to have these colors. Maybe a blue female. I would love to see one of the babies to have both combined. I am not quite sure on how results work...
 

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Here is another post i put on another thread a while back. Not doesn't answer your question perfectly, but it might help.

Firstly, i guessing your talking about betta splendens the "petstore" betta. These bettas come in many different morphs and colors. Firstly, when selecting fish, try to go with solid color fish of the same color. This helps prevent colored mixes that many find ugly. Also try to get the same morph, because a solid morph will sell better than a weaker one. Double tail bettas can not be bred together because the fry will have swim bladder issues. If you like the double tail gene, you need to breed a double with another morph. After you have purchased your betta, monitor them for 3 weeks. during this process, you should condition them with live foods. , daphina, even mosquito larvae work very well for this. You must keep the fish separate at this time for the male will kill the female if they are kept together. After the 3 weeks, put each betta into a glass jar and allow them to see each other. After the male begins to build a bubble nest in the jar, you can place the male and female into the aquarium. The aquarium should be at least 10 gallons, but only filled up 6 inches with water. The aquarium should be densly planted and bare bottom. the 6 inches of water and bare bottomed aquarium are for the male when picking up eggs. He can find the eggs better and can more easily place them in the bubble nest. You need to monitor the male and female at all times during breeding because their is still a possibility of the male killing the female. Betta splendens is a domestic betta and were bred for aggression, so this is not a natural species. The male will blow a bubble nest and chase the female a bit. Sometimes the female will destroy the bubble nests until the male blows one he likes. They will begin to embrace when breeding finally happens. They will embrace, release eggs and sperm and then the male will swim to the bottom to collect the eggs, he will then put them in the nest. The female will stop moving inbetween these embraces. Other than the first introduction of the male and female, the second most important part to watch is the final egg laying. this is because if you don't remove the female after the eggs have been laid, the male will kill her in defense of the nest. remove the female from the tank but leave the male. the male will guard the nest for 3 days until the fry hatch. fry will be seen darting in and out of the bubble nest. keep the on during the 3 days, which will give you a higher survival rate for your fry. after 5 days, remove the male betta for he will then start eating the fry. the fry should be fed vinegar eels after they have used up their egg sack. after vinegar eels, they should be moved to micro worms or walter worms. walter worms survive longer in the aquarium but can be hard to find. Then you just wait for the fry to grow. It is also recommend to add indian and a antifungal medication to the fry aquarium inorder to prevent die offs. The original male and female should be given something to heal their wounds inflicted upon them during breeding. After 4 weeks of waiting for the fry to grow up, the males will begin to get aggressive and will need to be removed. If your interested, i've bred other species of betta out there including some of the wild betta species if you want to here about those. They are more expensive, but these are much less aggressive and most can be kept in small shoals.
 

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sounds like your looking for a blue marble butterfly. If you want a white and blue betta, probably a male and female of one blue and one white won't work or will take a few generations. Look for the color morph i said to give you your desired colors. You might want to look at mustard gas also. those are nice looking also but the yellow and blue really compliment each other.
 
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Here is another post i put on another thread a while back. Not doesn't answer your question perfectly, but it might help.

Firstly, i guessing your talking about betta splendens the "petstore" betta. These bettas come in many different morphs and colors. Firstly, when selecting fish, try to go with solid color fish of the same color. This helps prevent colored mixes that many find ugly. Also try to get the same morph, because a solid morph will sell better than a weaker one. Double tail bettas can not be bred together because the fry will have swim bladder issues. If you like the double tail gene, you need to breed a double with another morph. After you have purchased your betta, monitor them for 3 weeks. during this process, you should condition them with live foods. , daphina, even mosquito larvae work very well for this. You must keep the fish separate at this time for the male will kill the female if they are kept together. After the 3 weeks, put each betta into a glass jar and allow them to see each other. After the male begins to build a bubble nest in the jar, you can place the male and female into the aquarium. The aquarium should be at least 10 gallons, but only filled up 6 inches with water. The aquarium should be densly planted and bare bottom. the 6 inches of water and bare bottomed aquarium are for the male when picking up eggs. He can find the eggs better and can more easily place them in the bubble nest. You need to monitor the male and female at all times during breeding because their is still a possibility of the male killing the female. Betta splendens is a domestic betta and were bred for aggression, so this is not a natural species. The male will blow a bubble nest and chase the female a bit. Sometimes the female will destroy the bubble nests until the male blows one he likes. They will begin to embrace when breeding finally happens. They will embrace, release eggs and sperm and then the male will swim to the bottom to collect the eggs, he will then put them in the nest. The female will stop moving inbetween these embraces. Other than the first introduction of the male and female, the second most important part to watch is the final egg laying. this is because if you don't remove the female after the eggs have been laid, the male will kill her in defense of the nest. remove the female from the tank but leave the male. the male will guard the nest for 3 days until the fry hatch. fry will be seen darting in and out of the bubble nest. keep the on during the 3 days, which will give you a higher survival rate for your fry. after 5 days, remove the male betta for he will then start eating the fry. the fry should be fed vinegar eels after they have used up their egg sack. after vinegar eels, they should be moved to micro worms or walter worms. walter worms survive longer in the aquarium but can be hard to find. Then you just wait for the fry to grow. It is also recommend to add indian and a antifungal medication to the fry aquarium inorder to prevent die offs. The original male and female should be given something to heal their wounds inflicted upon them during breeding. After 4 weeks of waiting for the fry to grow up, the males will begin to get aggressive and will need to be removed. If your interested, i've bred other species of betta out there including some of the wild betta species if you want to here about those. They are more expensive, but these are much less aggressive and most can be kept in small shoals.
So if i was to follow this it would accurate? Also i have to choose the same morph and they both have to be the same color? Or can i have same body morphs but they both can have different solid colors like. One can be white and one could be blue?
 
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DutchAquarium said:
sounds like your looking for a blue marble butterfly. If you want a white and blue betta, probably a male and female of one blue and one white won't work or will take a few generations. Look for the color morph i said to give you your desired colors. You might want to look at mustard gas also. those are nice looking also but the yellow and blue really compliment each other.
Color morph as in same color?
 

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I added another post after my long one to help explain the white vs blue betta situation.
 
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yes, color morph is in as same color
But you put after the long one that mustard gas which are yelliw and the blue marble would look good on eachother. I am getting confused. Do they have to be the same colors? I know they have to be the same body morph. Also i am looking to get white and blue as the outcome. A white betta and a blue one would take a few generations but how would i get them without it taking a few generations?
 

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Look into the blue marble butterfly. this will give you a white and blue betta with out going through a few generations.
 
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DutchAquarium said:
Look into the blue marble butterfly. this will give you a white and blue betta with out going through a few generations.
So breed to blue marble butterlfy bettas?
 
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Yes, breed a blue marble to a blue marble
Ok sounds good i will try it out. But what would happen if you were to breed different colors. Also could i breed my red male with one of my females as a test? If so where could i give them away?
 
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Could i breed my red veil tail male with my blue veil tail female a test and simple first time experience? Also where could i give them away? Petco? For like store credit?
 

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Petco won't take them. your going to need to sell them to your lfs. However, they usually only give you 10% percent of what they sell them for. That's why you should go with a high quality betta, because other wise the price isn't worth it.
 
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DutchAquarium said:
Petco won't take them. your going to need to sell them to your lfs. However, they usually only give you 10% percent of what they sell them for. That's why you should go with a high quality betta, because other wise the price isn't worth it.
Like i said this is just a test for experice or what not so i am not really worried about money for this spawn. Coould i breed them? They are both veil tails?
 
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