I have angelfish wigglers!!!

Hehe I forgot about that! His fins were enormous!

They were crazy huge! And in my experience, it isn't super common for them to be THAT huge. But he did eventually "grow in to them" and he is more proportionate now

Edit...it's still pretty tall though!

 

I wonder if it has something to do with being an only fry? No competition for food and stuff.

 

I wonder if it has something to do with being an only fry? No competition for food and stuff.

I think that is a very valid theory!!

 

I don't think it would be awful if his fins stayed huge...I think it's kinda cute. Like a newborn fawn with longggg lanky legs

 

Haven't been keeping up with updates on the little one, I finally took some pictures today though! I've been adding plants to his tank to get him used to new things and he's been showing some aggressive behaviour towards his snail tank mates. Getting bolder as he gets bigger

He scared me this morning when I dropped a bloodworm half in the tank as a treat for the lone RCS that refused to be caught. He grabbed it and sucked it in like a piece of spaghettI but it was still too much for him to swallow and he eventually gave up




P.S. I love that Groucho eyebrow

 

LOL omg I love his coloring so much! Especially the Groucho brow!!! He looks like he's giving you a serious side eye

 

LOL he totally is! I hope his dorsal fin stays pink like that. The "eyebrow" cracks me up;D

 

Haven't been keeping up with updates on the little one, I finally took some pictures today though! I've been adding plants to his tank to get him used to new things and he's been showing some aggressive behaviour towards his snail tank mates. Getting bolder as he gets bigger

He scared me this morning when I dropped a bloodworm half in the tank as a treat for the lone RCS that refused to be caught. He grabbed it and sucked it in like a piece of spaghettI but it was still too much for him to swallow and he eventually gave up

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P.S. I love that Groucho eyebrow

Aqua!
What a beautiful lil dude! I love the markings. Absolutely perfect. Keep up the good work

 

He is BEAUTIFUL!!! Just gorgeous!!!!

 

Wow he has grown up a lot.

 

It's been about a month and a half now Aqua!!! I need a Charming update!

 

Agreed with bizaliz3 ! How's that cute little guy doing?!

 

LOL! I've been thinking of taking a picture of him and showing you how he's doing but it's so hard to tell size. He looks exactly the same, only bigger! He's about 2 inches high, maybe a little less, from the tip of his dorsal fin to the tip of his analfin.

Tried to get a picture this morning but as usual he got so excited begging for food that none of my shots turned out. They were either blurs or there was just empty tank in the picture

So here's a short video!

 

OH I can definitely see the growth!! What a BEAUTY!!!

I chose the "heart" because I love it so much! Not because you are friendly (which you are!!) lol

 

Thank-you! I want to try to get a picture when he's angled just so in a stray sunbeam which can sometimes get in there. His tiny scales shimmer like jewels

And I want to use the heart for that, too! Maybe if we all just start using it like that it will become that

 

You get a heart from me too! He's so cute !!! I laughed when I saw him scoot out of the frame as the video ended; such a dramatic little fish LOL.

 

He is! You should have seen him before I started the video. I was trying to take still shots and he was really darting around and wiggling. I think by this point he'd kind of given up

For all his fans, another video update! Caught him just at the right time of day when a little sun can sneak in the window. Unfortunately opening the blind to let that sun in meant my cat gravitated to it and blocked the light. You can see her shadow moving on the tank in the video

 

HE IS SO GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for sharing! I am so glad he is doing so well for you!

 

Thanks! I tried feeding minced garlic recently because I heard that fish like it. Maybe I should have cooked it first but Charming grabbed it, spit it out and shook his head like he was trying to get the taste out of his mouth and then gave me the dirtiest look! With that Groucho eyebrow it was extra comical

 

I'm not sure if you saw my mention a few days ago...so I'll post it here!! I have a koi baby that totally makes me think of Canadian charming!! I just wanted to share!! He's Rocking the brow!!!

 

OMG THAT'S AWESOME!!!

 

OMG THAT'S AWESOME!!!

I'm definitely keeping him in honor of Canadian Charming

I don't know if you have been following my angelfish breeding thread lately, but there are 3 babies that have actually grown up with their parents. Something I have never done before. This guy is one of those 3. And I love all 3 of them. So likely they will be the 3 koi babies I keep long term. One of them is ALL white. Not a single ounce of black. She will be one cool looking Koi!!

 

Have had a lot of things on my plate recently so haven't been as diligent about checking in on threads as I used to be. I'll go have a look now!

Charming Spot is getting so big I had to hold the smartphone vertically to fit in all the fins! The ventral fin is so long that it almost looks like a veil Angel's

Today for the first time I saw that Charming Spot's ventral fins are turning blue! His parents have the same colouration. It's a very striking colour, like an electric spark, especially noticeable in dark water. Looking at the last picture I posted I can see that the blue was present even then but I didn't see it without the aid of a camera until today.

 

What a handsome fellow he's becoming.

....he looks like an angry fish storming off in the last photo though thanks to his "eyebrow" hahahah!

 

Haha you're right! I didn't see it that way before but now that's how I'm going to think of him

 

Ok. So in my community tank my angels successfully guarded the eggs and when they hatched they moved them to a leaf where they are guarding them. When i was feeding them this morning a cardinal darted in and snatched a couple but the parents quickly chased it away. These are actually pretty good parents because they don't terrorize the tank just a small area around the eggs and now frys and they moved them when they hatched and continue to guard them.
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I took a picture but they are way too small to see. I guess i'll skip the water change tomorrow since it would move the water level below the frys. I don't really expect them to make it as this is a busy tank (lots of loaches; though in the upper waters pretty much it is only cardinals and angels). The first picture is a semi close up to the nest (it is the back
leaf) the second is nearly full tank to give context. The platinum is mommy and the black is daddy. The black angel was spitting food onto the leaf which seems a little weird since the frys should still be in yoke eating age. I guess if they get to free swimming i might try to net one or two and put in a marina box but i don't really have a spare tank for them.






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How long will the pair guard the frys and if i do remove a few at what point can they eat regular food? I do have some fry minis and hiraki baby food i could feed them if i put a few in a marina container. Long term I can't keep them too long - i could put a few in a 29 once they are large enough to not be eaten but when they get older would have to find someone to adopt them. I'm mostly curious what they will look like given the mother is platinum and male some sort of black.

 

keep them with the perants for 3 weeks then move them to a tank of their own the mum and dad will look after them and teach them to look after there young when they get ready to breed if u tank the young away the adults might not breed for ages again

 

Day two the wrigglers are still alive in the community tank. Trying to decide what to do before saturday (next water change day). By then they should be close to swimming. Wish they would eat zuc like my clown loach who is chowing down a huge piece.

 

Day 4 1/2 and all I have is a pile of wrigglers. They should be free swimming soon ? If they make it till tomorrow (saturday) Morning i'll stuff them in a bucket so i can do a water change.... hum... oh well.

 

Wigglers in a community tank.
Right now the parents are able to guard them. But... As soon as they become bouncers and swimmers the parents will have a tough time keeping all of them corralled and safe. You may end up with some survivors though.
If you decide to move them be careful the parents might see it as a threat and start eating them.

Good Luck!

 

Yea i was pretty impressed the loaches haven't eaten them. I have 5 clowns and 8 gold zebra. The tetra are easy for the parents to handle but the loaches are a bit larger. Gladly none of them really wanted to mess with two angry angels. If i capture them i'd only want a few - i can't raise them very long - just don't have the space but i can grow them a little larger and give them to the lfs. I'll probably give the adult platinum i have in the 29 to the lfs - my plans for moving are 6 months behind schedule and I can't keep it in there forever - just too small of a tank. That'll free the tank up for a few frys when they are large enough to avoid the ram. Anyway I'll decide waht to do tomorrow morning. The tank needs a good cleaning and i don' think i can pass another day.

Wigglers in a community tank.
Right now the parents are able to guard them. But... As soon as they become bouncers and swimmers the parents will have a tough time keeping all of them corralled and safe. You may end up with some survivors though.
If you decide to move them be careful the parents might see it as a threat and start eating them.

Good Luck!

 

Day 5? I pulled the leaf with the wriggler - not sure how many of them stayed on the leaf when i removed it - i know i have at least one free swimmer in the pail.

 

I have at least 6 or 7 free swimmers. I put in just a touch of bbs. I'll give them a touch more before i go to sleep tonight and tomorrow morning. I'll do a water change i guess in the afternoon.

 

Well it has been a few days. It looks like i have between 10 and 15 free swimmers. I've been injecting bbs around them with an eye dropper. That usually gets them excited so I think they are eating but who knows (I can't see the bbs in the pail to see if they are actually eaten; which also means i can't tell if i am over feeding or under feeding). The pia is that i have to go to the lfs to pick up bbs every 3 or 4 days since the old batch dies. Anyway - hopefully in 10ish days the frys (if any live) will be willing to eat non-live food which will make life easier.

 

Swimmers.
Normally, I have a hatchery going. Which usually hatch out in 24 to 36 hrs. Just the right size for their tiny mouths and bellies. Feed 3-4x per day. You can also try some pellets, grinding up to a fine powder and toss a pinch in. One they know its food they go crazy.

Good Luck!

 

Yea i purchased one but for now i'll just have to get a fresh batch from the lfs every 3 or 4 days. I have some hiraki first bite but i'm not sure they are eating it. I'm not that sure they are doing well. They are still alive and they do seem to get excited when i inject bbs near them but just not sure it is going well.

Swimmers.
Normally, I have a hatchery going. Which usually hatch out in 24 to 36 hrs. Just the right size for their tiny mouths and bellies. Feed 3-4x per day. You can also try some pellets, grinding up to a fine powder and toss a pinch in. One they know its food they go crazy.

Good Luck!

 

A full week later - at least 3 died - mostly because i have no clue what i'm doing. At least 5 are still alive. I purchased this really nifty brine shrimp hatchery:
https://www.brineshrimpdirect.com/hatchery-dish

That works really well - the problem with the stuff i was getting from lfs is it was mostly egg and it was impossible to sep. the eggs from the shrimp. With this nifty thingy i'm getting 100% shrimp and no eggs. Probably still over feeding but once i put the shrimp in the pail i can't see them so it is super hard to judge. Also the pail was probably a mistake because it is so large relative to the fry - anyway i'll keep plugging away at these 5 until they either get larger or pass.

 

Another wriggler died I'm wondering if i killed it this morning when i fed it brine shrimp. I injected some salt water from the hatchery (no eggs). I think it was one of the larger ones that was swimming near the top when i fed them. I have at least 4 left - this morning a larger fry was swimming near the top and the black one is also showing some size.
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Oh well i have fresh bbs for noon feeding.

 

Oh well. it looks like the last two died last night. Not sure why. I was keeping the temp at 79. I know i was over feeding them but i was doing 50% water changes daily. I know the first 2 days there was slight ammonia poisoning (roughly .5ppm) and that the bbs i was getting from the shop wasn't very good. Guess i'll try again next time the angels produce wrigglers or maybe i'll steal the eggs earlier if they put them in a good location. Hum. Kind of wish i knew what i did wrong beyond over feeding.

 

Hum. Kind of wish i knew what i did wrong beyond over feeding.

Well, I went through similar results a couple of years back with a pair of Angels, still have no idea. Some breeders have mentioned the 2 week mark are a success hurdle. Closest I got with one fry was about 9 days, then?
Finally, ended up selling. Now give me some EBA or Bolivians spawning and fry everywhere.
Still struggling with my GBR, Gold and Hybrid rams though.

Good Luck!