I Give Up! Ammonia Issue

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Trice said:
All are brand new ornaments. Just meant that I used to have one of the exact same ones in the past that didn’t cause any ammonia problems so I’m sure it’s not the other ornament.
Thanks for clarifying.

So is the Haunted House still in a bucket? Just wondering if the reading will go up more if it's left there a few days...
 
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SeanyBaggs123 said:
Couple other thoughts....

Did you buy the Marine or Freshwater version of ATM Colony?
I've read that it doesn't work as well in water with high alkalinity. Have you tested your KH?
Have you reached out to Acrylic Tank Manufacturing directly?
My tank is glass. Yes, it’s the freshwater Colony. My KH is about 40. GH is 30.

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Algonquin said:
Thanks for clarifying.

So is the Haunted House still in a bucket? Just wondering if the reading will go up more if it's left there a few days...
Yes, it’s still in the bucket bc I’m curious to check it again in a few hours.

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My tank is glass. Yes, it’s the freshwater Colony. My KH is about 40. GH is 30.
No, have not reached out to ATM
 

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Trice said:
My tank is glass. Yes, it’s the freshwater Colony. My KH is about 40. GH is 30.

Yes

Yes, it’s still in the bucket bc I’m curious to check it again in a few hours.

No

No, have not reached out to ATM
Exert from the Q & A with ATM:

5)What are the keys to the success or failure with Colony?
With Colony, it is vital to follow the water parameters given on the bottle first and to shake the bottle well. The secrets are very simple. Keep pH stable, make sure you have a KH of 90 or above. Great aeration is essential. An air stone in the bio-filtration area is like steroids for the aerobic bacteria in Colony.

Still in the "you don't have an ammonia problem" camp.
If I were in your shoes I would contact ATM.
 

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SeanyBaggs123 said:
make sure you have a KH of 90 or above
Curious as to why a tank would need a a KH of 90 or above for BB to do their thing?
 

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Algonquin said:
Curious as to why a tank would need a a KH of 90 or above for BB to do their thing?
So am I....

The Manufacturer themselves have eluded to odd test results with water conditioners..
Need stable ph... OP didn't have stable ph
Need kh over 90.... OP doesn't...

The fish is fine...

We're all chasing an ammonia source that may not exist, and could possibly be explained by the manufacturer of the bacteria. Just my opinion
 

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How much 'Colony' was put in the tank, and how many times? (I could go back thru the thread and try to find it... but you know.. 7 pages) lol
 
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Algonquin said:
How much 'Colony' was put in the tank, and how many times? (I could go back thru the thread and try to find it... but you know.. 7 pages) lol
I full bottle was for 25 gallons, just once
 

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SeanyBaggs123 said:
We're all chasing an ammonia source that may not exist, and could possibly be explained by the manufacturer of the bacteria. Just my opinion
It could very well be that some strange readings can come from using colony but this unexplained high ammonia reading came before Colony was added.
 
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SeanyBaggs123 said:
Exert from the Q & A with ATM:

5)What are the keys to the success or failure with Colony?
With Colony, it is vital to follow the water parameters given on the bottle first and to shake the bottle well. The secrets are very simple. Keep pH stable, make sure you have a KH of 90 or above. Great aeration is essential. An air stone in the bio-filtration area is like steroids for the aerobic bacteria in Colony.

Still in the "you don't have an ammonia problem" camp.
If I were in your shoes I would contact ATM.
Wow! Nothing like that on the bottle. My tank isn’t cycled & I read somewhere on here that Colony adds the beneficial bacteria needed so I grabbed some.

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It could very well be that some strange readings can come from using colony but this unexplained high ammonia reading came before Colony was added.
Exactly. This high ammonia reading has been going on for weeks! I just added Colony the other day. Every WC it’s been the same thing...test water after adding it to tank & get a reading of 8 while the tap water I added is 0.

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So am I....

The Manufacturer themselves have eluded to odd test results with water conditioners..
Need stable ph... OP didn't have stable ph
Need kh over 90.... OP doesn't...

The fish is fine...

We're all chasing an ammonia source that may not exist, and could possibly be explained by the manufacturer of the bacteria. Just my opinion
The problem tho is that I’ve had high ammonia readings for weeks! I do a WC, test the tap water first...0 ammonia, add it to the tank, & the ammonia shoots up to 8. This has been going on long before Colony was introduced.
 

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Then I'm thinking we're back to the evil Haunted House. If it's causing a 1.0 ammonia reading after being in a bucket of nothing but clean (dechlorinated?) tap water for 12 hours (how long was it?), then somethings up with it.
 

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Trice said:
Wow! Nothing like that on the bottle. My tank isn’t cycled & I read somewhere on here that Colony adds the beneficial bacteria needed so I grabbed some.


Exactly. This high ammonia reading has been going on for weeks! I just added Colony the other day. Every WC it’s been the same thing...test water after adding it to tank & get a reading of 8 while the tap water I added is 0.


The problem tho is that I’ve had high ammonia readings for weeks! I do a WC, test the tap water first...0 ammonia, add it to the tank, & the ammonia shoots up to 8. This has been going on long before Colony was introduced.
Gotchya.... I didn't read well enough then. I knew you were dealing with ammonia issues, but I didn't realize they were that high before and after the addition of the bacteria. In that case I agree with the rest, and am at a loss for which factor is contributing to your test results.

It is worth noting though that your seachem ammonia badge was on alert, but is not now. I think your original ammonia problem was toxic and legitimate, and your current ammonia problem is likely less toxic ammonium. This would support @mattgirl's theory that the ammo-lock converted the ammonia into a form that can't be processed by the bacteria you've established. It would also support others' claims that if the ammonia was high enough to start (8ppm is the highest your test goes) that your 80 percent water change wouldn't bring it down to a level measurable by your test kit.

I noticed you rinsed the gravel in a strainer, did you already walk us through the rest of your tank setup?
 

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Algonquin said:
Then I'm thinking we're back to the evil Haunted House. If it's causing a 1.0 ammonia reading after being in a bucket of nothing but clean (dechlorinated?) tap water for 12 hours (how long was it?), then somethings up with it.
I am thinking along these same lines. That haunted house may be filled with ammonia/ammonium laden ectoplasum

If the number keeps going up in the bucket with it in there I think we may have found the cause of the high ammonia readings.
 
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Do you perchance live near any polluting industries? A steel mill? Textile Mill? Significant amounts of microscopic pollutants in air can be absorbed into water...
Hey, easy on the New Jersey stereotypes!
 
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Now testing the gravel. I’ve just scooped a bunch out, put it in the bucket & the initial reading is .50. Will retest tomorrow after it sits for awhile.

Just reran the ammonia test on the tank itself for the **** of it. It’s still at 8

I’ve always used Aqua Tech filters in the past, but they’ve added a new piece...this red thing that goes in front of the filter cartridge. Could this thing be holding ammonia?
 

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Trice said:
I’ve always used Aqua Tech filters in the past, but they’ve added a new piece...this red thing that goes in front of the filter cartridge. Could this thing be holding ammonia?
I don't think so. It is supposed to grow and hold bacteria. I used to run aqua tech HOB filters. My oldest one finally stopped working. I bought a new one just like the old one but the new one had that plastic thing in it. I personally don't trust something like that to grow and hold bacteria.

Sadly the new Aqua Tech lasted about a month. Company sent me a new one. It lasted less than a month. I gave up on them and just bought another Cascade 300 to match the one I already had on the tank. That was about a year ago and both new and old are still going strong.
 

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Hi, Just to clarify about some plastics.
All amines and amides read as ammonia on our test kits. So leaching of these chemicals from plastic will cause high ammonia readings. I am not aware of any way to treat the plastics to stop the leaching. Sorry, but try taking out the decos, do a water change as has been suggested and then re-test.
Hope this helps! Oh, the high reading doesn't necessarily mean high ammonia in the water.
 
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Ok so the gravel has been sitting overnight in a bucket of tap water. The ammonia is only 0.25...clearly not the source of my reading of 8 in the tank. The haunted house was at 1. Idk what to test next. I’ve pretty much covered everything. Going out now but I guess later I will do yet another WC & see what happens. Ugh!
 

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Interesting... did you rinse the gravel off in tap water before putting it in the bucket? Or did it go in the bucket with some tank water as well?
At this point, I would probably try removing all the decorations, replace them with something simple for your fish to hide in (like a couple of unglazed terracotta pots - safe, super cheap and readily available). Do a bunch of back to back large water changes over the next day or so, and retest.
The fact that the water in the bucket with the haunted house decoration has seemed to stop at 1.0 ammonia says to me that whatever it's leaching is slowing down over time... if that theory is correct, your tank should stabilize once the decor is gone, and water has been fully changed over.
If you are still getting test results of 8 after a few days of big water changes (and no questionable decor), then I'm stymied!!!!
 

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Is the haunted house still sitting in the bucket? If it is have you tested the water to see if it has gone up more since yesterday?
 

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Trice said:
Ok so the gravel has been sitting overnight in a bucket of tap water. The ammonia is only 0.25...clearly not the source of my reading of 8 in the tank. The haunted house was at 1.
I think she said it was still at 1.0 - it's not super clear, but I'm reading that as she tested it this morning when she tested the gravel bucket?
 
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