I Finally Got Around To Doing A Writeup On My System.

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This is the system that Sunhawk and I have in our basement.

Please feel free to ask questions.

It is a BRS 5 stage system with 3 30 gallon Brute trashcans ganged together. There is a float controlled filler valve. Each can has an air stone. The last two cans are heated to 78 degrees. Before the RO/DI the water goes from the well to a house filter, then to a new gen water softener then to a splitter. The water going to the RO/DI goes to another house filter then to the RO/DI

All hardware was picked up at our local Ace Hardware store.

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3. The hole saw used for the holes.
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8. A heat gun was used to return the flattened hose back to round and make it easy to slip on. When the line cooled it formed a water tight seal.
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9. Flattened from being on a spool.
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10. Nice and round and soft. Have to move fast before it cools down. I use spit to lubricate the line and fitting.
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11. quick check of lines. They will have to be threaded through the pallets. I measured the lines and cut them to size. For ease of assembly I joined each can between the pallets.
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13. Float shut off.
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14. Filler hose.
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Woah, that's interesting!
Who's Sunhawk again?
 

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It is interesting just checking in for the first time today is all

I do a 7 stage with a shutoff value to only one bin (wife thinks i'm pushing it with that as it is lol), once in the bin shutoff via a float I stage my water with Equilibrium, and Alkaline / Acid buffer to ready for my tanks.

My biggest issue is my house RO water is always empty to drink, darn near need another setup just for the fish RO water <lol>
 

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I use a system so complex, it's called the bathroom tub
 

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Thanks for sharing your build with me to lower your tap water ph. I'm new to this so I have some questions.
Thunder_o_b said:
Each can has an . The last two cans are heated to 78 degrees.
I understand why you heat the cans but why do you put air stones in them?
Thunder_o_b said:
Before the the water goes from the well to a house filter, then to a new gen then to a splitter. The water going to the /DI goes to another house filter then to the RO/DI
Doesn't the water softener have an effect on the waters ph? I thought the RO/DI system would yield softer water but I'm guessing hardness and PH are not the same thing.. So is it beneficial to pretreat with a water softener and/or water filter before going to the RO/DI? Its my understanding that the RO/DI is a filter.
Thunder_o_b said:
14. Filler hose.
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Is it just gravity that pushes the water through or how does the water come out of the filler hose?

Last question, where are you sending the water waste?

I really appreciate you taking the time to share your insights with me. I will make sure to pass it along to the next guy!
 
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Sakura48 said:
Woah, that's interesting!
Who's Sunhawk again?
My wife

Vince00 said:
It is interesting just checking in for the first time today is all

I do a 7 stage with a shutoff value to only one bin (wife thinks i'm pushing it with that as it is lol), once in the bin shutoff via a float I stage my water with Equilibrium, and Alkaline / Acid buffer to ready for my tanks.

My biggest issue is my house RO water is always empty to drink, darn near need another setup just for the fish RO water <lol>
Have been considering another setup for the kitchen. But there are other modifications I want to make to this system first.

Sakura48 said:
I use a system so complex, it's called the bathroom tub


GKMoore said:
Thanks for sharing your build with me to lower your tap water ph. I'm new to this so I have some questions.
I understand why you heat the cans but why do you put air stones in them?
Doesn't the water softener have an effect on the waters ph? I thought the RO/DI system would yield softer water but I'm guessing hardness and PH are not the same thing.. So is it beneficial to pretreat with a water softener and/or water filter before going to the RO/DI? Its my understanding that the RO/DI is a filter.
Is it just gravity that pushes the water through or how does the water come out of the filler hose?

Last question, where are you sending the water waste?

I really appreciate you taking the time to share your insights with me. I will make sure to pass it along to the next guy!
I have air stones in because our well is 100' deep. The water is very low in O2. Also even though there is nothing for microbes to feed on I do not want to take the chance that the water will become stagnant.

The softener and pre filters do a lot of the heavy lifting. This has allowed the RO/DI to last over five years without a change out. I was talking to someone at BRS and he was surprised, saying generally they last 2-3 years before you need to do a change out.

I believe it is the DI part of the system that changes the Ph. It is not a filter but rather a resin chamber at the end of the system.

Yes the filler hose is a gravity a feed. That presents a problem. I can only get water as long as the level in the cans is above the hight of the 5 gallon buckets I use. I have a pump that I bought several years ago that I will install, and run a hard line to the first floor. I am catching up on projects. If you look behind the cans on the wall that is a job I finished last week. It is the end of a 45' hard line with air dryer and filter for my 60 gallon 6 horse air compressor.

I run the waste water to the septic system. I will be up grading the RO/DI to 150 GPD soon. Not because I need more water but because the upgrade produces around half the waste water. Even though we are on well water and do not have a water bill I want to be as efficient as possible. I am considering storing some of the waste water to use on our plants around our lodge. I understand it is good for them.

I remineralize the water with Seachem Equilibrium. This is necessary for the health of the fish, plants, and to prevent a Ph crash.
 

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Thanks for responding!
Thunder_o_b said:
The softener and pre filters do a lot of the heavy lifting. This has allowed the RO/DI to last over five years without a change out.
I figured that the pre-filtration would remove a lot of the impurities so the RO/DI system wouldn't have to.

I have two tanks, a 20 & a 55 gallon so I'm not really needing much for water changes each week. I am considering this system because it is cheap small and seems like it does a decent job. I’m interested to hear your take on it. I’m willing to pay more if this one is junk, but some reviews claim their tap went from 8.2 down to 7.0 and that is my main reason I’m looking into RO/DI.

I get city water which I believe has chloramine because it has a .25 - .5 ammonia reading. I'm going to call the city today and confirm that though. If thats the case this unit doesn't remove chloramine so could I attach a separate canister DIY to take care of it before the membrane, or do I need to find a better system for that reason, or am I ok just throwing in some Prime in the RO/DI water?

Thunder_o_b said:
I remineralize the water with . This is necessary for the health of the fish, plants, and to prevent a Ph crash.
Thanks for letting me know about Equilibrium. Probably saved me from a disaster! At what stage would you remineralize the water? In the fish tank or before when it’s in the trashcans?

Sorry for so many questions… Last one... What would be your advise on transitioning an already established tank with such a big change in the water without wiping the tank? I had no idea ph crashes happen... I'll have to do some research on that.

Thanks again.
 

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Excellent write-up, thanks for sharing all this useful information too. The idea of using pallets for the barrel bottom bulkheads is really good.
 

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Is this for an auto water top off system or just for storing water for water changes. If i sell my house to buy something bigger i want to get water lines plumbed to and from where ill have my tank.
 
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GKMoore said:
Thanks for responding!

I figured that the pre-filtration would remove a lot of the impurities so the RO/DI system wouldn't have to.

I have two tanks, a 20 & a 55 gallon so I'm not really needing much for water changes each week. I am considering this system because it is cheap small and seems like it does a decent job. I’m interested to hear your take on it. I’m willing to pay more if this one is junk, but some reviews claim their tap went from 8.2 down to 7.0 and that is my main reason I’m looking into RO/DI.

I get city water which I believe has chloramine because it has a .25 - .5 ammonia reading. I'm going to call the city today and confirm that though. If thats the case this unit doesn't remove chloramine so could I attach a separate canister DIY to take care of it before the membrane, or do I need to find a better system for that reason, or am I ok just throwing in some Prime in the RO/DI water?


Thanks for letting me know about Equilibrium. Probably saved me from a disaster! At what stage would you remineralize the water? In the fish tank or before when it’s in the trashcans?

Sorry for so many questions… Last one... What would be your advise on transitioning an already established tank with such a big change in the water without wiping the tank? I had no idea ph crashes happen... I'll have to do some research on that.

Thanks again.
The only system I have dealt with is the BRS one. I will say that their customer service is as good as any that I have delt with. There is a lot of free info on their site.

They have systems that remove chlorine and Colramine. But since I am on well water I really did not look into that.

I remineralize as I add the water to the aquarium. Put it in the aquarium then the water. For a five gallon bucket I add 1 1/2 tea spoon. But I have a lot of plants.

To transition I would do small water changes over a weeks time.

Sakura48 said:
I love that name!
It was given to her by the shaman that joined us

Brian Rodgers said:
Excellent write-up, thanks for sharing all this useful information too. The idea of using pallets for the barrel bottom bulkheads is really good.
Thank you Brian Rodgers

smee82 said:
Is this for an auto water top off system or just for storing water for water changes. If i sell my house to buy something bigger i want to get water lines plumbed to and from where ill have my tank.
No top off. I do plan to run a hard line from the basement to the first flood. I have the pump, just need to find the time
 

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That’s all so... inspiring! Classic case of (relatively) high initial investment (more time than $), for HUGE gain on the back side. Your fish would surely thank you if they could! LOL.
It’s a bit more complex than anything I would (could) set up - if nothing else I can’t ever see being able to use that much new water - but a smaller simpler system, using some of your ideas, could be in the works!
 
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bitseriously said:
That’s all so... inspiring! Classic case of (relatively) high initial investment (more time than $), for HUGE gain on the back side. Your fish would surely thank you if they could! LOL.
It’s a bit more complex than anything I would (could) set up - if nothing else I can’t ever see being able to use that much new water - but a smaller simpler system, using some of your ideas, could be in the works!
Thank you bitseriously

Years ago we were buying mineral water in five gallon jugs. It was a pain in the neck to go to the water store and exchange the jugs.
Then one day we were given distilled water (no minerals) The aquariums Ph crashed within hours. We lost a large school of glass cats along with all the other fish in the aquarium except two young angels named Fred and Ginger. Fred was blind in his right eye after that. The two lived 7 years and 6 years with many good spawns. It was that cash that prompted us to look into a RO/DI system with remineralizing the water. We no longer trusted anybody when it came to our fish. I am good with tools and improvising (though I will admit Rube Goldberg would be proud of some of my solutions )

Both Sunhawk and I suffer from M.T.S so it seemed the best choice.

Fred on the left Ginger on the right. Best mated pair I ever had.
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2. Ginger being a good mommy.
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3. Fred.
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Interesting backstory. Glad that something good came out of something... not good.
In terms of collecting all the materials, and putting in the labour, was this a "little bit at a time" sort of project, or a "jump right and and don't stop till it's done" undertaking?
BTW those are some gorgeous and healthy-looking angels! Perfect-looking finnage and scales. The pair are wild types, right (I'm not into angels... yet )? Natural appearances do it for me every time. Their colours are so understated, but they pop in a special way under the right lighting. The wild type honey gourami is a fave of mine, but sadly so hard to find here in southern ontario.
 
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Thank you bitserlously

Fred and Ginger were very special. I have baby pictures of them. I can hunt them up after I get home if you like. Yes they are standard silvers. Keep in mind that if you keep angels to keep them in even numbers. And that females will pair up.

This is a three phase project. The RO/DI and cans went up at one time. But the cans were not connected. As each can filled I would move the output to the next can. To get water I would scoop it out with a five gallon bucket. But after thinking about the contamination on the bucket from the concrete floor and the carpet on the first floor I decided to gang them together with a float fill/ shutoff......The fact that I was prone to forget to check the level in the cans and the subsequent flooding of the basement (much to Sunhawks displeasure) might have had something to do with the decision also.

Phase three will be the installing of a pump (I bought it several years ago) and hard lines to take the water to the first floor.
 
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Sunhawk and I have decided that we are going to add the 150 GPD upgrade and the pressure pump and pressure switch. As soon as the money shows up I will put the order in with BRS. I will of course add the install to this thread.
 
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Thunder_o_b said:
WOW! and here I thought there would be interest in this.
It's very interesting Thunder_o_b !!! I'm so glad this is here, and only wish I had seen it sooner. Thanks for the share.
 
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stella1979 said:
It's very interesting Thunder_o_b !!! I'm so glad this is here, and only wish I had seen it sooner. Thanks for the share.
You are welcome

stella1979 said:
It's very interesting Thunder_o_b !!! I'm so glad this is here, and only wish I had seen it sooner. Thanks for the share.
You are welcome

I hope it helps people that are considering an RO/DI with storage. The next steps is to add the pump and run a hard line to the first floor. But Right now I have to deal with all the water that flooded the dining room when the 150 failed on Thursday
 
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Oh boo :grumpy: I'm sorry to hear that Thunder. Is the livestock all doing okay?

I feel I can sort of sympathize. It's been a rough weekend for my tanks too, though nothing like flooding. Just dealing with heat after a long power outage yesterday, which sent my old a/c unit on the fritz. Nothing the Mr. can't handle but half a day without flow and two days of temps about 6 degrees higher than they should be is no fun.

One thing's for sure, Sunhawk and I are sure lucky to have handy husbands.:joyful: Btw, love the color scheme on your bike. I've been keeping an eye out for that shade of teal/aqua in corals so I can put it in the reef tank. It reminds me of the color of the ocean down here on a perfect day, (at a depth of about 40 ft with a sandy bottom, like it is just outside the reef line.)
 
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