This seems to be a really controversial topic. How many fish do you usually put per school? I usually say about 10 would be my minimum, but I am interested to see others opinions.
6 is minimum for most schooling fish. For smaller fish like pygmy cories, I'd say 10.
It is probably based on observation. People who noticed that hey my schooling fish acts really stressed, but when I added such n' such amount of other fish of the same type he didn't act as stressed.
Like yasha said noticing how the neon tetras acted happier and mimicked more natural swimming motions with a larger group.
As far as wild having hundreds of fish together in a school. First of all most pet fish we have are not wild there are differences between wild and captive bred including behavior. Take bettas for example the ones that are mostly sold in pet stores are not the wild type. They were bred for their colors, also making them slightly more aggressive then the wild type.
Secondly most don't have the tank size to put in hundreds of one school. and if they tried in a small tank their fish would probably be pretty unhealthy and unhappy.
Tiger barbs.What kind of barbs? Usually 6 is the minimum for a school
I know I need to re-home the pleco. I knew I was going to re-home him before I could get anymore fish. I just needed to know the max number of fish for a 29 gallon, and I know won't max out the number. I know what things not to do until I do the things I need to do. I was thinking of just having all neon tetras in that tank. What do you think?I would not add any more fish to your tank until you rehome the 7 inch common pleco. You have enough of a bioload as it is.
Here is what says about your 29 gallon with ONLY the common pleco and nothing else:
"Recommended water change schedule: 87% per week. (You might want to split this water change schedule to two separate 63% per week)
Your aquarium stocking level is 131%"
That would be really nice actually, you could probably do at least 20I was thinking of just having all neon tetras in that tank. What do you think?
Yes and with the contrast between blue and green decor.
Thank you I'll try to keep the pleco comfortable until I re-homed him sorry I didn't do it sooner. Would corydoras be more convenient for the tank size? If so how many? I don't plan on getting more fish until these get re-home or pass on. But it's good to have a plan in mind.To be honest...It doesn't look like you really do plan to rehome the pleco. So if we are going to talk décor....you really need to get driftwood and also build a cave or two for the guy so he can actually hide and be comfortable. You also need to buy food for him rather than having him live off of algae and scraps.
I will stop pushing you about getting rid of the pleco, but at the very least...please take some time to research his needs and give him the best environment you can despite the small tank size.
MOVING ON!!! As for adding fish AFTER rehoming the pleco, I personally find one school of fish in a 29 gallon to be most appropriate. People say the minimum for schooling fish is 6. I think that is silly. They school in the hundreds in the wild. So in my opinion. Keeping two schools of 6 fish, is putting the fishkeeper's desire for variety above the best interest of the fish.
With that being said, I suggest a large school of neons if that is what you prefer, rather than two small schools of different fish. In a 29g, I'd say as many as 20 neons if they are the only middle swimmers.
Okay..here are some explainations and answers to these questions for you. First I USED to get my fish at Walmart that explains why there WERE most of these illness and infections. second I stooped listening to that "Expert" long ago, I feed my pleco lots of veggies and alge wafers and any other suggestions that people give me, almost every day I feed him. Third I wasn't Going to get anymore fish until these live out there lives please I've learned my lesson on buying fish one after another. And your misunderstanding the maximum fish range I wanted to know the limit so I can stay WAY under the limit. At least I know I can't and won't be able to handle a common pleco and understanding I WILL have to re-home him one way or another. Just cut some slack till then and stop choking me with the slack you have. Don't fanaticise what you think I have done to that pleco, a few days after he gave that "advice" I double checked on the internet of how much a pleco should have and started feeding him like I am now. I'm no expert but I will appreciate the experts not to think LITTLE of starters. We all one way or another have done stupid things in the aquarium hobby. Most of them probably happened when we were starting the hobby. Just when you're giving me pointers on the fish hobby try to keep the hot sauce out of it.I think you need to just stop & figure out what is going wrong with your tank consistently before you go putting MORE fish in there. You have had constant ongoing issues with one illness after another after another for months now, one batch of fish dies, you just go get more. You've been taking advice from some "6-year-fish-expert" who frankly, is full of horse-puckey & doesn't know what they're talking about...
Your pleco DOES need to be FED more than once a month!!! I don't give a flying flip what your "expert" says -- you need to FEED that poor fish! He does NOT live off of his own poop & the other fishs' poop, like your so-called "expert" claims he does! I'm sorry, but that is flat-out downright abusive and cruel & it just boils my blood. Just because he is still ALIVE, does not mean that you're not mistreating him by not feeding him. You shouldn't even have a common pleco in your tank at all, but you've known that for many months now....
Your cories did not die from "too much circulation" because you put an air pump that said it was suitable for a 10-30 gallon tank in your 10-gallon tank. The earlier red-eye tetras or barbs or rasboras or ?? didn't die because you moved your decor around in your tank (I don't recall which fish you said died because of that, there are too many deaths/illnesses to keep track of at this point...) I guess that was your "6-year-expert" again, who told you that rearranging your decorations would kill your fish?? When an "expert" tells you not to feed a fish for an entire month, that it will live off of eating it's own poop, and you *believe* that... I shudder to think what else this "expert" has told you, that you have believed & based your actions on....
But sure - go right ahead & get the "maximum number" of fish you can put into your tank without changing how you do things - and a couple weeks from now, we'll probably see you posting about some disease, or why did one of my fish die, or whatever....
If you want to do a super light stock, I would pick your favorite type of neon then do a school of tenI wanted to know the limit so I can stay WAY under the limit.
I don't plan on getting more fish until these get re-home or pass on. But it's good to have a plan in mind.
I think the true neons would be best pick. and poor fish was he in a torture chamber?Sure thing, take a look at this to get an idea of what you want: I personally like black neons the most. Also I have no idea why they used a picture of such a deformed fish for the longfin tetra (2nd one) they should not look that bent at all. This is the most curve you should accept in them IMO : If its back or tail is more bent than that picture, walk away.
Hahaha I know lol the pass on part was for the tiger barbs loo.it would be funny to show your friends (I have no friends) a 130 gallon tank with a 16 inch pleco and see the startled look on there face hehahe. But 15 years? So I would be umm 29 by the time he "passes on lol" but I will re-home him as quick as possible.Pass on? You do realize a common pleco can live 10-15 years in captivity when given proper care? Even more than that in the wild.
So...if you don't rehome him....you're not getting any more fish until a few years after you are out of college. And you haven't even hit high school yet.
Just giving you a little perspective.
yeah I think I'll re-home the tigers and the pleco. I'll probably have a community tank but with different kind of tetras. I agree with what your saying about how I should just re-home I'm not equipped or experienced enough to keep him.Personally I don't like tiger barbs in anything smaller than like a 55g, they are just nippy little things and the extra space is extremely helpful. So here's what I'd do in the mean time, assuming you're keeping both tanks running.
10g - Leave the neons in here for now. Get a school of about 6. Its a little cramped in terms of space but I think they'll be better off away from the tiger barbs
29g - 8-10 tiger barbs then maybe a school of danios (NOT LONGFIN) and maybe a platy or 2. The bigger the group of tigers the less aggressive they generally are. Neons are just a super docile fish that I personally wouldn't put them with the tigers long term especially since they'd be competing for the same tank space.
I'd rehome the pleco to the LFS, you could always consider one of the varieties that stay smaller down the road but for now I'd stay without any algae eaters I think cories wouldn't be a good choice for the tiger barbs, they may be okay in a bigger tank but I tigers can just be so temperamental in smaller tanks I don't think it is worth the risk.
If you only plan on 1 tank it may be a good idea to reconsider the fish you have. Maybe up the school of neons and trade in the tiger barbs for cherry barbs or something much more peaceful.
But 15 years? So I would be umm 29 by the time he "passes on lol" but I will re-home him as quick as possible.
the good thing is that all the local (30 mins away from everything both ways) Walmarts aren't selling fish anymore and instead put more fish care products so no more sick fish for me and no more abused fish from Walmart. Up oh the barbs are sparing each other lol. I agree with all you said in this quote.yes, as long as the pleco is being cared for properly, it absolutely can live that long. Which is my point exactly. If you want to enjoy a fish tank as a teenager at home, you need to rehome that pleco. Otherwise you are stuck with him until you are married with children in your own home!! haha (assuming you actually give him proper care)
It shouldn't be that hard to rehome him. You should immediately contact a local fish store or pet store that carries fish. (not a chain like petsmart or petco) and see if they can take him for you. Many will. You can also list him for "free to a good home" on craigslist and he might be swooped up right away. Or local facebook fish groups. I see it all the time. Common plecos needing rehoming. And more often than not, they are swooped up quick. People with huge tanks don't want to buy a tiny common pleco at the store. So they need to find bigger ones from people like you who should have never gotten one in the first place. haha
Get moving girl! The sooner you do, the sooner you can start really enjoying your new 29 gallon tank. (and the sooner you get me off your back hahaha)
Ok! Last time I didn't get safe start that put bacteria in to cycle my tank aaaaaannnd......"NEW POST: why are my fish dying and why is it clouding!?? New message from future you: the cloudyness is from bacteria blooming and your fish are dying because of the ammonia spikes during the cycle which is like poison to them. New message from dumb past me: That doesn't fix my problem....." YEP.I agree with e_watson09...wouldn't mix Tiger Barbs with gentle Neons. You need to take the time to research the compatibility of your fish for temperament, temperature, and general environment if you want them to survive and give you enjoyment! Neons are sensitive, make sure your new tank is truly cycled ok?
Sometimes the barbs and the neons school together lolView attachment 568677
Sometimes the barbs and the neons school together lolView attachment 568677
Don't fanaticise what you think I have done to that pleco, a few days after he gave that "advice" I double checked on the internet of how much a pleco should have and started feeding him like I am now.
Why ? Those are three different species.You could do a mix of normal, green, and black neons.
True, I was typing faster than I was thinking. I did change that and tell OP to just pick their favorite type of neon and stick to that one.Why ? Those are three different species.
Decent school of one is better by far.
Yeah, yesterday I got safe start and got this called cleaning bacteria for my tank. Also I just re-homed Mr pleco today congrats to me. Still working on re-homing the barbs though.You told us yourself on another thread just 4 or 5 days or so ago, how very poorly you were feeding your pleco while he was still in your 10-gallon tank, before you put him in your new tank over the weekend. No "fanaticising" here on that account, my statements were solely based on what you told us just a few days ago.
So be it-- that being said - if you have started feeding him appropriately since you put him in the 29-gal tank, that's great! It does bring on some new issues though - you will need to be monitoring your water parameters very carefully right now, check your levels frequently, as you are very likely to be getting heavy ammonia spikes if the pleco is getting the right amount of food now. Your old filter is small for the tank to begin with, and the bacteria in your filter is not going to be able to handle your current level of ammonia, you're getting a huge increase in ammonia in your water over the way it was previously in your 10-gallon tank & it's going to take a while for the bacteria to catch up.
So, you're going to need to keep a very close eye on your water & do frequent semi-heavy water changes & vacuum well every time to help reduce waste that will break down & cause more ammonia, until the bacteria can finally catch up (or until you rehome the pleco) Ammonia can kill your fish, so it's something to take seriously & something to be doing right away, not several days from now. Adding Prime to your water can help detox some ammonia (up to 1ppm I think it is), but it won't be enough to handle the amount of ammonia you're getting right now (if you are feeding the pleco the correct amount of food) Check your water at least every other day if not daily, change out a good percentage every other day, if not daily, to keep the ammonia in check & vacuum with every water change. Adding another filter would be helpful too - though it would still take some bit of time until you have enough bacteria to process the new surge of ammonia you're getting now. You're pretty much kinda going through cycling your tank all over again -- only this time, your fish are living in it & due to the 7" pleco, you've got a very heavy bioload for that size tank, so you need to be extra diligent with your maintenance routine right now, so that your fish aren't injured or even killed while the cycle builds up to handle the new load.
While all this is going on, get on the ball & go ahead & take action to find a new home for the pleco - if you'd put ads out and/or talked to places when you initially said you were going to rehome him, he'd probably already be gone now. Not getting onto you, just saying... go ahead & *do* it, rather than just talking about it. I know it's not easy - so get it over with & get it behind you & then you can relax and move forward & try to not make the same mistakes in the future. Once the pleco has gone to another home, you could probably benefit from one last heavy-ish water change & check your parameters once again to make sure all is OK, then you can slow back down to "normal pace" on the water changes & vacuums once it's only your barbs in the tank, until you find new homes for them, if you're wanting to rehome them as well.
Your idea with the neons sounds nice. Give some thought to deciding on your new fish, even neons or barbs have respectable lifespans, if cared for properly, so your new fish could be with you for 3-5 years if given good care - think it over well & get what you really truly want the very most, and that you won't tire of them & want something different 6 months from now.
Yeah, yesterday I got safe start and got this called cleaning bacteria for my tank. Also I just re-homed Mr pleco today congrats to me. Still working on re-homing the barbs though.