Help! white spot/patch? on back of black kuhli loach

Vivo
  • #1
I just found a white spot or patch on the back of my black kuhli loach right above his/her tail. Could this be ick or columnaris. I can't get a pic. I have a 33 gal. with harlequin rasbora's, neons and a betta. I have no idea how to treat it as I'm 2 months into the hobby. My tank is fully cycled and pH is 6.6. I have Seachem Paraguard. Some say it would be safe at 1/2 dose. I could do 50% water changes daily for 2 weeks, but that wld be labor intensive and I've got a bad back. . I can't use the python with my kitchen sink. Help!

Tank

What is the water volume of the tank? 33 gal
How long has the tank been running? 2 months
Does it have a filter? Fluval HOB and new 10 gal. sponge
Does it have a heater? yes
What is the water temperature? 78 degrees
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 9 harlequin rasboras, 7 neons, 2 black kuhli loaches, one female betta

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? once a week
How much of the water do you change? 25%
What do you use to treat your water? Seachem Prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Yes, not a deep cleaning yet.

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Yes
What do you use to test the water? API master test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

Ammonia: 0.5 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate:10-20 ppm; can't tell
pH: 6.6

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? twice a day + 2 bottom feeder pellets every other day
How much do you feed your fish? They finish in about 2-3 minutes
What brand of food do you feed your fish? variety from tetra flakes, bug bite flakes, Hikari vibra bites, Hikari Micro bites, frozen blood worms, attempted frozen Mysis shrimp yesterday (too big for fish)
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? yes about every 2-3 days

Illness & Symptoms Just noticed today a small whit spot/patch on the back right above the tail
How long have you had this fish? 2 months, neighbor's fish and had him/her 3 years
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? today, but I don't see them often
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? see above
Have you started any treatment for the illness? no
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? no
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? can't tell.

Explain your emergency situation in detail. (Please give a clear explanation of what is going on, include details from the beginning of the illness leading up to now) I am 55 with back issues. a 50% water change daily for two weeks and then every other day for 2 weeks is impossible for me as I can't use a python with the type of sink I have (can you use it with an out door hose spout?). I have Seachem paraguard and have read it is safe at 1/2 does. Don't know if it's ick or maybe columnaris do the the saddle nature of the patch. Don't know what to do. I don't think I can catch the loach. I had up the tempt to 80 degrees and my neons began fighting ferociously. .
 

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FishBoy101
  • #2
Tank

What is the water volume of the tank? 33 gal
How long has the tank been running? 2 months
Does it have a filter? Fluval HOB and new 10 gal. sponge
Does it have a heater? yes
What is the water temperature? 78 degrees
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 9 harlequin rasboras, 7 neons, 2 black kuhli loaches, one female betta

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? once a week
How much of the water do you change? 25%
What do you use to treat your water? Seachem Prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Yes, not a deep cleaning yet.

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Yes
What do you use to test the water? API master test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

Ammonia: 0.5 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate:10-20 ppm; can't tell
pH: 6.6

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? twice a day + 2 bottom feeder pellets every other day
How much do you feed your fish? They finish in about 2-3 minutes
What brand of food do you feed your fish? variety from tetra flakes, bug bite flakes, Hikari vibra bites, Hikari Micro bites, frozen blood worms, attempted frozen Mysis shrimp yesterday (too big for fish)
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? yes about every 2-3 days

Illness & Symptoms Just noticed today a small whit spot/patch on the back right above the tail
How long have you had this fish? 2 months, neighbor's fish and had him/her 3 years
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? today, but I don't see them often
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? see above
Have you started any treatment for the illness? no
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? no
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? can't tell.

Explain your emergency situation in detail. (Please give a clear explanation of what is going on, include details from the beginning of the illness leading up to now) I am 55 with back issues. a 50% water change daily for two weeks and then every other day for 2 weeks is impossible for me as I can't use a python with the type of sink I have (can you use it with an out door hose spout?). I have Seachem paraguard and have read it is safe at 1/2 does. Don't know if it's ick or maybe columnaris do the the saddle nature of the patch. Don't know what to do. I don't think I can catch the loach. I had up the tempt to 80 degrees and my neons began fighting ferociously. .
Images?
 
Vivo
  • Thread Starter
  • #3
I can’t get one? I will keep an eye out for a photo op though. 33 gal tall hex which is deep so I can’t manipulate thing to get a pic. They just disappear.
 
AJSFishKeeper
  • #4
If you’re certain that it’s ick you can try the temperature method. Increase temperature to 30°C/86°F. This temperature should be maintained for 10 days, and then slowly returned to normal. Some fish can tolerate higher temperatures. If your fish are more heat tolerant, try increasing the temperature to 32°C/89.5°F for the first 3-4 days to kill the Ich.
Raising the temperature of your aquarium can definitely aid in curing Ich. Raising the temperature alone can sometimes fail to completely remove Ich from your aquarium. Fish should be kept in quarantine for some time until you are certain the Ich has been removed.
 
Vivo
  • Thread Starter
  • #5
If you’re certain that it’s ick you can try the temperature method. Increase temperature to 30°C/86°F. This temperature should be maintained for 10 days, and then slowly returned to normal. Some fish can tolerate higher temperatures. If your fish are more heat tolerant, try increasing the temperature to 32°C/89.5°F for the first 3-4 days to kill the Ich.
Raising the temperature of your aquarium can definitely aid in curing Ich. Raising the temperature alone can sometimes fail to completely remove Ich from your aquarium. Fish should be kept in quarantine for some time until you are certain the Ich has been removed.
Not sure if it is ich. Don't know what it is. Research has led me to believe ich would be in more than one spot. Also, I don't think I can catch my loach to quarantine him. On top of than, I've read they are very sensitive to transfers and change and it may stress him out. I also don't think my other fish can tolerate the heat. My neons fight aggressively at 80 degrees F. I guess I was hoping someone could give me some general cure that won't hurt them. I've read 50% water changes daily for 2 weeks is the way to go, but I'm worried about stressing everyone else out.
 

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