Help, red gills after treating velvet

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I woke up this morning and a lot of the fish in my tank had blood red gills. I have been treating for velvet for the past couple days with ich x, which can't be used with prime. I've been letting water sit in buckets with an air stone for the chlorine to evaporate. Do you think some could be getting through? I have some old API conditioner. Would that be safe to use? All my parameters are good
 

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It could be from the meds themselves, it could be from the parasites, too.

Do you have any way to measure chlorine/chloramines? Would clear that before adding anything.
 
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No, I don't

I've been treating for about five days now, but stepped up the time between treatments after seeing little to no progress
 

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Sorry, I looked up the ingredients and instructions. I have no other solution to your problem than changing the meds to something that either doesn't require daily dosing and waterchanges or can be used with a waterconditioner.
 
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Is there anything I can do now? And was that a no? API conditioner is not safe with ich x?
 

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I don't know actually. Neither API products nor Ich-X are sold here.

Logically the conditioner would only render the meds useless but nothing else would happen. If you are ok with not using the med anymore put in conditioner and do a waterchange as per usual to get eventual chlorides/chloramines out. That's all I can tell you.
 

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Velvet is more or less Ick on steroids and usually requires Copper Sulfate to eliminate it. Look at meds like Cupramine or Coppersafe.
 
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I have some scaleless fish in my tank and I'm not sure how that would affect them
 
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I've been treating ich x twice a day, I've kicked the heat up, and I've turned off the lights. Think that will work
 

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Copper Sulfate & scaleless fish aren't a good combination, but on the other hand, Velvet is a potential tank killer.
I'm not familiar with Ick X, but elevated heat & black out probably won't eliminate Velvet / Oodinium.
 
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So should I pick up some Cupramine and risk it? Would a half dose work?

I also should have a 55 up in the next few days. Would I be better of moving the scaleless fish there and doing water changes to to keep the ammonia down
 

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Are you totally sure you are dealing with Velvet?
Symptoms: gold or yellew tiny specks all over body & fins. Best seen under subdued lighting. Lethargic behavior. Later stages, actual flesh begins peeling off the fish.
Buying Cupramine is a judgement call on your part, but IMO, copper sulfate is the best med for curing Velvet.
 
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Pretty sure. Definitely gold dust. Clamped fins

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I've only had to deal with Velvet once. By the time I recognized the disease
many prized fish had died. Coppersafe quickly cured the disease.
Judging from the pic, it does look like Oodinium.
 
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I don't think I could get any coppersafe but could get cupramine. What should I do about the scaleless fish? Partial dose and work it up or full dose and hope for the best?

And how should I remove the old meds?
 

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A 50% WC should be enough to begin the Cupramine. I'd go with a full dose. Once treatment is complete, Cupramine is much easier to remove from the water column as compared to Coppersafe. Activated carbon quickly rids the tank of it.
 
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Okay. How will it affect my plants. If it kills them all it would suck but I'd still like to save my fish.
 

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I'm not sure what effect Cupramine will have on plants.
 
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Okay so pick up cupramine ASAP. Do a 50% water change. Dose cupramine and watch for signs of stress. Hope for the best. Is that what I should do. And I should keep the temp high and lights dimmed?
 

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