Help On Breeding Betta's?

- I Need Help On Breeding Betta's -
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I have kept Betta's for over 2 year's and grew up around many unique small pet's of choice, Right now I have 3 Male Crowntail's and 2 Female Crowntails that I have rescued from a abusive pet store.
● Goldie(Male)(Had For 10 M)
● Harley(Male)(Had For 3 M)
● Percy/Percious(Male)(Had For 4 M)
● Top Fin(Female)(Had For 2 M)
● Violet(Female)(Had for 5 M)

These 5 beauties are my current lovlies, to whom I am trying my hand at first time breeding a pair.

However, I did countless research for several months(Still Do) in hopes of finding a good way to approach this scenerio, but it's still not enough help for me go about doing this.

Since, these are pet store quality betta's, meaning genetics are fairly unknown by just the mere eye, they have tend to have a bad breeding reputation, often called the 'MUTS' of betta Splendins, while Breeder Quality Betta's are more of the 'SHOW' of betta splendins.

Almost like cat's and dog's.

Yet, there is a few notible breeder's who do happen to breed Store quality betta's and my personal opinion of them are just like any other betta out there.

Beautiful!

To get right down to business, I'll just begin with my question/Issue.

I have tried pairing My Orange betta(Goldie) with my female royal blue(Top Fin) and if you ask if I conditioned them, Yes I did.

I fed Frozen Blood worms to both of them as I normally do with the rest of my Betta's, they do of course have a varied diet.

● Pellets
● Worm Shaped pellets
● Frozen Bloodworms
● Dried Bloodworms
● Baby Dried shrimp(Crunch them up)

They are all healthy, no issues, I have a 10 gallon tank I am using to breed them in, it is a bare bottom, has a heater that stays right at 80°F, only has one plastic plant with no sharp edges, water level is mid height, No water movement and a clear 1/2 long gallon tank to place inside for the female to be separated from the male.

Top Fin(Only Female Ready to breed) is newer then my other Female Violet, but not younger.

Her size difference is bigger, she's full of eggs, her eggspot is swollen out, breeding bars very well seen, definitely older since Violet Is smaller, not full of eggs and shows interest in all 3 of my male's.

When she's in her own tank/Pond(Betta Female Pond in the making 53.2 Gallons) She had her normal blue color, no breeding bars visable until I place a male in front of her in the breeding tank, she will fallow him, flare at him, showing signs of emense interest in the male, but I do have some problems.

First up, was Goldie and he makes a perfect bubble nest as soon as I introduce them(Showed Interest), but when a few day's came(He just lingers under the nest) I took her on out to see what would happen, but of course he chased her around, nipping at her, flaring at her for over 3 hour's when I began to notice Fin damage(Nothing To major) which She did hide in the other dense plants I had placed in the tank(Sharp edges) to my mistake, I knew I already messed it up for them since the plant's did the majority of the damage(Soft Plant now).

After awhile, them both resting up, feeding more Bloodworms/Pellets, I tried to breed her with Harley, but he is shy, timid, flares up at her 6 times before completely ignoring her.

Then, currently, I am trying Percy, they both show emense interest in one another, been in the tank for 2 days now, but I only see a sliver of a bubble nest against the top of the plant.

1. Not sure if he's taking his time or does not have enough interest in breeding?

That's my first question.

2. I need more information from other breeder's? Opinions? That sort of thing.

3. Do I need anything else?

As for food for the fry, I will be able to obtain that soon.

I'm doing this not because I want to sell them, but because I think it's amazing to witness and each betta has qualities that I would like to achieve.

So please, help me out to the best of your abilities!

Thank you.

 

Hi, I’ve moved this to the Betta breeding forum for you.
Have a look at the stickied threads at the top of the board , Betta Breeding
lots of useful information there

 

Hi, I’ve moved this to the Betta breeding forum for you.
Have a look at the stickied threads at the top of the board , Betta Breeding
lots of useful information there

Thank you, that's very much helpful.

 

Hi! There's a lot of details here so forgive me if I miss something!
I know a lot of people recommend breeding a 10 gallon however I feel like they're too big and the fish loose each other so I recommend a 5.5 or a tub.
I don't put in any hiding places besides the heater and IAL.
I am still a beginner with breeding but I think that technique is the best, I have bettas spawning in less than 24hrs.
If a male doesn't seem interested try introducing a mirror, Ive used that trick before.
The male doesn't have to have a nest before putting the female in the tank.
Last night I threw a male and female in together right away and had eggs before dinner today, and this may sound crazy, but I don't get that many ripped fins.
Let me know if I'm missing anything or you wanna ask more questions, or even photos!
People say don't breed pet store bettas but for someone new wanting to learn it doesn't hurt too bad.
My motto is "breed the best to the best, and hope for the best" and sometimes your best comes from a pet store, doesn't make it a bad idea though.

 

Hi! There's a lot of details here so forgive me if I miss something!
I know a lot of people recommend breeding a 10 gallon however I feel like they're too big and the fish loose each other so I recommend a 5.5 or a tub.
I don't put in any hiding places besides the heater and IAL.
I am still a beginner with breeding but I think that technique is the best, I have bettas spawning in less than 24hrs.
If a male doesn't seem interested try introducing a mirror, Ive used that trick before.
The male doesn't have to have a nest before putting the female in the tank.
Last night I threw a male and female in together right away and had eggs before dinner today, and this may sound crazy, but I don't get that many ripped fins.
Let me know if I'm missing anything or you wanna ask more questions, or even photos!
People say don't breed pet store bettas but for someone new wanting to learn it doesn't hurt too bad.
My motto is "breed the best to the best, and hope for the best" and sometimes your best comes from a pet store, doesn't make it a bad idea though.

Your very right, I agree with you, and I'm going to try to get a tub for them, just in case, I would love to check out some of your photos, I love all betta's and respect them very much.

I do know now that 2 of my male's are interested in her as she is in them, but my 3rd male Harley, he's very shy and wants to hide behind the heater.

Thank you for your advice, This gives me new ideas to try out.

 

Sure thing!
Here's the tub that my pair spawned in this evening, super cheap, 1.99 at target



For Harley, I would put him in the container, let him get used to the tank for awhile, then show him a mirror. Depending on his reaction I would move into adding the female. I had the same problem with this guy who is in the picture taking care of his babies. I did it a little different however. I introduced him to the female with another male present instead of a mirror. THEN moved him into the breeding tub, let him chill out for a minute, and finally introduced the female. So I hyped him up thinking he has competition for the female and he can't just be a lazy bum.
Harley might just not be into it however.
Also, using a square piece of plastic really helps with the bubble nest. I feel like that works better than ever, I add the styrofoam cups just as a little extra protection from the condensation when I open the lids to check on them

Heres another tub spawning (I added the sponge filter later)
The male was more aggressive so they went in a slightly larger container



And here's a classic 5.5 glass aquarium



EDIT: Zeorafishley
whoops forgot to quote

 

Sure thing!
Here's the tub that my pair spawned in this evening, super cheap, 1.99 at target
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For Harley, I would put him in the container, let him get used to the tank for awhile, then show him a mirror. Depending on his reaction I would move into adding the female. I had the same problem with this guy who is in the picture taking care of his babies. I did it a little different however. I introduced him to the female with another male present instead of a mirror. THEN moved him into the breeding tub, let him chill out for a minute, and finally introduced the female. So I hyped him up thinking he has competition for the female and he can't just be a lazy bum.
Harley might just not be into it however.
Also, using a square piece of plastic really helps with the bubble nest. I feel like that works better than ever, I add the styrofoam cups just as a little extra protection from the condensation when I open the lids to check on them

Heres another tub spawning (I added the sponge filter later)
The male was more aggressive so they went in a slightly larger container
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And here's a classic 5.5 glass aquarium
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EDIT: Zeorafishley
whoops forgot to quote

Definitely a good setup I need to try, I always wondered if the half cup worked good, makes a lot more sense, and right now I'm trying Percy(He's making a bubble nest)




Inch by inch, against the plant, just checked in on them to see if he did make a bigger bubble nest, thankfully he is.




My setup.




If this does happen to fail with this pair as well, I'll definitely check out using a tub or 5.5 gallon tank.
I do have a 5 gallon tub, but currently in use for Goldie.




My camera is not best.




And this is Harley.







This 10 gallon is right next to the breeder, I Have cardboard blocking their view of one another.

Thanks again for the advice and your setup is very simple, steady, and the cup seems to be a working bubble nest placement, I've seen other's do the same thing.

I really need to try that.

 

Definitely a good setup I need to try, I always wondered if the half cup worked good, makes a lot more sense, and right now I'm trying Percy(He's making a bubble nest)

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Inch by inch, against the plant, just checked in on them to see if he did make a bigger bubble nest, thankfully he is.

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My setup.

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If this does happen to fail with this pair as well, I'll definitely check out using a tub or 5.5 gallon tank.
I do have a 5 gallon tub, but currently in use for Goldie.

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My camera is not best.

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And this is Harley.

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This 10 gallon is right next to the breeder, I Have cardboard blocking their view of one another.

Thanks again for the advice and your setup is very simple, steady, and the cup seems to be a working bubble nest placement, I've seen other's do the same thing.

I really need to try that.

Very simple I like too. I could see them having a hard time with that plant but it could still work. Maybe add a sheet of clear plastic over the nest to hold it together better?
I think if you bought some IAL that'll give you the extra edge you'd need. I paid around $13 for 40 leaves on amazon, I think they're cheaper on ebay though for small amounts like that.
If it were me, Id put the female (Top Fin right?) in there if they're both interested. If you want to, Id put in one more smaller plant off to the left as a small hiding place. Supposedly, the females give off hormones that induce the male more or something?? I don't remember.

I really like Harley and his tank. You gotta let me know if you ever get him to breed! He almost has a full mask going on awww

 

Very simple I like too. I could see them having a hard time with that plant but it could still work. Maybe add a sheet of clear plastic over the nest to hold it together better?
I think if you bought some IAL that'll give you the extra edge you'd need. I paid around $13 for 40 leaves on amazon, I think they're cheaper on ebay though for small amounts like that.
If it were me, Id put the female (Top Fin right?) in there if they're both interested. If you want to, Id put in one more smaller plant off to the left as a small hiding place. Supposedly, the females give off hormones that induce the male more or something?? I don't remember.

I really like Harley and his tank. You gotta let me know if you ever get him to breed! He almost has a full mask going on awww

I'll definitely let you know and thankyou for the help, I really appreciate it, I'll definitely try your tips out, I know bubble wrap is often used along with the cups, I do see a constant attraction with any surface that can help keep the nest in place rather then just a completely bare tank, definitely going to add in another plant like you said, I feel that she would be definitely way to close to the nest if she chose to hide there.

Harley does have a mask going on, he also has the longest fins out of my male's.

 

I’m not good with any breeding, in any fish.
Although I couldn’t even get a livebearer to give me babies...

 

I’m not good with any breeding, in any fish.
Although I couldn’t even get a livebearer to give me babies...

I've had platies and one pregnant swordtail, but she never gave birth nor did the platies breed.

 

Zeorafishley
Did you happen to get them to breed?

 

Zeorafishley
Did you happen to get them to breed?

I am going to try tonight, Percy has his nest very frothy, but for some reason Top Fin has less barring, but still shows her interest in him, almost as if she's very comfortable with him to the point she may not breed.

Hope everything goes okay.

 

Zeorafishley
Did you happen to get them to breed?

So far I've had them both in for a hour, she's not in submission, but she is calm, no sign of stress, her breeding bars are visable again, no sign of ripped fins, and Percy has a frothy nest made, he comes over to her every so often to follow her around, flares at her, doesn't nip at her, the whole situation is very calm, now It just seems it's just the waiting game.

Alot different from how Goldie treated her, he was reckless and Percy seems to have patience, I have noticed if he were to get close to her, she would flare up at him a bit as if saying " Not completely ready yet. " before swimming on her own little adventure.

 

So far I've had them both in for a hour, she's not in submission, but she is calm, no sign of stress, her breeding bars are visable again, no sign of ripped fins, and Percy has a frothy nest made, he comes over to her every so often to follow her around, flares at her, doesn't nip at her, the whole situation is very calm, now It just seems it's just the waiting game.

Alot different from how Goldie treated her, he was reckless and Percy seems to have patience, I have noticed if he were to get close to her, she would flare up at him a bit as if saying " Not completely ready yet. " before swimming on her own little adventure.

How long have they been in the breeding tank all together before releasing her? She was probably getting bored not being able to get to Percy and that's why the stripes went down a bit. Is she wiggling her body back at him? Kinda like dancing. Give them up to three days (some people do five) if they don't breed. Good luck! Give us updates!!

 

How long have they been in the breeding tank all together before releasing her? She was probably getting bored not being able to get to Percy and that's why the stripes went down a bit. Is she wiggling her body back at him? Kinda like dancing. Give them up to three days (some people do five) if they don't breed. Good luck! Give us updates!!

That's what I figured as well, that she was getting bored with him when I saw that they were fading and I've had them in for about 5 day's now.

Right now, for a few hours worth of keeping tabs on them, she doesn't wiggle her body, but she does flare up from time to time Still, she also let's him follow before stopping at a sudden halt letting all of her fins extend out as if displaying something to him before going about her usual business.

I have seen her go to the nest a few times, but only briefly(No destroying) and then continue with swimming(As if she's searching around).

She also prefers the left side of the tank which has some floating plants I placed for them rather then the right side of the tank where the nest is.

No one is nipping(still no damage), she let's him follow her from time to time, He adds more bubbles to the nest and hovers under it being patient.

So it's still very calm.

He flares at her, shows off his fins, just waiting for her to give the go ahead and she flares Every so often, contenues exploring, aproaches him from time to time, Displays all of her fins, breeding bars more visable, definitely no sign of stress.

And I will post updates, so far everything is looking good, definitely might take a few day's before she's ready, plus I know now that Percy is okay with a female being in the breeding tank with him without having to have them separated.

 

That's what I figured as well, that she was getting bored with him when I saw that they were fading and I've had them in for about 5 day's now.

Right now, for a few hours worth of keeping tabs on them, she doesn't wiggle her body, but she does flare up from time to time Still, she also let's him follow before stopping at a sudden halt letting all of her fins extend out as if displaying something to him before going about her usual business.

I have seen her go to the nest a few times, but only briefly(No destroying) and then continue with swimming(As if she's searching around).

She also prefers the left side of the tank which has some floating plants I placed for them rather then the right side of the tank where the nest is.

No one is nipping(still no damage), she let's him follow her from time to time, He adds more bubbles to the nest and hovers under it being patient.

So it's still very calm.

He flares at her, shows off his fins, just waiting for her to give the go ahead and she flares Every so often, contenues exploring, aproaches him from time to time, Displays all of her fins, breeding bars more visable, definitely no sign of stress.

And I will post updates, so far everything is looking good, definitely might take a few day's before she's ready, plus I know now that Percy is okay with a female being in the breeding tank with him without having to have them separated.

That's awesome! Getting there!
Wiggling is a very good sign if she does it, I just think it's cute and a good indicator on how they feel.
Does she keep her head down, kind of like a driving position, when he comes near? When she does that it's a good sign it's getting close.
Five days is a stretch but do able.
When my females are doing the business they stick to one side exploring or chilling, every once in awhile the male or female will come over to the other, they'll dance, and then they'll go back to doing what they were doing. Eventually the female will be satisfied with the nest.

 

That's awesome! Getting there!
Wiggling is a very good sign if she does it, I just think it's cute and a good indicator on how they feel.
Does she keep her head down, kind of like a driving position, when he comes near? When she does that it's a good sign it's getting close.
Five days is a stretch but do able.
When my females are doing the business they stick to one side exploring or chilling, every once in awhile the male or female will come over to the other, they'll dance, and then they'll go back to doing what they were doing. Eventually the female will be satisfied with the nest.

She doesn't put her head down, but just a few mins ago I saw her wiggle and a little before that she came over to him at the nest(Must have did something wrong) because he nipped at her for the first time and freaked her out for a bit, but now it's back to being calm, though she is showing more interest in coming to the nest now, but Percy must not be completely satisfied just yet, I'm Sure it will definitely take a few day's, I'll let you know what happens when I can.

It's really cute when they do circles around the floating plants as if playing hide n seek.

To me sometimes, it feels like she's taunting him a bit.

 

How did I miss this?

It’s always taken me a bit of time before my males have ever been completely satisfied to the point where he didn’t nip. It’s always been a 3 day thing for me with all of my breedings, so I wouldn’t worry about the nips.

 

How did I miss this?

It’s always taken me a bit of time before my males have ever been completely satisfied to the point where he didn’t nip. It’s always been a 3 day thing for me with all of my breedings, so I wouldn’t worry about the nips.

Definitely going to take awhile and I'm not to worried either, no damage has been done yet, my female Top Fin is being a little picky on him, every so often she would nudge at his side then swim away as if she never did anything at all.

Here's the nest this morning.




At first, it was super small, but now over time it's all frothy, he's still even applying more, Very sturdy as well which Is good.

 

Quite a nice start. I missed the picture of her, but I did see the male. He’s quite a handsome guy

 

Quite a nice start. I missed the picture of her, but I did see the male. He’s quite a handsome guy

Thank you! His name is Percy/Percious, a red crowntail and my female is Top Fin, Royal Blue Crowntail, both have been introduced for about 5 day's separated in the same tank and about 10 to 11 hours together so far.

It's a little hard to get a good picture of them on camera, has to be perfect lighting.

 

They bred, but they ate the eggs from what I could tell.
He would embrace(Both go into a catatonic state) sometimes he would recover enough to get the eggs, but he stays down to long searching and only goes up for air before wrapping around her again.

 

Even if he eats the eggs I would let them finish you may of caught them in the beginning where they're learning (; when he goes back up for air he might just be spitting them out and you're missing it. I have a hard time telling if my boys are spitting them back out because I like to keep the nest in the back corner.

 

Even if he eats the eggs I would let them finish you may of caught them in the beginning where they're learning (; when he goes back up for air he might just be spitting them out and you're missing it. I have a hard time telling if my boys are spitting them back out because I like to keep the nest in the back corner.

I'm hoping that's the case, he had chased her away even though she was still eggy, but otherwise So far in the 1st 24 hour'S, He stays under the nest unless I come close and he sees me.

I see no eggs falling out either and with his nest being as frothy as it is, I can't spot any in the nest, but At least next time I know what's better on doing.

I got a clear plastic lid that I'm going to tape to the tank and let them build a nest on that rather then a plant again where I can't see very well.

He did also have a hard time embracing her for the 3 hour's they were spawning.

 

Well, breeding pet store bettas isn’t a good idea because of the fact they’re genetics aren’t the best. That makes them hard to get rid of as well as less likely to survive after hatching. Also, I would say all of yours are past optimal breeding age. When that happens, it makes breeding them successfully hard as the wraps get to be weaker leaving less and less of the eggs actually fertilized.

 

Well, breeding pet store bettas isn’t a good idea because of the fact they’re genetics aren’t the best. That makes them hard to get rid of as well as less likely to survive after hatching. Also, I would say all of yours are past optimal breeding age. When that happens, it makes breeding them successfully hard as the wraps get to be weaker leaving less and less of the eggs actually fertilized.

The male I used, when I had gotten him, was smaller then what he is now, so he's not very young, but definitely under a year old, I have a betta that is over a year old and the difference is quite easy to see

 

The male I used, when I had gotten him, was smaller then what he is now, so he's not very young, but definitely under a year old, I have a betta that is over a year old and the difference is quite easy to see

It’s not always that easy to tell. Under a year old doesn’t qualify as optimal. Optimal is 6-8 months. The bettas are usually 4-6 months of age or older when purchased from a pet store with Petco baby bettas being 3 months on average.

 

It’s not always that easy to tell. Under a year old doesn’t qualify as optimal. Optimal is 6-8 months. The bettas are usually 4-6 months of age or older when purchased from a pet store with Petco baby bettas being 3 months on average.

I've had several betta'S growing up with a family that owned a privately owned pet store and my uncles friend bred them to sell them at local chain pet stores, so sometimes you can get a breeder quality betta, not to mention I always check the health before I buy, The only thing I never tried was breeding and although that is the perfect breeding age, some people have a different age preference.

It really just depends on the person, breeding and caring has changed over the year's.

Even though genetics are unknown, they still can be bred depending on the pair and how good you take care of them.

I have took over 2 year's ago on keeping betta's, but my family cared for them as well as many other fish since I was born, and for me I could always tell the age by just the feeling and observations.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell, but not always.

 

I've had several betta'S growing up with a family that owned a privately owned pet store and my uncles friend bred them to sell them at local chain pet stores, so sometimes you can get a breeder quality betta, not to mention I always check the health before I buy, The only thing I never tried was breeding and although that is the perfect breeding age, some people have a different age preference.

It really just depends on the person, breeding and caring has changed over the year's.

Even though genetics are unknown, they still can be bred depending on the pair and how good you take care of them.

I have took over 2 year's ago on keeping betta's, but my family cared for them as well as many other fish since I was born, and for me I could always tell the age by just the feeling and observations.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell, but not always.

I’ve bred them for years now. After a bit, they need to be retired.

 

I’ve bred them for years now. After a bit, they need to be retired.

That's definitely agreed, trust me If I had enough money I would definitely get breeder quality, but pet stores are my only options right now and just starting out, it's not all to bad.

Just have to look very closely before I choose a pair, observe behavior, look at notible traits and one that just says
" Take me with you. ".

 

That's definitely agreed, trust me If I had enough money I would definitely get breeder quality, but pet stores are my only options right now and just starting out, it's not all to bad.

Once they hit 10-12 months, they’re definitely done for with breeding. Sometimes you can get cheaper bettas from breeders depending. I would recommend checking out IBC auctions as well.

 

Once they hit 10-12 months, they’re definitely done for with breeding. Sometimes you can get cheaper bettas from breeders depending. I would recommend checking out IBC auctions as well.

Definitely going to look into more on that.

 

I've heard males are good for breeding up to 12 months and females can last months longer than that. Plakets can generally breed longer than long fins. It really depends on the fish and no set age range.
I watch a few "top Breeders" on YouTube who get and sometimes breed pet store bettas so ‍♀️
You gotta start somewhere and most of the time your first spawn won't have a ton survive anyways. If You end up with extra "low quality" fish you can give away to family or sell cheap on Craigslist (assuming there is no pet stores that will take them). I have two local fish Clubs in my area that have 2 auctions a year each that I plan on selling some babies in bundles there
I know you weren't asking but I was just adding on to Katie and my thoughts
When people think of petstores they think of awful quality petco and petsmart fish. I have this LFS that I bought the most beautiful fish at. More beautiful than any others I've seen online or any ThaI imports. They had to have come from quality stock from a local breeder at the prices I bought them at. I knew as much about them as any other pet store betta but that never made them bad candidates to breed

 

I've heard males are good for breeding up to 12 months and females can last months longer than that. Plakets can generally breed longer than long fins. It really depends on the fish and no set age range.
I watch a few "top Breeders" on YouTube who get and sometimes breed pet store bettas so ‍♀️
You gotta start somewhere and most of the time your first spawn won't have a ton survive anyways. If You end up with extra "low quality" fish you can give away to family or sell cheap on Craigslist (assuming there is no pet stores that will take them). I have two local fish Clubs in my area that have 2 auctions a year each that I plan on selling some babies in bundles there
I know you weren't asking but I was just adding on to Katie and my thoughts
When people think of petstores they think of awful quality petco and petsmart fish. I have this LFS that I bought the most beautiful fish at. More beautiful than any others I've seen online or any ThaI imports. They had to have come from quality stock from a local breeder at the prices I bought them at. I knew as much about them as any other pet store betta but that never made them bad candidates to breed

You and me think a lot a like and the only youtuber that I can think of when it comes to pet store betta's is 'Creative Pet Keeping' I love her channel so much, she's one of the reasons I got so interested in breeding betta's.

I do agree with both sides of quality and sometimes unkown genetics make it really interesting.

I tend to rescue my betta's, they pick me out before I pick them.

 

You and me think a lot a like and the only youtuber that I can think of when it comes to pet store betta's is 'Creative Pet Keeping' I love her channel so much, she's one of the reasons I got so interested in breeding betta's.

I do agree with both sides of quality and sometimes unkown genetics make it really interesting.

I tend to rescue my betta's, they pick me out before I pick them.

Sorry for slow replies I'm siiiiick eww

Ah yes her koi babies are the cutest! Her videos are very helpful! I enjoy Moon River Bettas a lot and another one I can't think of their name right now.
I feel like unless you actually see the parents of the fish all fish genetics are unknown. I got some koi ThaI imports and I really don't know their genetics any better than a petco koi so I really find that excuse people try to push on newbies kinda dumb tbh.

My little set up right now is just a fun hobby to cope with the passing of my dog and I don't expect to make a living off of it

I used to have a huge sorority of over a dozen girls (which actually isn't that huge but at the time it was) and I wanted to have that again but with girls I've breed and that's the main reason why I wanted to breed again.

Also, did any of the eggs actually end up surviving or did he actually eat them all?

 

Sorry for slow replies I'm siiiiick eww

Ah yes her koi babies are the cutest! Her videos are very helpful! I enjoy Moon River Bettas a lot and another one I can't think of their name right now.
I feel like unless you actually see the parents of the fish all fish genetics are unknown. I got some koi ThaI imports and I really don't know their genetics any better than a petco koi so I really find that excuse people try to push on newbies kinda dumb tbh.

My little set up right now is just a fun hobby to cope with the passing of my dog and I don't expect to make a living off of it

I used to have a huge sorority of over a dozen girls (which actually isn't that huge but at the time it was) and I wanted to have that again but with girls I've breed and that's the main reason why I wanted to breed again.

Also, did any of the eggs actually end up surviving or did he actually eat them all?

Hope you feel better.

And Awww, I understand what that feels like loosing someone important to you, it's a very icky feeling that takes a lot of time, I'm also doing this to pass time, just a little fun experiencing hobby.

Oh, and They ate all the eggs, So I've been letting them rest up, Top Fin is still full of eggs, breeding bars are all back, for next time I'm going to try pairing her up with Harley.

I agree with you on genetics as well, especially if you think about it, All betta's originally come from Wild Betta's, The Domestic's are just mutated with tons of breeding to get different tail types, So to me honesty, All betta's have unkown genetics and the only way to see that is actually breeding the pair.

I also watch ' Moon River Bettas ' I watch
' Lifewithpets' too and a few more.

 

Hope you feel better.

And Awww, I understand what that feels like loosing someone important to you, it's a very icky feeling that takes a lot of time, I'm also doing this to pass time, just a little fun experiencing hobby.

Oh, and They ate all the eggs, So I've been letting them rest up, Top Fin is still full of eggs, breeding bars are all back, for next time I'm going to try pairing her up with Harley.

I agree with you on genetics as well, especially if you think about it, All betta's originally come from Wild Betta's, The Domestic's are just mutated with tons of breeding to get different tail types, So to me honesty, All betta's have unkown genetics and the only way to see that is actually breeding the pair.

I also watch ' Moon River Bettas ' I watch
' Lifewithpets' too and a few more.

Yea it hurts. I knew that dog basically my whole life and I miss him. To make things worse my one rabbit passed away a couple weeks last (it's actually been exactly a month now) and I'm just trying to get by and occupy myself with my fish.

Aw man that sucks. I haven't gotten an egg eater yet but he could just be inexperienced or felt threatened when he wanted to eat the eggs. Or ofc he's just an egg eater /shrugs/
Let us know when you try again!

Yea unless you buy the pair as siblings whatever two fish you put together will have unknown genetics for their fry. So if you don't have siblings the whole "only buy from a breeder because of genetics" rule is thrown out the window for me. I'd prefer to buy from Breeders to support them and the fish community but some people don't have access to Breeders so I don't think anyone should look down or be rude about pet store breeding.

Lifewithpets and I used to be mutuals on Instagram! We ended up breeding a pair of bettas on the same day and for some reason they unfollowed me for it I believe. Kinda makes me feel like they think they're a hot shot for breeding their bettas once but I'll hold my judgment.
The breeder I can't think of has blond hair, a unique voice, and her betta room is in a bathroom.

 

Yea it hurts. I knew that dog basically my whole life and I miss him. To make things worse my one rabbit passed away a couple weeks last (it's actually been exactly a month now) and I'm just trying to get by and occupy myself with my fish.

Aw man that sucks. I haven't gotten an egg eater yet but he could just be inexperienced or felt threatened when he wanted to eat the eggs. Or ofc he's just an egg eater /shrugs/
Let us know when you try again!

Yea unless you buy the pair as siblings whatever two fish you put together will have unknown genetics for their fry. So if you don't have siblings the whole "only buy from a breeder because of genetics" rule is thrown out the window for me. I'd prefer to buy from Breeders to support them and the fish community but some people don't have access to Breeders so I don't think anyone should look down or be rude about pet store breeding.

Lifewithpets and I used to be mutuals on Instagram! We ended up breeding a pair of bettas on the same day and for some reason they unfollowed me for it I believe. Kinda makes me feel like they think they're a hot shot for breeding their bettas once but I'll hold my judgment.
The breeder I can't think of has blond hair, a unique voice, and her betta room is in a bathroom.

Are you talking about Karen?

Actually if you get fish from an established, well-reputed breeder, they can tell you the exact genetics of their line.

If you're serious about breeding bettas, join the IBC. There are some amazing people there with some amazing fish, many of which they will give away for free to people who want to get into breeding. If you want to produce a show quality line, (or just high quality fish) it's not likely to happen with petco bettas unfortunately. Not to mention most of the males at petstores are over a year old and are there because they are too old to be useful in the ThaI breeders' programs

 

Are you talking about Karen?

Actually if you get fish from an established, well-reputed breeder, they can tell you the exact genetics of their line.

If you're serious about breeding bettas, join the IBC. There are some amazing people there with some amazing fish, many of which they will give away for free to people who want to get into breeding. If you want to produce a show quality line, (or just high quality fish) it's not likely to happen with petco bettas unfortunately. Not to mention most of the males at petstores are over a year old and are there because they are too old to be useful in the ThaI breeders' programs

Yea no I honestly can't remember her name.

I believe a lot can tell you about their genetics but a lot of imports already in the US don't seem to have much info

I wanna join the IBC but it cost money to join right? My bank account isn't set up to make payments online sadly ): all I got is ATM cards for my account and I'm too lazy to change it until I get a new job
Never said to expect high quality from a pet store, I'm just saying a pet store fish doesn't make it bad to breed. I also don't believe most males are over a year old at the stores. It seems like a waste of money for a company to feed a fish that long for that small of a profit.
They are older than buying from a breeder and I'm sure some sit on shelves for a long time but they don't come to the store at already a year old

That's like my friend telling me the hamsters at the stores are already 8+ months old when they're just babies still.