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I'm not sure do they sell it online? I changed 3/4 of the water today and still same results. ammonia is 2.0 nitrite is 1.0,nitrate is 20,
I did notice some kind of film coating on top of the water, any ideas what that could be?but myremaining fish are doing fine they don't seem to be struggling,just lonely.
 

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they sell it online, but the overnight shipping hits hard.

Those are pretty high levels still.. you may need to treat your water with prime or amquel+.

the film could be a bacterial bloom. how much aeration is currently going in that tank?
 

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Stevo said:
I'm not sure do they sell it on line? I changed 3/4 of the water today and still same results. ammonia is 2.0 nitrite is 1.0,nitrate is 20,
I did notice some kind of film coating on top of the water, any ideas what that could be?but my remaining fish are doing fine they don't seem to be struggling,just lonely.
Hi Stevo, Sorry you are having problems. What type of filter system do you have? Do you vacuum your gravel? If so, how often? Your water parameters are still close to lethal. If it were me, I would change 50%, then 50% again right away (one right after the other), then do it again the next day. Test your water, and continue 50% changes every day till your cycle has finished. As you do those changes vacuum the gravel 1/2 one day 1/2 the other, then vacuum AT LEAST once a week.

You may be over feeding, which will contribute to those high levels. With the fish you currently have you should only be feeding a pinch of flakes, if they eat it all within a minute, feed them one pinch again in evening.

Land of the Midnight Sun 8)
 

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Test your actual water supply, not the water in your tank. Let me know the results
 
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bbfeckawitts said:
Test your actual water supply, not the water in your tank. Let me know the results
THe Actual water supply came up normal on the ammonia level.
 
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Stevo said:
I'm not sure do they sell it on line? I changed 3/4 of the water today and still same results. ammonia is 2.0 nitrite is 1.0,nitrate is 20,
I did notice some kind of film coating on top of the water, any ideas what that could be?but my remaining fish are doing fine they don't seem to be struggling,just lonely.
  Hi Stevo,  Sorry you are having problems.   What type of filter system do you have?   Do you vacuum your gravel?   If so, how often?    Your water parameters are still close to lethal.       If it were me, I would change 50%, then 50% again right away (one right after the other), then do it again the next day.   Test your water, and continue 50% changes every day till your cycle has finished.  As you do those changes vacuum the gravel 1/2 one day 1/2 the other, then vacuum AT LEAST once a week.   

  You may be over feeding, which will contribute to those high levels.   With the fish you currently have you should only be feeding a pinch of flakes, if they eat it all within a minute, feed them one pinch again in evening.   

Land of the Midnight Sun 8)
zok i'll try that method tonight but should i treat the water after i make all mof those changes?i do vaccum the gravel pretty thoroughly mostly every time i water change. my power filter is whisper i believe it handles 40-50gal tanks,Should i get rid of the gravel maybe there's too much gravel?
 
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FLBettaCouple said:
they sell it online, but the overnight shipping hits hard.

Those are pretty high levels still.. you may need to treat your water with prime or amquel+.

the film could be a bacterial bloom.  how much aeration is currently going in that tank?
I have a air stone that's around 8-9 inches rectangular.
 

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In my way of thinking, treating the water is trying to do with chemicals, what is much easier and better to do with just new, clean water. Once you get the bad water out, and good water in, that is all you need. I never treat my water, except to use some stress zyme or cycle IF I feel I have cleaned vigorously enough to cause a mini cycle. Most of the time I just use water changes. The filter material needs to be cleaned in used tank water (not hot, cold or tap "chlorinated" water), I would do away with any charcoal or other treatments in the filter, unless you have used medications, then use it a couple of days and discard. Sometimes the material designed to trap ammonia, can become saturated, and actually release the ammonia back into the tank causing real problems.

Is your tank planted? Do you have snails? Sometimes if you have plant material or snails which are dying and decaying it can cause real problems also. Treating the water with a copper medication for the fish can kill off snails, this can really pollute the water. --- Just grasping here, not really knowing what is going on.

Do the massive water changes daily until ammonia and nitrite reach 0 and nitrates range between 5 and 10. Since your tank is not fully cycled yet, this can take awhile.
Best of luck.

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susitna-flower said:
  In my way of thinking, treating the water is trying to do with chemicals, what is much easier and better to do with just new, clean water.    Once you get the bad water out, and good water in, that is all you need.    I never treat my water, except to use some stress zyme or cycle IF I feel I have cleaned vigorously enough to cause a mini cycle.    Most of the time I just use water changes.   The filter material needs to be cleaned in used tank water (not hot, cold or tap "chlorinated" water), I would do away with any charcoal or other treatments in the filter, unless you have used medications, then use it a couple of days and discard.   Sometimes the material designed to trap ammonia, can become saturated, and actually release the ammonia back into the tank causing real problems.

Is your tank planted?  Do you have snails?    Sometimes if you have plant material or snails which are dying and decaying it can cause real problems also.   Treating the water with a copper  medication for the fish can kill off snails, this can really pollute the water.   ---   Just grasping here, not really knowing what is going on.

Do the massive water changes daily until ammonia and nitrite reach 0 and nitrates range between 5 and 10.  Since your tank is not fully cycled yet, this can take awhile.
Best of luck.

Land of the Midnight Sun 8)
Tonight i took a reading and the nitrite is finally is at 0 but the ammonia is still at 1.0 fish seem ok,so you think i should'nt treat the water that I change? I did have 2 plants and i did have snails which all died so maybe that was the culprit.one of the plants turned yellow so i discarded that one.shouldI keep carbon in the filter or none?
 

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I wouldn't keep carbon in filter. Plants are good for helping keep down nitrate IF you have plenty of light for fast plant growth. If on the other hand you choose a high light plant and don't provide what it needs it will die and add pollution to the tank. I always council studying any new additions to your tank, before you purchase. Add slowly whether plants or new fish.

Keep up the water changes sounds like things are getting better, but until that ammonia is 0 you are still in danger. I wouldn't treat the water unless you get some Bio Spira like was suggested. This contains live bacteria that will help speed the cycle. Always better to help your tank naturally by use of bacteria, or water changes, than to mask the problem by adding chemicals. Keep up the good work!

Land of the Midnight Sun 8)
 
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  I wouldn't keep carbon in filter.    Plants are good for helping keep down nitrate IF you have plenty of light for fast plant growth.    If on the other hand you choose a high light plant and don't provide what it needs it will die and add pollution to the tank.    I always council studying any new additions to your tank, before you purchase.   Add slowly whether plants or new fish.
     
    Keep up the water changes sounds like things are getting better, but until that ammonia is 0 you are still in danger.    I wouldn't treat the water unless you get some Bio Spira like was suggested.   This contains live bacteria that will help speed the cycle.      Always better to help your tank naturally by use of bacteria, or water changes, than to mask the problem by adding chemicals.    Keep up the good work!

Land of the Midnight Sun  8)
Thanks for the advice I've been changing the water like you said without the chemicals and it's almost at the right levels ,I guess my tap water did'nt need the chemicals.so far so good thanks everyone.
 

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Glad to hear it! Time and elbow grease are always a good treatment for a wacky cycling tank. Just remember if you add any fish back in, don't exceed the 1" of expected adult size of fish per gallon of tank. This is the only way you will keep from repeating what just happened. Good Luck

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The only chemicals we recommend is a dechlorinating agent to take the chlorine out of your water.
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Butterfly said:
The only chemicals we recommend is a dechlorinating agent to take the chlorine out of your water.
Carol
Thanks carol I finally got the levels back to norm and i'm ready to give my remaining fish some company.
 
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