HELP Gouramis, will they fight?

tropicalpleco
  • #1
PLS HELP I just got one male golden gourami and one male blue gourami, I have a 55 gallon tank and a few other fish, will the gouramis fight with each other, if so what can I do PLS HELP
 

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Baney
  • #2
Do you know what the genders are? Male usually have a pointed analfin and females is rounded

But it doesn't usually matter the gender most fight with eachother. I have gouramis and it was hit or miss, some do good with eachother and some do terrible and kill eachother
 

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ProudPapa
  • #3
Where did you get them? If they came from a store it wouldn't hurt to ask if they'll take one back; maybe for store credit instead of a refund, but that's better than nothing.

And maybe you won't have any problems. I had a pearl and dwarf, both males, together in a lightly planted 40 gallon breeder tank for a while and they got along fine.
 
tropicalpleco
  • Thread Starter
  • #4
thanks for the reply I got both at petco, I am planing to take the blue one back thanks for all of your help

thanks for the tips they are both males, I am most likely going to bring one back,but if they don't fight then I may keep them
 
vyrille
  • #5
PLS HELP I just got one male golden gourami and one male blue gourami, I have a 55 gallon tank and a few other fish, will the gouramis fight with each other, if so what can I do PLS HELP
Oh I think they will. Remember these are anabantids, same family as bettas. In my 50gal I have a male and 2 female golds. All three of them squabble and lip lock especially during feeding time. No real damage in 6months they were doing this though. I imagine it will be much worse with 2 males, especially upon reaching maturity. But, it still depends on the personality of the individual fish, you might win the lottery and be the lucky one..
 
tropicalpleco
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
thank you for the reply I will just have to see what happens
 

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Vinh
  • #7
PLS HELP I just got one male golden gourami and one male blue gourami, I have a 55 gallon tank and a few other fish, will the gouramis fight with each other, if so what can I do PLS HELP
One will soon rip other fin off a bit but they will run for a life...I rather Separated them .Never put different kind of Gourami in same tank...
 
jinjerJOSH22
  • #8
One will soon rip other fin off a bit but they will run for a life...I rather Separated them .Never put different kind of Gourami in same tank...
I think they're both Three Spots?
Op, like stated above having just 2 male Gourami of any kind is asking for disaster and the Three Spot Gourami is renowned for being an aggressive fish.
 
Vinh
  • #9
They are one of a kind mid way aggressive...Two of a kind never getting alone well
 
Momgoose56
  • #10
PLS HELP I just got one male golden gourami and one male blue gourami, I have a 55 gallon tank and a few other fish, will the gouramis fight with each other, if so what can I do PLS HELP
Take one of them back where you purchased it. Who suggested that you put two together??
 

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Baney
  • #11
I learned the hardway, 3 females 2 males and 1 female was killed now the other male is getting beat up, I can't put him in the other tank cause the tank has ich
 
Momgoose56
  • #12
I learned the hardway, 3 females 2 males and 1 female was killed now the other male is getting beat up, I can't put him in the other tank cause the tank has ich
I'd check with whomever you bought him from and see if they'll take him back. They might if you give him to them for free. That's better than one getting killed in my book...
 
PascalKrypt
  • #13
Up front: I'm sorry about your loss. Below info has nothing to do with your situation anymore but since there are many people tossing anecdotes back and forth...

There is too much disinformation about gourami floating about. For any one reading this thread for info...

There are a few anabantoids notorious for aggression. Unfortunately these happen to be some of the most popular ones in the trade, leading to all anabantoids having the reputation of murderous fish not fit for communities or groups of their own species. This is simply untrue.
The most notoriously aggressive labyrinth fish are definitely captive-bred betta splendens and paradise fish, that generally cannot be kept together without serious or even fatal consequences. Wild betta species are usually much more tolerant of each other and plenty of them can be kept in a harem style without issues - however aggression levels differ per species and I don't know enough about them to make a judgment.
Among the gourami, dwarfs, kissing gourami and three-spot gourami (often called by their colour strains "blue", "marble", "golden" and "opaline") have the worst reputations. For all of these, there is no guarantee that any individual fish or combination of a few individuals will show aggression, or that the aggression will be of a serious nature. But the risk is very present and dwarfs, for instance, or known to kill each other on occassion. Three-spot gourami are also known to make live unlivable for each other in tanks.
Pearls can also show similar aggression, but seemingly at a lesser rate (as in, buying 5 random fish of each of these species, the best odds of having a group without aggression issues would be the pearls). This doesn't mean that there aren't enough anecdotes out there of even these fish not being able to live together.
Moonlight, thick-lipped, snakeskin and banded gourami have a much softer reputation, reports on sparkling gourami differs between this level of peaceful or more risky like Pearls.
Honey gourami have the best reputation as a peaceful fish, where sparring between males never comes to actual blows.

(I am excluding the peat swamp species because reports are either conflicting or scarce due to their difficulty of keeping, anyone interested in them should do some thorough research and come to their own conclusion)
 
Momgoose56
  • #14
Up front: I'm sorry about your loss. Below info has nothing to do with your situation anymore but since there are many people tossing anecdotes back and forth...

There is too much disinformation about gourami floating about. For any one reading this thread for info...

There are a few anabantoids notorious for aggression. Unfortunately these happen to be some of the most popular ones in the trade, leading to all anabantoids having the reputation of murderous fish not fit for communities or groups of their own species. This is simply untrue.
The most notoriously aggressive labyrinth fish are definitely captive-bred betta splendens and paradise fish, that generally cannot be kept together without serious or even fatal consequences. Wild betta species are usually much more tolerant of each other and plenty of them can be kept in a harem style without issues - however aggression levels differ per species and I don't know enough about them to make a judgment.
Among the gourami, dwarfs, kissing gourami and three-spot gourami (often called by their colour strains "blue", "marble", "golden" and "opaline") have the worst reputations. For all of these, there is no guarantee that any individual fish or combination of a few individuals will show aggression, or that the aggression will be of a serious nature. But the risk is very present and dwarfs, for instance, or known to kill each other on occassion. Three-spot gourami are also known to make live unlivable for each other in tanks.
Pearls can also show similar aggression, but seemingly at a lesser rate (as in, buying 5 random fish of each of these species, the best odds of having a group without aggression issues would be the pearls). This doesn't mean that there aren't enough anecdotes out there of even these fish not being able to live together.
Moonlight, thick-lipped, snakeskin and banded gourami have a much softer reputation, reports on sparkling gourami differs between this level of peaceful or more risky like Pearls.
Honey gourami have the best reputation as a peaceful fish, where sparring between males never comes to actual blows.

(I am excluding the peat swamp species because reports are either conflicting or scarce due to their difficulty of keeping, anyone interested in them should do some thorough research and come to their own conclusion)
Okay, -in this OP's case, would removing all the females decrease the male aggression toward each other? It works with Cichlids...
 

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jinjerJOSH22
  • #15
Okay, -in this OP's case, would removing all the females decrease the male aggression toward each other? It works with Cichlids...
I think it would be unlikely, even without Females my Dwarf still creates bubble nests and defends territory.
 
vyrille
  • #16
Okay, -in this OP's case, would removing all the females decrease the male aggression toward each other? It works with Cichlids...
Not with three spots. Those things will fight regardless of a female's presence or absence. In fact a male and female (or female-female for that matter) three spot pair can fight as savagely as two males would. It boils down to individual personality, as there are certainly exceptions, as with most other fish.
 
Momgoose56
  • #17
Not with three spots. Those things will fight regardless of a female's presence or absence. In fact a male and female (or female-female for that matter) three spot pair can fight as savagely as two males would. It boils down to individual personality, as there are certainly exceptions, as with most other fish.
I'm talking about this OP. Could removing all his females decrease aggression between his male blue and golden Gourami? PascalKrypt?
 
jinjerJOSH22
  • #18
I'm talking about this OP. Could removing all his females decrease aggression between his male blue and golden Gourami? PascalKrypt?
I don't think the op has any females.
 

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vyrille
  • #19
I'm talking about this OP. Could removing all his females decrease aggression between his male blue and golden Gourami? PascalKrypt?
OP has one blue and one gold male. he hasn't any females..
 
Vinh
  • #20
I learned the hardway, 3 females 2 males and 1 female was killed now the other male is getting beat up, I can't put him in the other tank cause the tank has ich
Get the biggest container you have in house like home depot 5 gallon would help ...
 
DoubleDutch
  • #21
Answer : rehome one male.
 
PascalKrypt
  • #22
Okay, -in this OP's case, would removing all the females decrease the male aggression toward each other? It works with Cichlids...
I'm talking about this OP. Could removing all his females decrease aggression between his male blue and golden Gourami? PascalKrypt?
As was pointed out, it doesn't apply to this case.
But to answer your question: maybe. Some individual gourami are simply so savage that the presence of breeding opportunities alone doesn't drive the aggression. It is actually less likely that moving out females helps reduce conflict between males than the opposite. Females are generally more tolerant of living in a hierarchy (which is why betta sororities can work whereas betta fraternities are a bad idea). For all of the bubble nesters (which includes most popular gourami species) males have a tendency to be territorial. Since in nature they wouldn't know when a female swims by, this behaviour is still observed when females are absent, though their presence certainly won't help in making relations between males any better. Something that may help is to destroy bubble nests when they appear, as these are essentially "stakes" by males claiming that spot for their future offspring, and they will be less tolerant of nearby rivals. Turning up the surface agitation a little so that no one will be tempted to build a nest but not so much that it would bother the adult fish is a strategy you could try.
For females, the presence of males may actually contribute a lot to aggression, as they suddenly have to compete in a group whereas they don't have to when no males are nearby. Females don't have (much of) the same territorial or nest-care instincts and are less likely to spar if no breeding opportunity presents itself. Again though, individual females may just be very assertive and the only solution is moving them to a different tank.
 
Donthemon
  • #23
They might. Get another tank or bring one back by to the fish store
 
Falena
  • #24
I agree with Donthemon. I accidentally ended up with two male thick lipped gourami once, and once they reached sexual maturity they got really nasty with each other and both golds and dwarfs can be pretty aggressive anyway. I'd recommend choosing one
 

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