Help! Fish Loosing Tails, Covered In White Fungus!

Sebastian CHokka


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WIN_20170421_16_21_32_Pro.jpg My fish have never caught a desise for the year I had them. Today, I noticed that my Dwarf Pleco is covered in white spots, my *peacefull, never aggressive* Betta is covered in it, and my *PEACEFUL, NEVER AGGRESSIVE* Neons are loosing their tails, and are covered in white spots! I'm doing a 50% water change and putting in Melafix. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?
 

Sebastian CHokka

HELP!!!!
*Accidentally attached more that one of the same pic*
 

Fashooga

When fish get sick you treat them for what they have. If you think it's fungus and your following the instructions, add x amount of dosage per gallon, remove carbon filter (if you have it) and sit at wait for 48 hours and change water and re-dose, than there is nothing else you can do but wait for the meds to take it's course.

Just make sure your following the instructions. For instance API recommends you do 25% water change 48 hours after your first dosage. But that's just API.

Also be prepared for some casualties.

Good luck.
 

Dave125g

I can't see much in the pictures. A fungus usually doesn't cause missing tails. That's usually fin and tail rot, which is a bacterial infection. Can you list all your fish species and water parameters please?
 

Wendy Adams

HELP!!!!
*Accidentally attached more that one of the same pic*

Sebastian, head on over to the Freshwater Fish Diseases board. I'm dealing with the exact same thing. It sounds like the white spots is ich and the other is either fin rot or a fungal or bacterial infection which can come on from stress and many of other things. You might get some information there as I've had a few people respond to my issues there that are really helpful. In the meantime, I'm sure others will respond to you here. But What I found is I got quicker responses by putting my posts in the correct forum. I first posted here yesterday or in one of the general forums. But didn't get many responses. When I reposted under the fish disease category it didn't take long to get a lot of good information.
 

Discusluv

Welcome to Fishlore!
Have you added any fish to your tank lately?
Do you have a water testing kit that you can use to test Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate?
What is your water changing schedule?
Are all your fish eating?
It definitely appears bacterial, but answering these questions will help with treatment.
 

EbiAqua

Sebastian CHokka how big is the tank and how long has it been running? How often do you do water changes?
 

Sebastian CHokka

The tank is 10 gallon. Running for 1.5 years, but I just took it out last week and beached it. Water changes every week for 35%, if I forget one week then 45%. Only Betta and Pleco eating.
 

EbiAqua

The tank is 10 gallon. Running for 1.5 years, but I just took it out last week and beached it. Water changes every week for 35%, if I forget one week then 45%. Only Betta and Pleco eating.
You bleached the tank?! How did you remove the chlorine? Also that pleco needs more than 10 gallons, as do the tetras.
 

Sebastian CHokka

I bleached it because my 6-year old sister put in soap. Took the fish out, bleached the tank, then rinsed thouroghly. Added stress coat, then added fish. Pleco is a Dwarf Pleco, and it stays about 4". I had 3 Neons, one committed scuicide about a month ago. The one without a tail is now floating, barely alive. Added FungusGaurd.
 

EbiAqua

I bleached it because my 6-year old sister put in soap. Took the fish out, bleached the tank, then rinsed thouroghly. Added stress coat, then added fish. Pleco is a Dwarf Pleco, and it stays about 4". I had 3 Neons, one committed scuicide about a month ago. The one without a tail is now floating, barely alive. Added FungusGaurd.
Alright, good to know.

Despite the small size dwarf plecos all have huge bioloads. Clown, bristlenose, bulldog, and rubberlip plecos only get a few inches but require a 29 gallon minimum and very good filtration.
 

Sebastian CHokka

any additional things I can do?
 

EbiAqua

any additional things I can do?
Plenty of water changes. Clean water is the best medicine.
 

Sebastian CHokka

Just did that, about 60%
 

Fashooga

I wonder if the tank is going to a new nitrogen cycle? Soap getting into the filter, than possible bleach residue might have made the filters in the HOB or canister useless. Thus causing a spike and stressing out the fish which causes some underlying infection that was dormant and now causing problems.

How are the water parameters?
 

Sebastian CHokka

Just did that, 60%.
 

Sebastian CHokka

I don't have a water testing kit. I put new filters and rinsed the filter, but did not bleach it... I should have bleached it... I'm so stupid XD
 

EbiAqua

I don't have a water testing kit. I put new filters and rinsed the filter, but did not bleach it... I should have bleached it... I'm so stupid XD
Yep, the new filters would be the cause. You restarted your cycle!
 

Sebastian CHokka

OK. Usually about every month I put in new pads, as the activated carbon in the pads wears out. Should I not do this?
 

Dave125g

Most likely you lost your cycle but ammonia poisoning doesn't explain fin loss neither does fungal infection. My best guess is bacterial infection. I also agree with stocking issues, but first things first lets get your fish healthy. Then lets worry about your cycle and stocking.
 

Discusluv

OK. Usually about every month I put in new pads, as the activated carbon in the pads wears out. Should I not do this?
Yes, this is fine, you just can't do it at the same time as you clean the rest of your tank. This puts your tank through a new cycle. The days following the changing of the filter pad though, you will have lower bacterial numbers for a few days so need to do water changes to make sure you do not get any elevated numbers until the new cartridge gets populated with beneficial bacteria.
Or, if their is room in your filter, you can't put the new cartridge in along with the old one, after a few days can take the old one out and the new one will be seeded with beneficial bacteria.
 

EbiAqua

@Sebastion CHokka next time you replace the filter pad, leave the new one in front of the old one for 2-3 weeks before throwing the old one away. I personally never throw my media away.
 

Discusluv

@Sebastion CHokka next time you replace the filter pad, leave the new one in front of the old one for 2-3 weeks before throwing the old one away. I personally never throw my media away.
Do you use the same cartridge, never change it out?
 

EbiAqua

Do you use the same cartridge, never change it out?
I remove the carbon and keep the floss, I just rinse it in a bucket of tank water every couple of weeks to get solids out. If it has a healthy, established colony of beneficial bacteria, why discard it?
 

KimberlyG

Do you use the same cartridge, never change it out?
Yes we do! We swish it out occasionaly in removed tank water when we do a water change and plop it right back in. The carbon is exhausted, but most of us only use carbon when we need to remove medication from the water or organics like tannins from driftwood if tannins aren't your thing.
My cartridge gets thrown away when it is literally falling apart in my hand.
 

Sebastian CHokka

My cartiges have the floss stuck to a plastic thing. The neon missing a tail just died... I doubt any of my fish wll live through the night.
WIll MelaFix with FUngusGaurd go together?
How often can I do water changes?
 

Discusluv

I remove the carbon and keep the floss, I just rinse it in a bucket of tank water every couple of weeks to get solids out. If it has a healthy, established colony of beneficial bacteria, why discard it?
The purpose of the filter floss is for mechanical filtration, not biological, it traps debris, an established aquarium has all the bacteria it needs to bounce back quickly ( in the hardware of the filter casing, the gravel, the walls of the aquarium) to reestablish the bacteria needed for a set bio-load. It does this within days and not weeks. A person that leaves their filter media for extended periods of time has no more or stronger bacteria in their cartridge than a person that changes it out every month. You just have to be cognizant that within the period of changing it out, your numbers will be lower for ma few days. The problem with using mechanical media as your biological media is overtime the floss begins to trap more and more debris and rinsing in tank water is not sufficient to clean of this waste and debris. Over time this can contribute to bacterial /parasitic issues in aquarium fish.
In the OP's case, his tank is newly established and he needs to protect his bacteria until his tank is well-established- at six months. But, even in a newly established tank, you can change your filter cartridge , you just have to take measures ( a few water changes) and/or placing the new media with the old in filter. It doesn't matter if the sponge is old or new, it only gets populated with BB to match the given bio-load of fish.
 

EbiAqua

My cartiges have the floss stuck to a plastic thing. The neon missing a tail just died... I doubt any of my fish wll live through the night.
WIll MelaFix with FUngusGaurd go together?
How often can I do water changes?
Yeah, keep your filter pads and you won't experience these kinds of issues nearly as frequently. Fish are more susceptible to disease when water quality is in question, and having established colonies of bacteria helps prevent it. In the future, do not discard the pads.
 

Dave125g

I have 3 HOBs with 2 large cartridges each. I replace 1 every 4-5 days. That way the bacteria has time to recolinize the new 1. I always use carbon.
 

EbiAqua

The purpose of the filter floss is for mechanical filtration, not biological, it traps debris, an established aquarium has all the bacteria it needs to bounce back quickly ( in the hardware of the filter casing, the gravel, the walls of the aquarium) to reestablish the bacteria needed for a set bio-load. It does this within days and not weeks. A person that leaves their filter media for extended periods of time has no more or stronger bacteria in their cartridge than a person that changes it out every month. You just have to be cognizant that within the period of changing it out, your numbers will be lower for ma few days. The problem with using mechanical media as your biological media is overtime the floss begins to trap more and more debris and rinsing in tank water is not sufficient to clean of this waste and debris. Over time this can contribute to bacterial /parasitic issues in aquarium fish.
In the OP's case, his tank is newly established and he needs to protect his bacteria until his tank is well-established- at six months. But, even in a newly established tank, you can change your filter cartridge , you just have to take measures ( a few water changes) and/or placing the new media with the old in filter. It doesn't matter if the sponge is old or new, it only gets populated with BB to match the given bio-load of fish.
I know it is mechanical filtration but bacteria still colonize it. Almost all of your beneficial bacteria is in your filter media, not the substrate or water. As long as you rinse it in tank water every few weeks you should avoid issues. It is the general consensus that you do not throw away your filter pads, and I, personally, would not want to risk losing my cycle.
 

EbiAqua

I have 3 HOBs with 2 large cartridges each. I replace 1 every 4-5 days. That way the bacteria has time to recolinize the new 1. I always use carbon.
Save yourself some money and use sponges instead of expensive cartidges
 

Discusluv

I know it is mechanical filtration but bacteria still colonize it. Almost all of your beneficial bacteria is in your filter media, not the substrate or water. As long as you rinse it in tank water every few weeks you should avoid issues. It is the general consensus that you do not throw away your filter pads, and I, personally, would not want to risk losing my cycle.
If you lost your cycle in an established tank through changing out your mechanical media, you didn't have a good colony to begin with. Ridiculous! This I "keep all my filter media (mechanical, chemical, and biological )until it falls apart" is a wives tale that gets repeated over and over, no wonder so many new people have husbandry problems in their aquarium.
 

KimberlyG

Okay, let's get back to the sick fish. One has already died.
Melafix won't really do anything in this case.
OMG! I was busy looking at a lost fin and 3 cottony patches on the pleco...You fish have ICK.
Go to the picture of the pleco and look at his entire nose region. The picture with the two neons, look at the one on top. They will be covered in the morning.
Do you anything with malachite green in it?
 

KimberlyG

If you're counting from the first picture posted, pictures 11, 16, 17
 

Dave125g

Save yourself some money and use sponges instead of expensive cartidges
It cost me like 12 bucks a month.
 

Fashooga

I use carbon too...it's the same filters I've had since 2013.
 

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