Guppy swimming in circles

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HI everyone,
So I have a guppy who is swimming in circles, nonstop for hours now. We checked the water and the levels are all fine, temp is steady. Did a water change, dosed with aquarium salt.
It’s literally constant, clockwise swimming all day long.
Any suggestions? Thank you!
 

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What size tank? Sounds like its hyper and exploring its new tank.

EDIT: Sorry, read your aquarium details, if its a 60 gallon - is it swimming around the tank or in circles?
 
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Tight circles. He was in the back bottom corner this morning til the pleco shoo’d him out. He’s moving around the tank but can’t swim straight or won’t, just constant circles no matter where he goes.
 

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Is he leaning, or perhaps have any signs of finrot? A pic or two may explain it.
 
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No he looks normal to me. No leaning, doesn’t seem like a swim bladder issue. He just won’t stop with the circles. He won’t even just stop swimming in general and give himself a rest. I don’t see anything on him, no spots or fuzz, or any lesions etc. I’ll see if I can get a good picture later on in the daytime.
 

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Very strange. It sounds like he's just hyper. Does he come up for food?
 
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Quite difficult to get a good shot of a guppy swimming in circles during feeding time. He does look skinnier than all his brothers.

So he came up to eat, tried, swam in circles like a nut... but I don’t think he actually ate he had no aim.
 

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This is really weird. As a last resort I would treat the tank with a general cure. See how it goes from there.
 
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Yes! I did just do that. He’s been swimming in slower circles but I think maybe he’s just tired at this point.. If it’s even possible for a guppy to be tired, they never stop.
 

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Fish can die of exhaustion, but that's usually from too much flow, not self inflicted.
 

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Is the fish swimming around the tank in circles or kind of spinning in a spiral?

There's something called "Whirling Disease" (it's actually a parasite) that can make fish swim in frantic spirals, quickly flipping around, doing somersaults, sometimes spinning vertically like they're standing on their heads. But I think it's only possible to get it from feeding tubifex worms or if the fish was wild-caught.
 

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There is a possibility of a genetic defect in highly bred species like guppies, that can make that happen. I'd keep that in mind in case all other possibilities proof wrong.
 
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I looked into that whirling disease as well, but he’s not spiraling or doing any flips or anything erratic.
Would the genetic issue just show up? Does it usually mean the end for the fish?
 

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ktn127 said:
Would the genetic issue just show up? Does it usually mean the end for the fish?
Usually it would show up at the breeder already, who would cull them, but sometimes it just manifests later in life.
I have actually no idea about the mortality rate. Most people seem to euthanize them as soon as this arises.
 
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:( I’ll have to see how it progresses and go there as a last resort
 

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ktn127 said:
So he came up to eat, tried, swam in circles like a nut... but I don’t think he actually ate he had no aim.
Sorry but it sounds neurological. Just went though this with my dog. Could be a fish seisure or stroke. Not saying that's what it is, just sounds that way. If they can't eat (locate food), well i'm sorry :(
 

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angelcraze said:
Sorry but it sounds neurological. Just went though this with my dog. Could be a fish seisure or stroke. Not staying that's what it is, just sounds that way.
Exactly what the genetic disorders can cause. So... yeah. Would make sense.
 
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I appreciate everyone’s help!
I thought about netting and putting him in a floating breeder box to see if he can eat without competition but I feel like he’ll just swim into the walls and delay the inevitable.
 

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I wouldn't euthanize him, he's not necessarily in any pain. If I were you I'd keep him until eventually he died of exhaustion or starvation. You can try feeding him with twesers.

Sorry if I'm being too blunt.
 
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No not at all.
He does seem ok otherwise. I think he’s got a little bit of a busted up lip from running into things, but he’s trying, so I’ll let him try.
 

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