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ASHLEY R COOK

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A lot of the info I find on German blue rams say they can be hard to acclimate and keep.
Is it true that they die easily. I saw some in person and they are so cute and beatuiful but I don't want to move into difficult territory yet.
My Ph is 8.2
And I have very hard water.
 

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My source water isnt good. The gbr at my lfs do fine. I had them in my tank for a few months before they succumbed to whatever is in my source water. It can also be difficult to get hearty stock.
 
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Could i keep just one instead of a pair?
 

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My understanding is they are fairly sensitive fish requiring lower Ph, GH and warmer water. They won't live long with your water.
 

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I had a pair of gbr that spawned 3 or 4 times in water with a pH of 7.8. As long as you don't have pH swings, it might be okay to have them at that pH
 

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She also said she has hard water... and remember, Ph scale is logrithmic, so 8.2 is a lot higher than even 7.8.
 

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My experience (and I stress it is only my experience) is that rams (other than Bolivians) are very sensitive to water quality. Adding to that the genetics in the market place has been steadily going down with all the hobby breeders going under. I have heard that there is some very good stock available on line, but I personally do not know.
 

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ASHLEY R COOK said:
A lot of the info I find on German blue rams say they can be hard to acclimate and keep.
Is it true that they die easily. I saw some in person and they are so cute and beatuiful but I don't want to move into difficult territory yet.
My Ph is 8.2
And I have very hard water.
I too am in love with GBRs and alas I've resigned myself to admiring from afar. they need quite high temperature.

from stories of those who keep them successfully, they really do seem to be a species that thrive best in soft water at a pH below 7 despite being aquarium bred. (although temperature is more important than pH for captive breeds).

you could look into Bolivian butterfly rams which tolerate lower temps or cockatoo cichlids? not sure how those would do with hard water tho
 

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I have GBR's that were given to me unexpectedly. My water is on the hard side and my pH is 8.0. I have had them for a month, but I'm watching with misgivings... They have paired off and are digging pits in the sand and look bright and active, but it has only been a month. These are NOT fish I would have chosen for myself given my water conditions.
 
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