Flat Pat's Tank Journal

I looked a bit about this just now. is it possible he passed out? I read that the sudden change in salinity may cause this.

also when this happend where you doing a aquarium salt bath? if you do this again in a week or so when he is feeling better do 2 and a half teaspoons of salt per gallon and for only 6 minutes you can increase the time from there but we dont want this happing again. can you get a picture of him?

also dont feel bad you are doing your best to save him!

good luck!

Can they pass out for a long time? Since he was at the bottom of the tank all night into this afternoon only moving on occasion (I think he's doing better now). Thanks for the information! It was an aquarium salt bath. I don't think I'll do them again just because he's so compromised and I think that's why he didn't tolerate it well. Thank you for the encouraging words!

 

Can they pass out for a long time? Since he was at the bottom of the tank all night into this afternoon only moving on occasion (I think he's doing better now). Thanks for the information! It was an aquarium salt bath. I don't think I'll do them again just because he's so compromised and I think that's why he didn't tolerate it well. Thank you for the encouraging words!

sorry dont know much about them passing out I just did a bit of research before my first salt bath and now but can't seem to find to much on it. i have only had great experiences with salt baths and have never had it happen. awsome that he is doing better though! and i agree it might not be a good idea to do any more salt baths maybe you could put it right in his tank at a lower dosage? i know some bettas just don't do well with salt though so make sure to start at a super low dose them slowly increase it if he is still doing good.

 

sorry dont know much about them passing out I just did a bit of research before my first salt bath and now but can't seem to find to much on it. i have only had great experiences with salt baths and have never had it happen. awsome that he is doing better though! and i agree it might not be a good idea to do any more salt baths maybe you could put it right in his tank at a lower dosage? i know some bettas just don't do well with salt though so make sure to start at a super low dose them slowly increase it if he is still doing good.

I'm glad you have had great experiences with salt baths! His popeye is getting worse and I'm just panicking. The other eye is starting to cloud over. I actually found ouf that he likely has a gram-negative bacterial infection which is why the Erythromycin didn’t work, so I plan to treat with Kanaplex. However, I’m a little hesitant to add it to the tank seeing how stressed he already is. But if I don’t do it, his illnesses are going to progress and he may die from those! I’m conflicted.

 

I'm glad you have had great experiences with salt baths! His popeye is getting worse and I'm just panicking. The other eye is starting to cloud over. I actually found ouf that he likely has a gram-negative bacterial infection which is why the Erythromycin didn’t work, so I plan to treat with Kanaplex. However, I’m a little hesitant to add it to the tank seeing how stressed he already is. But if I don’t do it, his illnesses are going to progress and he may die from those! I’m conflicted.

I would add the kanaplex... the salt bath as said by multiple people probible stressed him out and because he already wasn't doing the best it just didn't and probably won't work for him right now.I think kanaplex would be okay though an it will be added in his water so there shouldnt be much stress. also i have heard of tons of people who have successfully treated pop eye with it.

how is he doing this morning?

 

sorry dont know much about them passing out I just did a bit of research before my first salt bath and now but can't seem to find to much on it. i have only had great experiences with salt baths and have never had it happen. awsome that he is doing better though! and i agree it might not be a good idea to do any more salt baths maybe you could put it right in his tank at a lower dosage? i know some bettas just don't do well with salt though so make sure to start at a super low dose them slowly increase it if he is still doing good.

I'm glad you have had great experiences with salt baths! His popeye is getting worse and I'm just panicking. The other eye is starting to cloud over. I actually determined that his popeye is gram-negative which is why Erythromycin didn't do anything

I would add the kanaplex... the salt bath as said by multiple people probible stressed him out and because he already wasn't doing the best it just didn't and probably won't work for him right now.I think kanaplex would be okay though an it will be added in his water so there shouldnt be much stress. also i have heard of tons of people who have successfully treated pop eye with it.

how is he doing this morning?

That's so good to hear! He is doing kind of worse, but thank you for asking! He's at the bottom of the tank and I saw him struggling to swim. He also can't see his food because of the popeye he has in both eyes. His good eye is starting to go bad. It's starting to get a cloudy film over it just like the other one. I saw he had moved from his spot on the bottom and was lying on a leaf in his plant. That's when I noticed the other eye starting to get worse. I only did the salt bath because I thought it would bring down the swelling (oh my gosh is it swollen). Sounds like you have had success with salt baths. It's a shame it didn't work out for my little guy.

 

I'm glad you have had great experiences with salt baths! His popeye is getting worse and I'm just panicking. The other eye is starting to cloud over. I actually determined that his popeye is gram-negative which is why Erythromycin didn't do anything

That's so good to hear! He is doing kind of worse, but thank you for asking! He's at the bottom of the tank and I saw him struggling to swim. He also can't see his food because of the popeye he has in both eyes. His good eye is starting to go bad. It's starting to get a cloudy film over it just like the other one. I saw he had moved from his spot on the bottom and was lying on a leaf in his plant. That's when I noticed the other eye starting to get worse. I only did the salt bath because I thought it would bring down the swelling (oh my gosh is it swollen). Sounds like you have had success with salt baths. It's a shame it didn't work out for my little guy.

if he is having troubles eating due to his eye mabye use tweezers to help him eat? also i would flavor his food with garlic juice and don't worry it is 100% safe it will boost his immune and is also an apitite enhancer (that is why it is in most foods in smaller amounts) I think you can buy it at most pet stores but i just use it from a fresh garlic clove let the food soak for about 2-3 minutes before feeding. i do this almost weekly for my fish even when they are heathy as a preventative.

also maybe move the food on the surface a bit so he can feel the vibration and figure it out.
best of luck!

 

if he is having troubles eating due to his eye mabye use tweezers to help him eat? also i would flavor his food with garlic juice and don't worry it is 100% safe it will boost his immune and is also an apitite enhancer (that is why it is in most foods in smaller amounts) I think you can buy it at most pet stores but i just use it from a fresh garlic clove let the food soak for about 2-3 minutes before feeding. i do this almost weekly for my fish even when they are heathy as a preventative.

also maybe move the food on the surface a bit so he can feel the vibration and figure it out.
best of luck!

Thank you SO much for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it! That's also what others suggested; they said he'd smell it. That's smart. I think I'll do that then! How do you extract garlic juice from a garlic clove (sorry I don't cook or anything so I have no idea, I may have to ask my mom). If I can't figure out how to extract the juice from a garlic clove, does Seachem Garlicguard sound okay? Thanks!

 

Thank you SO much for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it! That's also what others suggested; they said he'd smell it. That's smart. I think I'll do that then! How do you extract garlic juice from a garlic clove (sorry I don't cook or anything so I have no idea, I may have to ask my mom). If I can't figure out how to extract the juice from a garlic clove, does Seachem Garlicguard sound okay? Thanks!

yes sachem garlic guard should work although i have never used it so don't know much about it.
as for the garlic I dice it then put in a shallow cup of water (about a tablespoon) then let it soak in the water for for about 5 minutes before straining out the garlic chunks and soaking the food for 2-3 minutes

 

yes sachem garlic guard should work although i have never used it so don't know much about it.
as for the garlic I dice it then put in a shallow cup of water (about a tablespoon) then let it soak in the water for for about 5 minutes before straining out the garlic chunks and soaking the food for 2-3 minutes

Found out we have garlic cloves! I'll probably try those first so I don't have to wait for the Seachem Garlicguard. Thank you so much for your response, it was really helpful and I really appreciate it!

 

Found out we have garlic cloves! I'll probably try those first so I don't have to wait for the Seachem Garlicguard. Thank you so much for your response, it was really helpful and I really appreciate it!

good luck!

 

Either Flat Pat can smell really well, or he's not blind. He can still eat with or without using tweezers. I still soak it in garlic juice since I heard it acts as a tonic for ill fish.

He's swimming a bit more, but still lies around on occasion.

Kanaplex isn't working yet and I'm not sure if I should be seeing progress yet. I tried asking on a new thread, only for it to be merged with my old thread, so I don't know if anyone is going to respond. He looks the same. Today will be day 3 dose 2 of Kanaplex. According to the package, you do a total of 3 doses. I heard popeye can take months to heal, so I'm wondering how that works if you only do 3 doses. Does it kill of the bacteria, so then it heals? I don't know. I just hope he gets better. He's looking the same.

 

I found out about a site that antibiotics for the illnesses Flat Pat is dealing with. They're not the typical antibiotics you have heard of.
Credit goes to Fae for telling me all about these antibiotics.

For the popeye, I plan to use Aquatronics Eye Fungex. You add drops directly into the fish's eyes... Yeah. Pretty intense. I don't know how I'm going to pull it off, but nothing else seems to be working and I'm desperate. You pour 1-2 drops of the silver nitrate into the eye(s), and then add 3 drops of Potassium Dichromate to stop the reaction of silver nitrate. The one downside is you CANNOT get this in their gills. It is very toxic. I'm scared because the gills aren't that far from their eye(s), so if I'm a little off it could be bad. I plan to test on a paper towel how the drops come out of the dropper so I can get the feel for how the drops will come out.

For fin rot, they recommend Aquatronics Spectrogram; Synergistic Kanamycin/Nitrofurazone Full Spectrum Treatment, but they are out of stock due to high demand. They recommend to use Aquatronics Furacyn; Premium Pharmaceutical Grade Nitrofurazone in place of the other one that is out of stock. I hope it works, seeing how the other one is more meant for fin rot, but it says this one will treat some cases of fin rot, so I'm just hoping...

My mom says I'll have to buy it. She's tired of buying antibiotics for Flat Pat. Problem is, is I can't log into the bank account app to see how much I have! I forgot my username and password and am going to have to call on Monday since the bank is not open on Sundays.

By the way, I got a gravel vacuum/siphon. And an extra large betta leaf hammock, not the normal sized one. And some Indian almond leaves. All at the local pet store!

 

I found out about a site that has antibiotics for the illnesses Flat Pat is dealing with. Credit goes to Fae for telling me all about these antibiotics.

For the popeye, I plan to use Aquatronics Eye Fungex. You add drops directly into the fish's eyes... Yeah. Pretty intense. I don't know how I'm going to pull it off, but nothing else seems to be working and I'm desperate. You pour 1-2 drops of the silver nitrate into the eye(s), and then add 3 drops of Potassium Dichromate to stop the reaction of silver nitrate. The one downside is you CANNOT get this in their gills. It is very toxic. I'm scared because the gills aren't that far from their eye(s), so if I'm a little off it could be bad. I plan to test on a paper towel how the drops come out of the dropper so I can get the feel for how the drops will come out.

For fin rot, they recommend Aquatronics Spectrogram; Synergistic Kanamycin/Nitrofurazone Full Spectrum Treatment, but they are out of stock due to high demand. They recommend to use Aquatronics Furacyn; Premium Pharmaceutical Grade Nitrofurazone in place of the other one that is out of stock. I hope it works, seeing how the other one is more meant for fin rot, but it says this one will treat some cases of fin rot, so I'm just hoping...

My mom says I'll have to buy it. She's tired of buying antibiotics for Flat Pat. Problem is, is I can't log into the bank account app to see how much I have! I forgot my username and password and am going to have to call on Monday since the bank is not open on Sundays.

By the way, I got a gravel vacuum/siphon. And an extra large betta leaf hammock, not the normal sized one. And some Indian almond leaves. All at the local pet store!

I'm sorry that I'm late, but I just realized that you mentioned he had Pop-Eye in both eyes. This is NOT a good thing, and is very likely a case of Fish Tuberculosis, an incredibly contagious and fatal disease (to fish) that can spread to Humans. It's caused by poor water quality and is untreatable. Sadly, if this is the case, there's nothing you can do but keep him comfortable until he passes. I truly hope this isn't the case, but provided Pop-Eye is the most common symptom of Fish TB, and how it's very unlikely to see on both eyes otherwise, it's very likely. If this is the case, however, you will have to be careful. Wear gloves when dealing with his water, especially if you have dry skin or cuts on your hands, and deep-clean the tank once he passes to ensure that it doesn't spread to any others in the future (if such is fated).

If you can, lower the water level to no more than 20cm/8in tall, 15cm/6in preferably. This'll ensure that he can get to the surface of the water to breath. Keep the bubbler on a low setting (it doesn't provide oxygen to the water anyway; it's surface agitation that does this), the lighting dim, feed him quality food, and hope for the best <3

My best wishes and condolences go out to you, friend! Good luck

 

I found out about a site that has professional grade antibiotics for the illnesses Flat Pat is dealing with. Credit goes to Fae for telling me all about these antibiotics.

For the popeye, I plan to use Aquatronics Eye Fungex. You add drops directly into the fish's eyes... Yeah. Pretty intense. I don't know how I'm going to pull it off, but nothing else seems to be working and I'm desperate. You pour 1-2 drops of the silver nitrate into the eye(s), and then add 3 drops of Potassium Dichromate to stop the reaction of silver nitrate. The one downside is you CANNOT get this in their gills. It is very toxic. I'm scared because the gills aren't that far from their eye(s), so if I'm a little off it could be bad. I plan to test on a paper towel how the drops come out of the dropper so I can get the feel for how the drops will come out.

For fin rot, they recommend Aquatronics Spectrogram; Synergistic Kanamycin/Nitrofurazone Full Spectrum Treatment, but they are out of stock due to high demand. They recommend to use Aquatronics Furacyn; Premium Pharmaceutical Grade Nitrofurazone in place of the other one that is out of stock. I hope it works, seeing how the other one is more meant for fin rot, but it says this one will treat some cases of fin rot, so I'm just hoping...

My mom says I'll have to buy it. She's tired of buying antibiotics for Flat Pat. Problem is, is I can't log into the bank account app to see how much I have! I forgot my username and password and am going to have to call on Monday since the bank is not open on Sundays.

By the way, I got a gravel vacuum/siphon. And an extra large betta leaf hammock, not the normal sized one. And some Indian almond leaves. All at the local pet store!

your

I'm sorry that I'm late, but I just realized that you mentioned he had Pop-Eye in both eyes. This is NOT a good thing, and is very likely a case of Fish Tuberculosis, an incredibly contagious and fatal disease (to fish) that can spread to Humans. It's caused by poor water quality and is untreatable. Sadly, if this is the case, there's nothing you can do but keep him comfortable until he passes. I truly hope this isn't the case, but provided Pop-Eye is the most common symptom of Fish TB, and how it's very unlikely to see on both eyes otherwise, it's very likely. If this is the case, however, you will have to be careful. Wear gloves when dealing with his water, especially if you have dry skin or cuts on your hands, and deep-clean the tank once he passes to ensure that it doesn't spread to any others in the future (if such is fated).

If you can, lower the water level to no more than 20cm/8in tall, 15cm/6in preferably. This'll ensure that he can get to the surface of the water to breath. Keep the bubbler on a low setting (it doesn't provide oxygen to the water anyway; it's surface agitation that does this), the lighting dim, feed him quality food, and hope for the best <3

My best wishes and condolences go out to you, friend! Good luck

I thought fish Tuberculosis symptoms where crooked spine and missing scales and open wounds and blisters... i did a bit of research before for a fish i thought might of had it.

I might have missed something though. what are the symptoms you know of?

 

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I thought fish Tuberculosis symptoms where crooked spine and missing scales and open wounds and blisters... i did a bit of research before for a fish i thought might of had it.

I might have missed something though. what are the symptoms you know of?

I. Am. Panicking. I feel like crying right now. If I find out he has Tuberculosis, I will seriously cry.

I'm sorry that I'm late, but I just realized that you mentioned he had Pop-Eye in both eyes. This is NOT a good thing, and is very likely a case of Fish Tuberculosis, an incredibly contagious and fatal disease (to fish) that can spread to Humans. It's caused by poor water quality and is untreatable. Sadly, if this is the case, there's nothing you can do but keep him comfortable until he passes. I truly hope this isn't the case, but provided Pop-Eye is the most common symptom of Fish TB, and how it's very unlikely to see on both eyes otherwise, it's very likely. If this is the case, however, you will have to be careful. Wear gloves when dealing with his water, especially if you have dry skin or cuts on your hands, and deep-clean the tank once he passes to ensure that it doesn't spread to any others in the future (if such is fated).

If you can, lower the water level to no more than 20cm/8in tall, 15cm/6in preferably. This'll ensure that he can get to the surface of the water to breath. Keep the bubbler on a low setting (it doesn't provide oxygen to the water anyway; it's surface agitation that does this), the lighting dim, feed him quality food, and hope for the best <3

My best wishes and condolences go out to you, friend! Good luck

your

I thought fish Tuberculosis symptoms where crooked spine and missing scales and open wounds and blisters... i did a bit of research before for a fish i thought might of had it.

I might have missed something though. what are the symptoms you know of?

Found this article: https://www.bettaboxx.com/betta-disease-illness/tuberculosis/

 

I personally don't think it is tuberculosis it is possible but it is not uncommon for bettas to get pop eye in both eyes if it is caused by bacteria and and I think you said earlier on that that was probable the cause.
I think the treatment you said above with the Aquatronics Eye Fungex might work i have never heard of it and will check it out but i am sure you have done lots of research on i already.

 

I personally don't think it is tuberculosis it is possible but it is not uncommon for bettas to get pop eye in both eyes if it is caused by bacteria and and I think you said earlier on that that was probable the cause.
I think the treatment you said above with the Aquatronics Eye Fungex might work i have never heard of it and will check it out but i am sure you have done lots of research on i already.

Thank you so much, this gives me reassurance. After doing some research, it didn't sound like Tuberculosis to me either, but I still am "on edge." I'm thinking of possibly leaving this hobby after Flat Pat passes, as it has quite an emotional toll on me. At the same time, I know I really enjoy it, so I don't know...

Yes! The Aquatronics Eye Fungex is keeping me hopeful since it is a direct application to the eyes!

 

Thank you so much, this gives me reassurance. After doing some research, it didn't sound like Tuberculosis to me either, but I still am "on edge." I'm thinking of possibly leaving this hobby after Flat Pat passes, as it has quite an emotional toll on me. At the same time, I know I really enjoy it, so I don't know...

Yes! The Aquatronics Eye Fungex is keeping me hopeful since it is a direct application to the eyes!

Hope you can get the meds soon! Be sure to keep us updated

 

Thank you so much, this gives me reassurance. After doing some research, it didn't sound like Tuberculosis to me either, but I still am "on edge." I'm thinking of possibly leaving this hobby after Flat Pat passes, as it has quite an emotional toll on me. At the same time, I know I really enjoy it, so I don't know...

Yes! The Aquatronics Eye Fungex is keeping me hopeful since it is a direct application to the eyes!

I agree the Aquatronics Eye Fungex does sound strong and i know you will do your best to save him.
good luck though I hope he will be feeling better soon!

 

Today I ordered the meds. I asked my family members if they wanted to donate to the cause and they all said no. It says it will come in 1-9 days. Tonight will be his 3rd and final dose of Kanaplex. I also plan to do a tank change before doing that 3rd dose. While I wait for the Aquatronics meds to come, I plan to give him and Indian almond leaf which I doubt will do much, but it's still something.

 

Today I ordered the meds. I asked my family members if they wanted to donate to the cause and they all said no. It says it will come in 1-9 days. Tonight will be his 3rd and final dose of Kanaplex. I also plan to do a tank change before doing that 3rd dose. While I wait for the Aquatronics meds to come, I plan to give him and Indian almond leaf which I doubt will do much, but it's still something.

best of luck! hope the new meds will work!

 

I worry Flat Pat is going to die before the meds come. He keeps lying at the bottom of the tank. When I put the net down to see if he's dead, he swims away, but then lies back down. He's also not eating. I tried the garlic, which worked last time, but not this time. I dropped it right in front of him and he didn't budge! I don't know what's going on.

 

I worry Flat Pat is going to die before the meds come. He keeps lying at the bottom of the tank. When I put the net down to see if he's dead, he swims away, but then lies back down. He's also not eating. I tried the garlic, which worked last time, but not this time. I dropped it right in front of him and he didn't budge! I don't know what's going on.

Please don't feel bad for doing anything done with good intentions. It's clear you're going through something pretty rough and that response is relatively natural. I do get the thing with new threads however, I currently have a sick Gourami and I feel like creating new threads is the best way to get attention (even if it's spammy). Unfortunately that's the reality of how forums work . I wish the best for you and for Flat Pat, and I wish him a speedy recovery. As to feeling guilt for what has happened, you shouldn't. Your conditions are just as serious as a physical condition and it's not your fault that Flat Pat got sick. As well, long finned bettas are very inbred and are known to have major genetic issues sometimes, so they'll sometimes get sick with no explaination

Hopefully he can hang in there until your medicine arrives, and I really do hope the best for you and your finned friend.

 

Well it's not annoying, maybe it's "disruptive" to some people, but isn't asking questions about fish the point of a fish keeping forum? The fact that you're posting more than one thread so each of your questions gets equal attention should be seen as a good thing because, a more active forum looks more worth joining. Anyway, Your need to ask for help certainly isn't hurting anybody and shows how much you care for your fish and, In the end weather flat pat lives or dies the only thing you can do is learn from your experience. I know for me that each mistake 1.means that I'm trying, 2.means that i'm learning something (not only about myself but this hobby too), 3. means that I'm becoming a better person and more responsible hobbyist. I sincerely wish you the best, it sounds like you're going through a tough time and I hope you get through it all right, Good luck!

 

Please don't feel bad for doing anything done with good intentions. It's clear you're going through something pretty rough and that response is relatively natural. I do get the thing with new threads however, I currently have a sick Gourami and I feel like creating new threads is the best way to get attention (even if it's spammy). Unfortunately that's the reality of how forums work . I wish the best for you and for Flat Pat, and I wish him a speedy recovery. As to feeling guilt for what has happened, you shouldn't. Your conditions are just as serious as a physical condition and it's not your fault that Flat Pat got sick. As well, long finned bettas are very inbred and are known to have major genetic issues sometimes, so they'll sometimes get sick with no explaination

Hopefully he can hang in there until your medicine arrives, and I really do hope the best for you and your finned friend.

Thank you SO much for your kind response, it really helped me when I was feeling down this morning! Awwww, I'm so sorry to hear about your sick Gourami! I hope they heal quickly! Thank you, that means so much to me because I have been feeling guilty! Hearing this from someone else makes me feel better! Again, thank you so much for your kindness and well wishes, it was really helpful and made me feel better!

Well it's not annoying, maybe it's "disruptive" to some people, but isn't asking questions about fish the point of a fish keeping forum? The fact that you're posting more than one thread so each of your questions gets equal attention should be seen as a good thing because, a more active forum looks more worth joining. Anyway, Your need to ask for help certainly isn't hurting anybody and shows how much you care for your fish and, In the end weather flat pat lives or dies the only thing you can do is learn from your experience. I know for me that each mistake 1.means that I'm trying, 2.means that i'm learning something (not only about myself but this hobby too), 3. means that I'm becoming a better person and more responsible hobbyist. I sincerely wish you the best, it sounds like you're going through a tough time and I hope you get through it all right, Good luck!

Thank you SO much for your kind words, it means so much to me! You make very valid points! Thank you for the encouraging words and well wishes, it really helped me when I was feeling down, thank you!

 

I'm learning about the three types of bacteria: aeromonas, pseudomonas, and vibrio. These are all gram-negative. I am also learning about microscopic examinations of pathogens in fish, although it sounds like you need to do a biopsy to look at the type of bacteria infecting a fish and I am NOT fit to do that. Aeromonas and pseudomonas can both cause popeye and fin rot. Aeromonas can show itself as an aggressive case of fin rot, while psudomonas is the more common cause of fin rot. I also learned, "Prolonged treatment with antibiotics may also predispose fish to fungal infections" (Campbell 29). I did not know that.
I can't tell if aeromonas or pseudomonas is what has infected my fish, as they can both cause popeye and fin rot.
I looked up how to treat aeromonas bacteria. It sounds like in humans, it is used with a combination of Doxycycline and Ciprofloxacin together. I looked up if this is the same for fish, and sure enough, there is Doxycycline and Ciprofloxacin for fish. Now, I am not going to do this as 1. I do not know if it is aeromonas or pseudomonas, and 2. I have already ordered other antibiotics. The other antibiotics I have ordered are from the same site that gave all the information about the aeromonas and pseudomonas, so hopefully their antibiotics will treat just that!
I have a couple of sites where I got my information from that I will link.
Also, here is the site about examining pathogens in fish: Performing a basic examination in fish
Update on Flat Pat:
He is at the bottom of the tank. He's also not eating even with the garlic that I soaked for literally all day (literally, the garlic dried up). I don't know what to do.

I also ordered the API Master Test Kit. My parents said I would have to buy it. So, I did. It should come today. Lately on the forum, I've seen that most people's fish who have been lying at the bottom of the tank have had some traces of ammonia in their tanks. So, I want to make sure that's not the case in my tank.

Hang in there, Flat Pat! Remember, I have a whole planted tank for you planned and everything! Please, don't give up on me.

 

I'm learning about the three types of bacteria: aeromonas, pseudomonas, and vibrio. These are all gram-negative. I am also learning about microscopic examinations of pathogens in fish, although it sounds like you need to do a biopsy to look at the type of bacteria infecting a fish and I am NOT fit to do that. Aeromonas and pseudomonas can both cause popeye and fin rot. Aeromonas can show itself as an aggressive case of fin rot, while psudomonas is the more common cause of fin rot. I also learned, "Prolonged treatment with antibiotics may also predispose fish to fungal infections" (Campbell 29). I did not know that.
I can't tell if aeromonas or pseudomonas is what has infected my fish, as they can both cause popeye and fin rot.
I looked up how to treat aeromonas bacteria. It sounds like in humans, it is used with a combination of Doxycycline and Ciprofloxacin together. I looked up if this is the same for fish, and sure enough, there is Doxycycline and Ciprofloxacin for fish. Now, I am not going to do this as 1. I do not know if it is aeromonas or pseudomonas, and 2. I have already ordered other antibiotics. The other antibiotics I have ordered are from the same site that gave all the information about the aeromonas and pseudomonas, so hopefully their antibiotics will treat just that!
I have a couple of sites where I got my information from that I will link.
Also, here is the site about examining pathogens in fish: Performing a basic examination in fish
Update on Flat Pat:
He is at the bottom of the tank. He's also not eating even with the garlic that I soaked for literally all day (literally, the garlic dried up). I don't know what to do.

I also ordered the API Master Test Kit. My parents said I would have to buy it. So, I did. It should come today. Lately on the forum, I've seen that most people's fish who have been lying at the bottom of the tank have had some traces of ammonia in their tanks. So, I want to make sure that's not the case in my tank.

Hang in there, Flat Pat! Remember, I have a whole planted tank for you planned and everything! Please, don't give up on me.

great that you are getting the test kit and that the meds are ordered! best of luck to him and you!

 

Good luck to you and flat pat! I wish you both the best and hope he makes a speedy recovery soon

 

I made a drawing of Flat Pat since I don't have any photos of him from the time where he was once healthy (I was too depressed to do anything, not even a photo). So here is a drawing (I honestly did this in like 5 minutes, so sorry if it's not that great):


His real name is Patriot because he's red and blue (can't remember if he had white, but I don't think he did), and these were patriotic colors. I called him Pat for short. Then my mom one day noted he looked flat, like 2-dimensional, so we started calling him Flat Pat.

If you'll notice, I gave him a little smile. (It's hard to see with his blue color).

I'll touch up this drawing later.

 

That's a great drawing! And thanks for giving me creds haha but honestly I just tell as many people as will listen about that site because I think it's such an amazing resource, there's like a library's worth of knowledge on it.

That's really clever of you to figure out about the bacteria as well. I never thought to do that, and you've actually taught me a few things in this thread. For example, I was worried my Betta had fish tb- but I didn't know prolonged antibiotic use could cause chronic fungal infections, two things my betta has had to deal with. So that's really good to know.

That's a very creative way to think about bacteria and linking it to human infections and meds. You shouldn't be too hard on yourself, you seem very smart and I think you have the potential to be a very competent fish keeper. I hope you stay in the hobby for a while, i could see you becoming very knowledgeable, and I appreciate having you on the site in any case.

Good luck with Flat Pat, feel free to message me if you have any questions or ideas you want to bounce off me. I don't have all the answers, but I promise it won't bother me so at least I can help with things you are worried aren't important enough to post a thread for but are still needing to ask about

 

That's a great drawing! And thanks for giving me creds haha but honestly I just tell as many people as will listen about that site because I think it's such an amazing resource, there's like a library's worth of knowledge on it.

That's really clever of you to figure out about the bacteria as well. I never thought to do that, and you've actually taught me a few things in this thread. For example, I was worried my Betta had fish tb- but I didn't know prolonged antibiotic use could cause chronic fungal infections, two things my betta has had to deal with. So that's really good to know.

That's a very creative way to think about bacteria and linking it to human infections and meds. You shouldn't be too hard on yourself, you seem very smart and I think you have the potential to be a very competent fish keeper. I hope you stay in the hobby for a while, i could see you becoming very knowledgeable, and I appreciate having you on the site in any case.

Good luck with Flat Pat, feel free to message me if you have any questions or ideas you want to bounce off me. I don't have all the answers, but I promise it won't bother me so at least I can help with things you are worried aren't important enough to post a thread for but are still needing to ask about

Thank you so much! The site is AMAZING, I was so blessed you told me about it, I absolutely had to give you credit, especially since it's not something I discovered on my own. I didn't know that prolonged antibiotic use could cause fungal infections either until I read that on that site I linked about examining pathogens in fish!

Thank you SO much, your kind words mean so much to me, you have no idea! I don't see myself as being really smart especially since my former classmates look down upon me. Really?! Because I really appreciate having you on the site too!

Awww, thank you so much for the kind offer and words, I greatly appreciate it!

 

Someone thinks Flat Pat has dropsy, but they can't tell by the photo so they are not 100% sure. I've had 2 people suggest euthanizing him, especially if it is dropsy... (In the thread I made: Lethargic Betta Meaning? | Freshwater Fish Disease and Fish Health Forum | 491745 )

I just don't have the power to euthanize my fish. Honestly... Me... Kill my fish?

My family doesn't believe in euthanizing fish when I asked them. I made the point that we euthanized our Bernese Mountain dog, Otis, when he was in severe pain.

My dad says, "how do you know fish feel pain? Have you ever asked them?" He doesn't believe they feel pain, but agrees with me that it's widely debated.

My family says no to euthanizing (haven't asked my younger sister or older brother yet). Since my family is saying no, I am going along with them.

Part of me just wants to end his pain, but I know if I euthanize him, It's going to have a HUGE emotional impact on me. I don't know if I'd ever get over it. My dad agrees, he could never euthanize a fish either.

Hopefully, I can cure him and I don't need to euthanize him. Even if it does come to the point where I should euthanize him, this is going to sound selfish, I don't think I will euthanize him because of how it will affect me.

 

Someone thinks Flat Pat has dropsy, but they can't tell by the photo so they are not 100% sure. I've had 2 people suggest euthanizing him, especially if it is dropsy... (In the thread I made: Lethargic Betta Meaning? | Freshwater Fish Disease and Fish Health Forum | 491745 )

I just don't have the power to euthanize my fish. Honestly... Me... Kill my fish?

My family doesn't believe in euthanizing fish when I asked them. I made the point that we euthanized our Bernese Mountain dog, Otis, when he was in severe pain.

My dad says, "how do you know fish feel pain? Have you ever asked them?" He doesn't believe they feel pain, but agrees with me that it's widely debated.

My family says no to euthanizing (haven't asked my younger sister or older brother yet). Since my family is saying no, I am going along with them.

Part of me just wants to end his pain, but I know if I euthanize him, It's going to have a HUGE emotional impact on me. I don't know if I'd ever get over it. My dad agrees, he could never euthanize a fish either.

Hopefully, I can cure him and I don't need to euthanize him. Even if it does come to the point where I should euthanize him, this is going to sound selfish, I don't think I will euthanize him because of how it will affect me.

I did look at the thread you mentioned it does look like possible dropsy.... do his scales look raised at all?
I have experienced dropsy twice the first time with a seemingly heathy fish she would rest on the bottom a lot more in the beiging and slowy got worse from there then she died a few months later.

a second time my betta had mouth fungus and died a few days after...
Fishstery did sucsessfully treat dropsy though so it is possible! here is th thread he made Betta with possible dropsy? (Unsure-help) | Freshwater Fish Disease and Fish Health Forum | 488303 there where a few others made including how to treat pop eye so you might find them helpful

good luck though!

 

I did look at the thread you mentioned it does look like possible dropsy.... do his scales look raised at all?
I have experienced dropsy twice the first time with a seemingly heathy fish she would rest on the bottom a lot more in the beiging and slowy got worse from there then she died a few months later.

a second time my betta had mouth fungus and died a few days after...
Fishstery did sucsessfully treat dropsy though so it is possible! here is th thread he made Betta with possible dropsy? (Unsure-help) | Freshwater Fish Disease and Fish Health Forum | 488303 there where a few others made including how to treat pop eye so you might find them helpful

good luck though!

Thank you for the feedback, I greatly appreciate it. I am so sorry to hear you have dealt with dropsy and fish loss as a result. That's never easy. Thank you so much for providing the thread, I greatly appreciate it!

I can't believe he has dropsy. Some people are saying "euthanize," some people on the forum are saying "wait, try to treat him," my family is saying don't euthanize. There's also the option of giving him a break and not doing anything, but I worry he'll get worse.

People are recommending I do Epsom salt baths and Kanaplex. I just finished up with Kanaplex treatment! Oh well, whatever needs to be done. I don't know if I have Epsom salt... I also worry he won't tolerate the bath very well...

On top of it, the parameters are WAY out of whack from the antibiotics. HELP, Parameters Out of Whack, No Wonder my Betta is Dying | Aquarium Water Forum | 491631

It was just the other day I added an Indian almond leaf and got an extra large betta leaf hammock for him. Not the regular size, but the extra large one because he's extra special.

I have a whole planted tank planned for him. He's probably not going to get to see it. This makes me cry.

 

This is all getting extremely confusing now as you have so many posts on the same topic on a number of threads, members are having to cross post confusing the issue further. Please keep all the questions about the same issue on one thread, your questions on euthanasia should be kept on some posts have been moved over

 

This is all getting extremely confusing now as you have so many posts on the same topic on a number of threads, members are having to cross post confusing the issue further. Please keep all the questions about the same issue on one thread, your questions on euthanasia should be kept on some posts have been moved over

I'm so sorry. I won't post anything anymore or ask anymore questions on Flat Pat. I'll figure this out on my own. When he dies, I plan to update people on the previous threads I have created if that's okay, but I promise that that'll be it, I won't post anything else. I'll figure the rest of this out on my own. I'll be quiet now. I'm so sorry for all the trouble I have caused. I just posted on this thread how I've accidentally annoyed all the mods, and now there's proof of it right here for everyone to see. All I can say is I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please forgive me.

 

Hi if you need to ask questions then please continue to do so, we’re all here to help you but we can help you best if you keep all questions on one issue in the same thread. Posting multiple threads may not get you the best advice & can even be detrimental to your fish as members may be advising conflicting meds/treatments, help us to help you, we only want what’s best for you & your fish

 

Hi if you need to ask questions then please continue to do so, we’re all here to help you but we can help you best if you keep all questions on one issue in the same thread. Posting multiple threads may not get you the best advice & can even be detrimental to your fish as members may be advising conflicting meds/treatments, help us to help you, we only want what’s best for you & your fish

Thank you, I appreciate it. Again, I'm so sorry.
I feel like leaving this forum or joining a different one. I don't think I'll join another one though because I'll probably just be another nuisance there too.

I've just annoyed the heck out of everyone on here with all my questions, gotten in trouble by the mods, etc. It's probably best if I leave.

I don't know. Maybe I won't leave. Maybe this is just a temporary feeling. I know I shut down when I get corrected by somebody. In this case, the mods.

I just feel terrible.

Everything is going just awful.

 

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please forgive me.

Again, I'm so sorry.

You have to stop. You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. We understand that your friend is struggling and we truly want to help you. <3 The mods are only saying these things to make things easier for you and for the people replying to your threads. You can ask as many questions as you want regarding Flat Pat, but keeping questions about different topics to their respective threads will make responses much more accurate and efficient. Another thing — I'm not sure if you do already, but make sure to utilize the search on this forum. There is good info dating back to 2005, so while you're waiting for responses or whatever, try using the search bar.

And just to clarify, nothing I wrote is meant to come off as rude in any way. I hope you and your friend get better. <3

 

You have to stop. You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. We understand that your friend is struggling and we truly want to help you. <3 The mods are only saying these things to make things easier for you and for the people replying to your threads. You can ask as many questions as you want regarding Flat Pat, but keeping questions about different topics to their respective threads will make responses much more accurate and efficient. Another thing — I'm not sure if you do already, but make sure to utilize the search on this forum. There is good info dating back to 2005, so while you're waiting for responses or whatever, try using the search bar.

And just to clarify, nothing I wrote is meant to come off as rude in any way. I hope you and your friend get better. <3

Thank you, but I do have to apologize because I’m being a nuisance. I know I ruin everything, but never thought I’d actually be able to ruin things on a fish forum. Everywhere I go I just ruin everything, can’t do anything right, even on a friendly fish forum. I mean really, what’s wrong with me? This forum was probably problem free until I came into existence. Sorry for the vent. I’m just very down.

Thank you so much for the well wishes, Flat Pat and I greatly appreciate it!