60 Gallon Tank Fishless cycle issues? - Page 3

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Harraj128
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mattgirl said:
My thought exactly. Once I started using it I just stuck with it. It takes so much less of it than the one I had used for years.


Be sure to wait the full 24 hours. The ammonia will probably go down to zero sooner than that but we want to make sure the nitrites have too. As you have discovered, it normally takes them longer to go down. I would hate for you to see purple and freak out. :D


Turn the heater off now and let the water start cooling down. I don't know that it makes a bit of difference but to err on the safe side I wouldn't want to drop the tanks temp instantly from 84 to 76. I consider the bacteria a living thing. I don't know that there is such a thing as temp shock for it but I wouldn't take the chance. I wish I had thought to mention this yesterday but never too late.


Zerba danios are great little fish. I love their activity level. I probably wouldn't start with a dozen but I'd have no problem starting with 8. Another one I like are pearl danios. They get a bit bigger than the zebras. When you first see them they look fairly plain but as they get comfortable and start growing you will start seeing their colors start to shimmer and the orange stripe on their back becomes more prominent. Again, I would start with 8 in this size tank.
Hey sorry for late update, so tested water and ammonia and nitrites processed down to 0, nitrates still a nice red so went ahead and did an 75% water change and dosed prime this time.

Will do a full test tomorrow morning before going to the LFS to check all levels once again (particularly the nitrates).

Tomorrow may hopefully be fish day, let's see whats in store :)
 
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Harraj128 said:
Hey sorry for late update, so tested water and ammonia and nitrites processed down to 0, nitrates still a nice red so went ahead and did an 75% water change and dosed prime this time.

Will do a full test tomorrow morning before going to the LFS to check all levels once again (particularly the nitrates).

Tomorrow may hopefully be fish day, let's see whats in store :)
I am so happy for you and for your family. Now the fun part comes. Choosing the fish is a lot more fun than watching a tank cycle :D You done good.
 
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mattgirl said:
I am so happy for you and for your family. Now the fun part comes. Choosing the fish is a lot more fun than watching a tank cycle :D You done good.
We have fish!

Ended up getting 6 neon tetras and 6 zebra danios and they all seem so happy so far as some of the other options were not available due to just coming in and being acclimatised!

So what happens now, daily testing once again or give it a couple days and test levels? I'll try get a photo but the fish are so small and fast :D

Should I daily test now
 
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Since you used both liquid ammonia and fish food I don't expect this tank to experience any ammonia/nitrite spikes now that it has fish in it. Go ahead and run the tests every few days for a week or so just to be sure. As long as you see no ammonia you are fine.

Where are you buying your fish? Chain store? mom and pop type place? Do you know if they quarantine their fish for any length of time before selling? Personally I have never quarantined fish and count myself very lucky to have never brought in a disease by adding new fish. Others are not so lucky and have introduced various illnesses. It seems ich is at the top of the list.

I try to make the transition from store to my tank as peaceful as I can and once in the tank I turn off the light and give them time to calm down and get used to their new home. We are excited when we first get our fish and all we want to do is watch them but it is better for them for us to watch them with the lights(s) off or at least very very dim.

I would love to see a photo of your tank even if I can't see the fish. Give them time to get settled in before flashing a camera at them. Tomorrow or the next day will be soon enough. Neon tetras do well with foliage they can hang out in. Zebra Danios don't really care. They will swim all over the tank but spend the majority of their time up top.
 
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mattgirl said:
Since you used both liquid ammonia and fish food I don't expect this tank to experience any ammonia/nitrite spikes now that it has fish in it. Go ahead and run the tests every few days for a week or so just to be sure. As long as you see no ammonia you are fine.

Where are you buying your fish? Chain store? mom and pop type place? Do you know if they quarantine their fish for any length of time before selling? Personally I have never quarantined fish and count myself very lucky to have never brought in a disease by adding new fish. Others are not so lucky and have introduced various illnesses. It seems ich is at the top of the list.

I try to make the transition from store to my tank as peaceful as I can and once in the tank I turn off the light and give them time to calm down and get used to their new home. We are excited when we first get our fish and all we want to do is watch them but it is better for them for us to watch them with the lights(s) off or at least very very dim.

I would love to see a photo of your tank even if I can't see the fish. Give them time to get settled in before flashing a camera at them. Tomorrow or the next day will be soon enough. Neon tetras do well with foliage they can hang out in. Zebra Danios don't really care. They will swim all over the tank but spend the majority of their time up top.
So I'm buying it from a Aquatics specialist chain, not a mama and papas type chain. As far as I'm aware they do quarantine them hence why I couldn't buy cardinals as it was under some sort of "acclimatisation".

So here's attached a photo of my tank and a zoom up of one of the zebra danios hiding near my filter outlet! It's a fake planted tank but I'm planning to convert it to real plants eventually as I regret using fake plants now :(
 
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I think you did the right thing starting out with artificial plants. Live plants bring on a whole new set of issues. Once this tank is firmly established you may or may not want to gradually switch over to live plants. I was in the hobby many years before I made the switch. To be perfectly honest if I had known then what I know now I would have stuck with the artificial plants.

Before live plants I had never had to deal with snails or black beard algae. If my artificial plants needed cleaning I could pull them out, bleach them back to looking new and put them back. There are days when I am very tempted to pull all the live ones out of there and go back to a simpler time. Some folks add live plants and never have a minutes trouble with them. That hasn't been my experience with them.

By the way, I have now embraced snails. I have both pet and pest now. Ramshorn and assassins to keep the number of ramshorns down. The pets are mystery and rabbit snails. Sadly nerites didn't fair well for me. Snails really are fascinating creatures. :D
 
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You tank set up is beautiful! Very nice! I have been following this thread from the beginning and thrilled everything has worked out well...Gorgeous aquarium!
 
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mattgirl said:
I think you did the right thing starting out with artificial plants. Live plants bring on a whole new set of issues. Once this tank is firmly established you may or may not want to gradually switch over to live plants. I was in the hobby many years before I made the switch. To be perfectly honest if I had known then what I know now I would have stuck with the artificial plants.

Before live plants I had never had to deal with snails or black beard algae. If my artificial plants needed cleaning I could pull them out, bleach them back to looking new and put them back. There are days when I am very tempted to pull all the live ones out of there and go back to a simpler time. Some folks add live plants and never have a minutes trouble with them. That hasn't been my experience with them.

By the way, I have now embraced snails. I have both pet and pest now. Ramshorn and assassins to keep the number of ramshorns down. The pets are mystery and rabbit snails. Sadly nerites didn't fair well for me. Snails really are fascinating creatures. :D
Haha yeah tbh as you said it does add its own problems so it'll defo be thinking long and hard about it. I was thinking of very lightly planting more so to help remove nitrates naturally due to the presence of some nitrates in my tap water.

Oh wow snails I'm not sure how I'd handle them and it defo seems like you have your hands full with that battle :D

I think everyone's experiences are different ofc but until you try it you never know right!

The family love the fish but alot of comments on how small the fish are were made. You can't please them can you!

If I want to start a basic thread about just my aquarium in general talking about stocking, and just general stuff Where's the best place to post? Do. You also have a thread as would love to see your tank!
Strider1520 said:
You tank set up is beautiful! Very nice! I have been following this thread from the beginning and thrilled everything has worked out well...Gorgeous aquarium!
Thank you so much Strider, all credit goes to my wife who actually decorated and picked out everything, and then I just arranged it where I thought would look best! I'm glad you enjoyed this thread and appreciate your kind words :)
 
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Haha yeah tbh as you said it does add its own problems so it'll defo be thinking long and hard about it. I was thinking of very lightly planting more so to help remove nitrates naturally due to the presence of some nitrates in my tap water.
If water changes don't keep your nitrates as low as you would like for them to be run some nitra-zorb in your filter. It will pull them out of there.

Oh wow snails I'm not sure how I'd handle them and it defo seems like you have your hands full with that battle :D
It was a battle for a while. Once I got a handle on them in my 55 gallon I realized they do have a place in our hobby. They can be a great clean up crew in manageable numbers.

I think everyone's experiences are different ofc but until you try it you never know right!
Absolutely right. Some folks throw plants in their tanks and they grow beautifully. Most plants didn't appreciate my very soft almost mineral free tap water so I lost a lot to begin with. Once I discovered the problem and kinda fixed it I started having a bit more success and then the black beard algae got a foot hold. Oh well, such is life. :D

The family love the fish but alot of comments on how small the fish are were made. You can't please them can you!
Just like kids the fish will grow :D

If I want to start a basic thread about just my aquarium in general talking about stocking, and just general stuff Where's the best place to post? Do. You also have a thread as would love to see your tank!
Start one over in the Freshwater Aquarium Discussion Forum This area covers a wide range of subjects.

I have a few photos floating around the forum but none of my tanks are anything special. Check out I finally have Shrimp in my Bowl | Cherry Shrimp Forum | 459267 and My Very First Planted Tank | Freshwater Fish and Tank Photos Forum | 420123
Both have filled in quite a bit since I snapped the photos
 
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Harraj128 said:
Haha yeah tbh as you said it does add its own problems so it'll defo be thinking long and hard about it. I was thinking of very lightly planting more so to help remove nitrates naturally due to the presence of some nitrates in my tap water.

Oh wow snails I'm not sure how I'd handle them and it defo seems like you have your hands full with that battle :D

I think everyone's experiences are different ofc but until you try it you never know right!

The family love the fish but alot of comments on how small the fish are were made. You can't please them can you!

If I want to start a basic thread about just my aquarium in general talking about stocking, and just general stuff Where's the best place to post? Do. You also have a thread as would love to see your tank!


Thank you so much Strider, all credit goes to my wife who actually decorated and picked out everything, and then I just arranged it where I thought would look best! I'm glad you enjoyed this thread and appreciate your kind words :)
I think that he ultimate achievement of an aquarist is to have a , Salt water or Fresh water is to have a nice reef aquarium or a planted tank. At least that is mine. Good Luck. The snails it's just part of the nature of fresh water aquarium. If you go with plants, don't rush to kill of the snails, I been there, done that, regretted. Thx.
 
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Harraj128

I'm Only here to see if your tank processed the ammonia and if you finally got some fish yesterday? :D
 
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Jo7984 said:
Harraj128

I'm Only here to see if your tank processed the ammonia and if you finally got some fish yesterday? :D
Hey Jo! Yes it processed it and we now have 12 little fishes swimming around!!

6 gold zebra danios and 6 neon tetras :)
 
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Ah that's fantastic :)

Would love to see pics if you have any time.
 
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Jo7984 said:
Ah that's fantastic :)

Would love to see pics if you have any time.
I will try and take some today when I switch on the lights, they seem less shy today so should hopefully get some decent ones :D
 
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Jo7984 said:
Ah that's fantastic :)

Would love to see pics if you have any time.
Attached a couple :) hard to photograph as they're so tiny!

Also I tested the water today! No ammonia no nitrites and 20ppm nitrates! Will do a 15% water change this weekend as part of maintenance but I think my tank is coping really well!
 
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Guys something bad has happened :( I just lost one of my danios and I have no idea how! Levels are fine...I couldn't find my 6th danios anywhere I thought it had jumped out the tank but checked behind and saw nothing. Eventually picked up one of the artificial plants and it just popped out of there.

I'm actually so sad this has happened... Attached photos of the fish so look at your discretion.. What concerns me is the large belly on it compared to the rest. Any ideas?

mattgirl
 
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This is the very sad down side of this hobby. It isn't unusual for us to lose some fish shortly after getting them. I have to think it is because of what they have gone through to get to us. Some are just not strong enough and we end up losing them.

Most of them go from breeder to supplier, from supplier to store and then from store to us. All of this usually happens in a very short period of time. I am amazed that any of them survive. Think of all the times they are netted, bagged up and for the most part unceremoniously dumped in new and different water with no acclimation along the way.

You have provided them a great home and acclimated them to fresh clean water. Hopefully all the others will survive.

I had a very hard time getting a shoal of neon tetras. Each time I would add more to up the numbers I would lose some of the new ones and some of the originals. I had finally decided i wasn't going to get any more. One day I noticed some for sale here in the B.S,T,F section. I ended up with 13 from that purchase to go with the 5 I already had. Here it is a couple of years later and I am now back down to 5. I will buy no more. I had the same bad luck with blood fin tetras.

I have had the biggest success with Black Skirt Tetras. I was fortunate to find the long finned variety. The fins aren't so long they impede the fishes ability to swim but really add to how gracefully they swim through the water. I lose most tetras within a couple of years but these little guys just keep on keeping on. They are well over 5 years old now. I started with 6 Dec. 2015. I only have 4 now. I lost one at about 3 years and lost another just a couple of months ago. I want to add more but fear adding more might harm my old guys.

Plecos, corys, cherry shrimp in a bowl and various species of snails also thrive in my tanks. :) As you go along you will find fish that thrive in your tanks and then there will be those that just don't. We have to find what works well with our specific water.
 
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mattgirl said:
This is the very sad down side of this hobby. It isn't unusual for us to lose some fish shortly after getting them. I have to think it is because of what they have gone through to get to us. Some are just not strong enough and we end up losing them.

Most of them go from breeder to supplier, from supplier to store and then from store to us. All of this usually happens in a very short period of time. I am amazed that any of them survive. Think of all the times they are netted, bagged up and for the most part unceremoniously dumped in new and different water with no acclimation along the way.

You have provided them a great home and acclimated them to fresh clean water. Hopefully all the others will survive.

I had a very hard time getting a shoal of neon tetras. Each time I would add more to up the numbers I would lose some of the new ones and some of the originals. I had finally decided i wasn't going to get any more. One day I noticed some for sale here in the B.S,T,F section. I ended up with 13 from that purchase to go with the 5 I already had. Here it is a couple of years later and I am now back down to 5. I will buy no more. I had the same bad luck with blood fin tetras.

I have had the biggest success with Black Skirt Tetras. I was fortunate to find the long finned variety. The fins aren't so long they impede the fishes ability to swim but really add to how gracefully they swim through the water. I lose most tetras within a couple of years but these little guys just keep on keeping on. They are well over 5 years old now. I started with 6 Dec. 2015. I only have 4 now. I lost one at about 3 years and lost another just a couple of months ago. I want to add more but fear adding more might harm my old guys.

Plecos, corys, cherry shrimp in a bowl and various species of snails also thrive in my tanks. :) As you go along you will find fish that thrive in your tanks and then there will be those that just don't. We have to find what works well with our specific water.
Yeah I think it's just sad as it also makes me fearful for the others. Thankfully the kids were at school and didn't have to see what had happened :(

As there has been a death in the tank should I do a small water change tonight?
I think that's just it, it's trial and error which is unfortunate as I'd hope all little fishes would survive till their lifespan but as you said its unfortunately the fact they've probably experienced alot of trauma being hauled in and out of places! I wonder if also I should look for a less chain store and find a standalone fish keeper, maybe even an online store? Would the quality/life of fish be better?
 
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Yeah I think it's just sad as it also makes me fearful for the others. Thankfully the kids were at school and didn't have to see what had happened :(
Hopefully they will understand that this does happen. I don't like it but have excepted it as just the downside to this hobby.

As there has been a death in the tank should I do a small water change tonight?
I think that's just it, it's trial and error which is unfortunate as I'd hope all little fishes would survive till their lifespan but as you said its unfortunately the fact they've probably experienced alot of trauma being hauled in and out of places! I wonder if also I should look for a less chain store and find a standalone fish keeper, maybe even an online store? Would the quality/life of fish be better?
I don't think a water change is necessary. You have grown enough bacteria in this tank to handle the small spike you might have experienced had you not found the body and removed it.

It sounds to me like the store you got your fish from do take care of the fish they receive and somewhat quarantine or at least don't sell immediately after receiving them so sticking with them might be the best way to get your future fish. I have lost fish both bought locally and also those shipped to me so I can't say for sure which way is best.

If you have local breeders that would be the best but they may not be breeding the kind of fish you want. You will just have to look around and see what's available. Hopefully someone on your other thread will be able to recommend species of fish that aren't as delicate as a lot of the smaller danios and tetras are.
 
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Aww no :(
Sorry you lost a fish. It's never nice when it happens.
Ive lost some in the past too.
I usually just buy from Pets At Home as there are no local smaller fish stores beside me. I sometimes think it's just the luck of the draw.

I've got some fish being posted to me this week and I'm really worried for them!!
 

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