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Fish Rescue....

Discussion in 'More Freshwater Aquarium Topics' started by CaptainAquatics, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

    Hi! I just got back from my LFS and I saved some of there rosy red minnows (there feeder fish). Ima QT these guys then they are going in my 55 community tank (I wanted a large school of fish in there and I figure these guys are cheap and I can save them from being eaten): image.jpg What do you think? I rescued 13 of them (there is a mix of rosy red minnows and their wild counterpart, fathead minnows)
     
  2. Skullkong101Valued MemberMember

    Could be a cool tank and sight!

    Edit: keep me updated on these guys if you make a tank i would like to see this.
     




  3. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

    Hi! I have the tank they will go in (after QT) already. They will be going in my community tank (I wanted a large school of fish and thought these guys would be a cool addition): image.jpg
     




  4. Skullkong101Valued MemberMember

    They seem like they would do fine in that tank, only thing is worry about is them being bullied. But that's unlikely.
     




  5. RtessyFishlore VIPMember

    Treat for internal parasites!!
    I bought 50 something of these guys, I've got 8 now, 27 died in 2 days. Be prepared to lose a lot of them, not much you can do.
    They are a great fish once they get settled though!
     
  6. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

    They are in QT and I already put in a “general” treatment medication. It also helps boost their slime coat which is nice :)
     
  7. WinterSoldier.Well Known MemberMember

    I bought something like 8-10 feeder endlers. Only one survived. Be prepared for causlites
     
  8. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

  9. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

    Hi! All the minnows seem to be doing well. I will update in the morning as well :)
     
  10. MamaLlama76Valued MemberMember

    Rosy Reds are a cool water fish (usually kept on a separate system in fish stores with the goldfish, from the tropical fish.) They prefer their water from about 60/63 degrees F to around 75ish. I wouldn't keep them with any fish that prefer water temps in the 80's F, as the warm temps can make cool water fish more disease prone. You can lose them to heat stress the closer you get to 80 degrees, for various reasons. If you notice them gasping at the surface, the water is probably too warm and doesn't have enough dissolved oxygen in it. Just something to be aware of and keep an eye on. There can be many other things going on with any fish species from illness to parasites to poor water quality. But typically the warmer the water, the less the oxygen for the fish to breathe is in it and warm water fish need fairly warm water ( with more water circulation to grab oxygen from air and dissolve it in water) and cooler water loses less oxygen from evaporation and can sometimes tolerate less agitation of water in general. Where I live in SD, farmers will buy rosy reds/ goldfish/feeder guppies and toss a bunch in livestock ponds to eat algae and mosquito larvae, so their cattle/sheep or horses have few mosquitoes preying on them. Obviously these ponds are at whatever the ambient water temperatures are at and some live/some are prey to frogs, turtles, birds etc. Sometimes pelicans drop larger fish like bass or sun fish in the same pond. Nature balances it out and hopefully you have fewer mosquitoes biting people and livestock, spreading mosquito borne diseases.
     
  11. RtessyFishlore VIPMember

    Rosy reds are temperate, not cold water, so they're good at most temperatures (50-85 preferred, survive 32-100). Good things to address about keeping fish at the wrong temperate though ):
     
  12. MamaLlama76Valued MemberMember

    I said cool, not cold and the temps I gave were between yours. Can they survive colder and hotter, probably so. Will they be stressed by hotter or colder, most likely. Where is the fish most comfortable with the temperature somewhere in the 60's to 70's, comfortable fish thrive and very stressed ones usually don't or you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get them health again or deal withthe human heartache of loss factor. If you are type to grieve you fishy friends when they pass away, you learn to keep them in conditions that they are most happy in and everybody in the family wins, whether they have gills or not. :happy:
     
  13. CaptainAquaticsWell Known MemberMember

    Hi! I understand the temp range of these feeder fish. I keep most of my aquariums at 76 degrees as it is a generally good temp for most tropical fish (which is the main kind of fish I own). It may be on the higher range for these minnows but I do treat ALL my fish as family. I will ensure that the fish is happy, healthy, and is thriving, if they aren’t doing well I will adjust so they can thrive :)
     
  14. RtessyFishlore VIPMember

    Cold water fish and temperate fish experience health issues when kept outside of their preferred temperate ranges, which are very limited. "Cool" water fish are not really a thing. Temperate fish have a very wide range that they thrive in, such as Rosy red minnows and goldfish. Both live perfectly fine up to 80-85 and will not have increased disease succeptibility or discomfort. They will have higher metabolisms, and that is all. Same goes for keeping them in cooler water, no increased disease succeptibility, and no behavioral changes. I would not have mentioned it if I had not kept Rosy reds at those temperatures and observed no increase in disease succeptibility and no behavioral changes. They literally do not care and still thrive. They can survive colder and warmer, but they will have increased disease succeptibility and behavioral changes outside of 50-85, not outside of 60-70. Don't get me wrong, I love my fish, but they couldn't care less if they were at 70 or 80.
     
  15. MamaLlama76Valued MemberMember

    Don't know if this book is still in print or not (perhaps people can find it at local libraries if it isn't or do inter-library loan to find it or find a copy on ebay or amazon.) Handbook of Tropical Aquarium Fishes by Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod and Dr. Leonard P. Schultz is an excellent information resource for anybody who keeps fish and wants to learn more in depth about fish. I bought my copy 20 or so years ago (it was originally published in 1955 and my copy is a 1990 revised copy) when I was in my early 20's and still in college, working at what was then my local PetSmart (Independence, Missouri and PetSmart was fairly new as a company and pretty focused on employee education and having team members on staff that actually cared about their fish hobbiest/fish keeping customers... not just getting a bunch of $ out of newbies and moving on.) I was among the group of first hires while they were still physically building that store (concrete and bricks). It was a book my dept. manager (who also kept fish and was over the whole fish, reptile, bird department) recommended for me to nerd out on. Some of the feeding info in it was way out of date then, and the hobby has certainly come a long way since it was originally written, but the latter half is mostly an encyclopedia of fish species and their care needs which is helpful.

    I was working on becoming the store aquatic plant expert and go to person for fish at that time and becoming a dog trainer (which is one of the things I now do at home, raising and training service dogs for people with autism and other disabilities. While raising sheep, horses chickens/ducks, a big garden and homeschooling 3 kids.)
     
  16. MamaLlama76Valued MemberMember

    That's great! I am wishing you all the best in this. I have often considered getting some myself, but decided against it because they love a large school and I don't have aquariums for that, since I moved from home after college and my baby brother stole my big tank for his snake. Haven't gotten them for our natural farm pond because I'd feel horrible if they couldn't over-winter in our -20 F South Dakota winters. Glad you took them home and are making a real home for them. So few get that opportunity.
     
  17. scarfaceFishlore VIPMember

    Just so you're aware, these guys can get fairly large, 4-5", and have the same voracious appetite as their larger cousin, the goldfish.

    As far as temperature, they should be fine. They're native in my area (probably most of the east coast), and see them a lot.
     
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