"Fish" or "fishes", "school" or '"shoal"?

Amnagrla
  • #1
I have found an article on wikipedia.org. I searched for "fish" and this was one of the topics. I found it interesting.... I thought you might, too!

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"Fish" or "fishes", "school" or '"shoal"?

Though often used interchangeably, these pairs of words actually mean different things. Fish is used either as singular noun or to describe a group of specimens from a single species. Fishes describes a group containing more than one species.
Hence, as plurals, these words could be used thus:

~My aquarium contains three different fishes: guppies, platies, and swordtails.
~The North Atlantic stock of Gadus morhua is estimated to contain several million fish.

A random assemblage of fishes merely using some localised resource such as food or nesting sites is known simply as an aggregation. When fish come together in an interactive, social grouping, then they may be forming either a shoal or a school depending on the degree of organisation. A shoal is a loosely organised group where each fish swims and forages independently but is attracted to other members of the group and adjusts its behaviour, such as swimming speed, so that it remains close to the other members of the group. Schools of fish are much more tightly organised, synchronising their swimming so that all fish move at the same speed and in the same direction. Shoaling and schooling behaviour is believed to provide a variety of advantages (see article on swarming, the term used to cover such behaviours in animals).

Cichlids congregating at lekking sites form an aggregation.
Many minnows and characins form shoals.
Classic examples of schooling fish are anchovies, herrings, and silversides.

It should be noted that while school and shoal have different meanings within biology, they are often treated as synonyms by non-specialists, with speakers of British English using "shoal" to describe any grouping of fish, while speakers of American English often using "school" just as loosely.
 
Neville
  • #2
hey Amanda!
that's some really interesting information u got . I didn't know the difference between these things. Thanks.
 
armadillo
  • #3
Thanks, Amanda. Interesting.

Although I'd feel funny referring to the contents of my community tank as fishes (I say fish to mean all of them, although there's multiple species).
 
Amnagrla
  • Thread Starter
  • #4
lol I hear ya. Just thought it was helpful to know.

I think I'm going to sticky it for a little bit (not forever... maybe a month or less) so other people see it.
 
COBettaCouple
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lol I hear ya. Just thought it was helpful to know.

I think I'm going to sticky it for a little bit (not forever... maybe a month or less) so other people see it.
you're not going to sticky it until the oceans run dry and the stars go dim? :'(
 
Amnagrla
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
lol unless people WANT me too!?

I just figure, if we keep up with the amount of stickied subjects we do a month.... there will be 10,000 stickied topics!!
 
armadillo
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True, we have to watch it a it, or everything under the sun will get stickied. Me? Am all for grand sticky schemes like caresheets and photos! One brooooooad sweep ;D
 
COBettaCouple
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True, we have to watch it a it, or everything under the sun will get stickied. Me? Am all for grand sticky schemes like caresheets and photos! One brooooooad sweep ;D

I think you must have had a pet post-it notes tablet as a child. :;a
 
Butterfly
  • #9
Very interesting information
Carol
 
Xenomorph
  • #10
You could always make a shoal of loosly related interesting articles into one sticky
 
COBettaCouple
  • #11
yes.. I think that I must've gone to shoal instead of school.
 
Cody
  • #12
I love some of the things you find on the internet..thanks for sharing
 
Amnagrla
  • Thread Starter
  • #13
lol thanks!
 
Lorekeeper
  • #14
So maybe this is a regional thing, or maybe one is more correct than the other... idk.

But is the plural of fish "fish" or "fishes"? Personally, I've always said "fish" and when I hear someone saying "fishes" a tiny part of my being shrivels up and dies. Just thought it'd be fun to get an answer to this one!
 
Gekco
  • #15
The plural can be both, fish or fishes. I use fish though.
 
_IceFyre_
  • #16
I think the proper plural is fish and I hear that being used way more often than fishes, at least in my area. I agree, it bothers me whenever someone says fishes for some reason.
 
bizaliz3
  • #17
I only say fishes if I'm talking about a fisherman who fishes.

Or I'll say "fish's" if I'm talking about something that belongs to my fish.

As far as I was aware the proper plural form is fish.....
 
Gekco
  • #18
It's just like deer, the plural is deer.
 
Lorekeeper
  • #19
See, I never hear anyone say fishes here in KY. But when we make trips down to Florida, Georgia and Alabama, I hear a mixture of both. I also see "fishes" on the forum as well... it makes me physically uncomfortable when I see it! It's even worse than the soda vs. pop argument! (it's pop)
 
James17
  • #20
I have always used fish as both, but what about Moose and don't even get me started on Mice. Makes my head hurt.
 
bizaliz3
  • #21
I have always used fish as both, but what about Moose and don't even get me started on Mice. Makes my head hurt.

Or octopus
 
The Crayfish King
  • #22
See, I never hear anyone say fishes here in KY. But when we make trips down to Florida, Georgia and Alabama, I hear a mixture of both. I also see "fishes" on the forum as well... it makes me physically uncomfortable when I see it! It's even worse than the soda vs. pop argument! (it's pop)

*soda
 
_IceFyre_
  • #24
I have literally never heard anyone say soda, but I'm Canadian so that's probably why lol.
 
AngelTheGypsy
  • #25
See, I never hear anyone say fishes here in KY. But when we make trips down to Florida, Georgia and Alabama, I hear a mixture of both. I also see "fishes" on the forum as well... it makes me physically uncomfortable when I see it! It's even worse than the soda vs. pop argument! (it's pop)


And here in Texas we say coke, no matter what flavor!

Him: You wanna coke?

Me: Sure, bring me a Dr. Pepper

(Cuz, ya know, everyone in TX drinks Dr. Pepper )
 
Lorekeeper
  • #26
The coke thing is even worse! Lol, it's even less common around here. I have a lot of family from Florida, so the "soda" argument is a regular thing around the house.

If you ask for a soda around here, you'll either get a very confused look, a root beer, or a cream soda. The only time I ever say the despicable word is when I'm talking about fruity pops. So "orange soda", or "cream soda", or "grape soda". Other than that, its a cuss word round here!
 
aquatickeeper
  • #27
In California, the plural for fish is always "fish", and "fishes" is a grammer mistake. Same with sheep
 
BottomDweller
  • #28
I hear people saying fishes all the time, it really annoys me. I always say fish unless it's something belonging to the fish
 
MyFishFillet
  • #29
Fishes is used when referring to multiple species (or DIFFERENT groups) of fish. ex/ There are a lot fishes in the great lakes.
Fish is used when more than one fish of the same species is being referred too.

Likewise to 'peoples'
when referring to multiple different groups of people, 'peoples' is used. But people is used to refer to a group of persons.

Sorry, I major in Wildlife Conservation and was taught this lol. also, I am pretty sure the 'peoples' analogy is correct but I'm not 100% sure

So in short, 'fishes' is used more in the scientific community
 
Lorekeeper
  • #30
Fishes is used when referring to multiple species (or DIFFERENT multiple groups) of fish. ex/ There are a lot fishes in the great lakes.
Fish is used when more than one fish of the same species is being referred too.

Likewise to 'peoples'
when referring to multiple different groups of people, 'peoples' is used. But people is used to refer to a group of persons.

Sorry, I major in Wildlife Conservation and was taught this lol. also, I am pretty sure the 'peoples' analogy is correct but I'm not 100% sure
While it may be correct, it still grinds against my ears. So does "peoples".
 
MyFishFillet
  • #31
While it may be correct, it still grinds against my ears. So does "peoples".
Yeah, it did annoy me at first as well lol but I have gotten use to it. English grammar may not sound correct some times but it may actually be correct
 
leviathan
  • #32
Virginia votes for soda and fish. Coke and Dr Pepper are just fine
 
aquatickeeper
  • #33
From all this time, I thought "fishes" was something to be edited out in a document.
 
Lorekeeper
  • #34
Yeah, it did annoy me at first as well lol but I have gotten use to it. English grammar may not sound correct some times but it may actually be correct
Eh, to each their own!

Virginia votes for soda and fish. Coke and Dr Pepper are just fine
Really? I figured with Virginia being so close (and similar!) to Kentucky you'd be pop drinkers too! And when I said no coke earlier, I didn't mean that we don't drink coke. We drink coke, but if you hand my grandpa a pepsI when he asked for a coke, you'll probably get it thrown back at your face... The people of Appalachia aren't very tolerant, to say the least.
 
Sarah73
  • #35
fish means multiple fish. I use fishies when i'm talking about mine. Just me haha
 
MyFishFillet
  • #36
From all this time, I thought "fishes" was something to be edited out in a document.
If in the incorrect context it should be, but the general public, fish will be excepted
 
chromedome52
  • #37
I've always used both in the appropriate circumstances. In scientific literature you are often looking at the relationships of many groups, so fishes is used quite often. Many books have fishes in the title, e.g., Cichlid Fishes of Western Africa. Both can grate on my ears when used incorrectly. It really isn't that hard to understand the difference.
 
KimberlyG
  • #38
I'm from near Chicago, so "Swimming with the Fishes" is kind of common.
 
AngelTheGypsy
  • #39
Fishes is used when referring to multiple species (or DIFFERENT groups) of fish. ex/ There are a lot fishes in the great lakes.
Fish is used when more than one fish of the same species is being referred too.

Likewise to 'peoples'
when referring to multiple different groups of people, 'peoples' is used. But people is used to refer to a group of persons.

Sorry, I major in Wildlife Conservation and was taught this lol. also, I am pretty sure the 'peoples' analogy is correct but I'm not 100% sure

So in short, 'fishes' is used more in the scientific community

This makes absolute perfect sense! If I ask how many people have lived on, say, the Australian continent, the number would be in the millions. If I ask how many peoples, it would be probably less that 20 or so (just a guess). Such as aborigines, the English, etc.

How many fish are found in Texas? Millions. How many fishes? Hundred thousand or so...bass, carp, crappie, catfish, etc.
 
Sarah73
  • #40
@myfishfellet "Likewise to 'peoples'
when referring to multiple different groups of people, 'peoples' is used. But people is used to refer to a group of persons." A person is one. People mean more than one. peoples is just weird lol
 

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