Fish identification

FinalFins

Hi guys, I managed to snatch a single Laetacara species yesterday at my LFS. It was labeled dorsigera, but I’m suspecting araguaiae, and I’ve received some info about the identification based on the soft dorsal rays from Feohw, but I’d also like to consider more opinions on the exact species.

L. araguaiae or L. dorsigera? Any chance of it being curviceps? It definitely resembles araguaiae but I would like confirmation. Thanks.

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WRWAquarium

Looks like a blue dwarf badis to me. I think you need a fish ID pro!
 
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AggressiveAquatics

chromedome52
 
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MacZ

I tend towards L. curviceps, but not sure.
Do you know how old they are? And how long were they in the tank when you took the pictures?
 
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FinalFins

I tend towards L. curviceps, but not sure.
Do you know how old they are? And how long were they in the tank when you took the pictures?
I don’t know how old it is, it’s about 1.5-2 inches. At the time of photo, they have been in about 2-3 hours.

The last photo/attachment is within the first 30 minutes.
 
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MoshJosh

My first guess would be golden dwarf cichlid, nannacara something. . .
 
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TClare

I have some Laetacara araguaiae that I got recently, they are smaller than yours still but look fairly similar. However I am not sure of the distinguishing features, we need to wait for chromedome52 to confirm.
 
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MacZ

I don’t know how old it is, it’s about 1.5-2 inches. At the time of photo, they have been in about 2-3 hours.

The last photo/attachment is within the first 30 minutes.

Ok, in that case the colouration is still too stressed and pale, for a clear ID take another round of fotos after 3 days.
 
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carsonsgjs

Im going with araguaiae based on the markings behind the eye.
 
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TClare

Just tried to take some photos of mine to compare, but they are not very good ones...
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The patterns do turn on and off a lot according to their mood...
 
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Hellfishguy

Definitely araguaiae; the "sideburns" distinguish them from all other Laetacara species. Pic is of my dominant male that was born in November 2019.
 

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FinalFins

Ok, in that case the colouration is still too stressed and pale, for a clear ID take another round of fotos after 3 days.
Ok, thanks. Ill update in a couple days.
Just tried to take some photos of mine to compare, but they are not very good ones...
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The patterns do turn on and off a lot according to their mood...
Thanks for the photos for comparison! Yours are very pretty.
 
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MacZ


Nice. I dislike the domestic strains very much but lately the wild forms caught my eye more often.
 
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TClare

Nice. I dislike the domestic strains very much but lately the wild forms caught my eye more often.
Yes I know what you mean. Do you think the one in the photo is a female? I got 5 Apistogrammas, wild from Colombia, last year, they were very small and originally sold as A.macmasteri, but as soon as I got them home I realised that two were agassizii, unfortunately they were both males and when I returned to the shop there were definitely no more agassizii in the tank. The others I soon realized were A. cacatuoides, and I initially thought there was a male and two females. The male being the one in my avatar. I have since moved two of them and the one that was left alone has grown a lot and now looks like a male as well. The one in the photo above I have always thought was female, but they have never shown any signs of breeding and now I am not so sure. I returned one of the male agassizii as the other one was extremely dominant and aggressive. I have had them since early august last year and have not had a chance to get any more.
 
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MacZ

Do you think the one in the photo is a female?

With those fins? Definitely a male, albeit a young one. Or a subdominant/sneaker male. But def. not a female.
For any IDs of Apistos best go to the apistogramma Forum. No offense to our resident ID specialists here on Fishlore, but for Apistos I'd always recommend that one.
 
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TClare

With those fins? Definitely a male, albeit a young one. Or a subdominant/sneaker male. But def. not a female.
For any IDs of Apistos best go to the apistogramma Forum. No offense to our resident ID specialists here on Fishlore, but for Apistos I'd always recommend that one.
Interesting, that is what I was beginning to think, though the caudal fin does not have any colour or extensions, must be a sneaky male, perhaps it will develop now it is in a large tank, like the other one did when I took the dominant male out. So I got all males! I am also a member of apistogramma.com, (different name there) and Mike Wise thought I had a pair of cacatuoides. I hope I managed to get a pair of Laetacara and apologies for derailing the original thread.
 
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FinalFins


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Nearly a week later, here’s some photos. I do notice some orange color coming through on its “cheeks” in person which isn’t as well captured by my phone.
 
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chromedome52

Could have sworn I commented on this thread. Yes, the fish is Laetacara araguaiae. I usually identify them by the horizontal rows of dots on the lower flanks.

Before they were described, they were commonly known as "Buckelkopf". There are two color varieties, the older Blue and Gold, and a strain called Purple. I've only had the Purple, though I've seen the other when I couldn't get it. The ones I bred were domestically raised, and they were about as easy as any Laetacara I've had. A few years ago, however, I obtained 10 wild caught young. Inside of 6 months there were only two left, and I was never sure if the smaller one was a female or not. Eventually the larger, definite male killed her. This was in a long 30 gallon tank.

This was the male who spawned for me:

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TClare

Mine have grown quite quickly and are starting to colour up a bit now - though not as impressive as those more mature ones of chromosome52 and Hellfishguy. Two of them are displaying frequently to each other, they are the two biggest and most colourful, so probably two males trying to be dominant, not sure though. Some chasing goes on but no really serious aggression yet. I was trying to get more photos but its difficult to get them in focus and showing their best colours! This is what I managed to get...
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TClare

Just realized the first photo was from last week that I had already posted, the second two are from today. And watching them this evening, the two bigger ones are now spending a lot of time together...
 
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