First time Betta tank set up help needed

Shedzy1985

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Hi, I'm looking at buying the aqua one betta duo tank. As for cycling, if I put the filter sponges in my current established tank for a couple of weeks and siphon the water from my current tank, will it then be ready to add the fish?
 

Pikachu13131

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Get your water tested before you add fish.
 
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Shedzy1985

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Yes I always test the water, was just checking if there was anything else I needed to do with setting it up from scratch.
 

Sarah73

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Is it a 1gal tank?
 

TexasDomer

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Shedzy1985 said:
Hi, I'm looking at buying the aqua one betta duo tank. As for cycling, if I put the filter sponges in my current established tank for a couple of weeks and siphon the water from my current tank, will it then be ready to add the fish?
That tank is too small for one betta, let alone two. 2.5 gal is the minimum tank size for one betta.

If you add media from an established tank to a new one, you want to add fish at the same time or the bacteria will die from the lack of an ammonia source.

Don't add water from your established tank - it won't do anything except add waste.
 

Pikachu13131

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You should get a 15 gallon tank with a divider.
 

TexasDomer

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Even a 10 gal divided will work, and 10 gal tanks are very easy to find and cheap.
 

Annie424

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I'd recommend a minimum of 5G for each fish. If you want 2 bettas and have the space, get 2 10G tanks so they can each have their own. If you get a 10G and divide it (or a 20G long and divide it) try to divide the tank so that they do not have direct line of sight with each other. If they can see each other and are in a divided tank, they might spend all of their time flaring and posturing at each other, which is stressful for them. If you can use media from an already cycled tank in your new one, you can set up the tank and add the fish right away - just make sure you do daily tests for awhile as depending upon the size of the tank you are taking media from, it might take a little while for the bacteria to build up to enough to support the new tank(s).
 

Pikachu13131

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TexasDomer said:
Even a 10 gal divided will work, and 10 gal tanks are very easy to find and cheap.
I think a 15 will be better 10 inches of space isn't very much for a betta a 15 gallon gives two extra inches.
 

Pikachu13131

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TexasDomer said:
Even a 10 gal divided will work, and 10 gal tanks are very easy to find and cheap.
They will also have less problems with a 15
 

TexasDomer

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Pikachu13131 said:
I think a 15 will be better 10 inches of space isn't very much for a betta a 15 gallon gives two extra inches.
Pikachu13131 said:
They will have less problems with a 15 and its a couple inches bigger.
Bigger is most always better, but a 10 gal divided in half is perfectly adequate and healthy for a betta. A 10 gal won't necessarily have more problems than a 15 gal.
 

KyleMarie

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I just recently got my Betta fish about a month ago. At the beginning I had my Bettas in two of the quarantine tanks I had, a one gallon and a 1.5 gallon, and I found out very quickly that there was not enough space for them to explore and have a good time. So, I upgraded them both to their own 5 gallon tanks (one has two African Dwarf Frogs as well). They seem much happier, more active, and more entertained in the bigger tanks. So, I would say that I would either get a 10 gallon divided tank or some 5 gallon tanks for them. My Bettas love the space!
 

Bithimala

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In regards to the cycling, yes, running the sponge filters in your current tank will help seed the media and drastically reduce the time needed to cycle the new tanks, but using the old tank water will do basically nothing.

I'm going to clarify something, I think the size of the tank is ok for two bettas. It's smaller than I would personally do, but it is a 5.3 gallon tank, which gives you about 2-2.5 gallons per betta (depending on how much room that filtration takes up in the back).

I don't, however, think it's worth the price, and I don't like the fact that you can't really change it around if you decide you do want to give your little ones more space later on, but that may just be my personal like of being able to customize things as I go.
 

TexasDomer

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Bithimala said:
In regards to the cycling, yes, running the sponge filters in your current tank will help seed the media and drastically reduce the time needed to cycle the new tanks, but using the old tank water will do basically nothing.

I'm going to clarify something, I think the size of the tank is ok for two bettas. It's smaller than I would personally do, but it is a 5.3 gallon tank, which gives you about 2-2.5 gallons per betta (depending on how much room that filtration takes up in the back).

I don't, however, think it's worth the price, and I don't like the fact that you can't really change it around if you decide you do want to give your little ones more space later on, but that may just be my personal like of being able to customize things as I go.
When I googled it, I saw something very different with a much smaller tank size. Thanks for clarification! I must've been looking at something different.
 

Bithimala

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TexasDomer said:
When I googled it, I saw something very different with a much smaller tank size. Thanks for clarification! I must've been looking at something different.
It took me some hunting
 
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Shedzy1985

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I ended up getting the trio tank yesterday which is 32 litre. I only just saw these replys. I'm worried now :-(
 

Grimund

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Shedzy1985 said:
I ended up getting the trio tank yesterday which is 32 litre. I only just saw these replys. I'm worried now
At least you aren't cramming two betta into a half gallon "betta view" from Walmart

It does give each betta about 2.5 gallons each. While not totally ideal, betta can live in that space. The 8 gallons does offer you more stability in parameters than three individual 2.5 gallon tanks, too.

For spacial reasons, I have my two in 2.5 gal tanks and they still have personality to spare.
 
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Shedzy1985

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Thanks Grimund. The guy at the lfs told me to syphon tank water from my main big tank and squeeze an old filter sponge from the main tank in the new tank water. Then said it would then be ready in about a week. Guessing I should not do this?
 

Grimund

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Nope. Your bacteria needed is pretty much on the filter media itself. Using old tank water only puts water into the tank as well as the waste inside of the other tank. You're better off just adding extra media into the existing tank filter and let it sit there for about a week or two to let the bacteria populate it. On top of that, even if it did give you a decent amount of bacteria by squeezing a sponge, the bacteria would starve without the ammonia/nitrite source.

I would use media designed for bacteria, there's plenty to choose from (bio balls, matrix, etc), or the new filter cartridge and cram it in with the established filter. To prevent/reduce a spike after you've colonized some BB (Beneficial Bacteria), a bacteria supplement is encouraged for the new tank. Just be sure to place the cartridge in when you put your new fish(es) in.

I recommend getting a small hospital tank incase one of them gets sick. It's better to nip a problem in the bud before it gets out of hand with triple the issues.

Edit: how wide is the tank? I'm curious.
 

BellatheBetta

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Use the mature filter media. Leave it running for a couple of weeks and keep adding some sort of good bacteria addative. I would reccomend Tetra 'Safe Start'. Test the water and when good params come up then add the betta(s).
 
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Shedzy1985

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55cm w
25cm d
25cm h
Thanks guys. I'll take out one of my old filter sponges from the big tank (replace it with a new one) I'll put the old sponge in the new tank to run along side the new sponges. And get some bacteria to add. I already have a hospital/nursery tank set up for emergencies :)
 

TexasDomer

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GalaxyGuppies said:
Use the mature filter media. Leave it running for a couple of weeks and keep adding some sort of good bacteria addative. I would reccomend Tetra 'Safe Start'. Test the water and when good params come up then add the betta(s).
You need to add the fish at the same time as the seeded filter media/TSS+ or the bacteria will starve.
 

BellatheBetta

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Thanks TexasDomer for adding that- forgot to say
 

Grimund

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Whoops. I kinda assumed you were going to/running HOB's, but if you're running multiple sponges then that will surely work.
 
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Shedzy1985

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Thanks all :) I'll add the water, old filter sponge and bacteria right before putting the fish in then.
 

Grimund

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Shedzy1985

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I use apI stress coat for my water conditioner. I did try looking for prime but it wasn't available in any of my lfs's. I'm wondering if it's because I'm in the uk? I was debating on using the evolution aqua pure aquarium bacteria balls instead of TSS, do you have any experience with them?
 

Bithimala

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No experience with bacteria balls here. Looking over quickly what I could find online, it looks like they should help out, though I would definitely recommend seeding the media in the other tank too. They don't seem to be an instant start up like TSS, and suggest ongoing usage, which I'm thinking may mean they have a higher concentration of aerobic bacteria that won't continue to survive in the tank.

I'm still not convinced on the cost of the tank, but I'm betting it's going to look beautiful once it's done
 
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Shedzy1985

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I'm going to replace one of the filter sponges in my juwel 3.0 filter system (main established tank) and use the old sponge in the new tank along side the new filter sponges. 50% water from my main tank and 50% fresh water. With the addition of either bacteria balls or tss. I'll add the fish the same day I add the water, used filter sponge, bacteria etc so the good bacteria doesn't die off. Is that everything?
 
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Shedzy1985

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I'm a bit paranoid, it's a bit scary starting a tank from scratch. So nervous!
 

Bithimala

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Other than I wouldn't bother doing the water from the main tank since it will have very little BB, yep, I think that's everything Starting with the seeded media will really be a big help for the cycle. If you want to be a little more gentle on the cycle, you could always do one betta at a time as well instead of adding all 3 at once.

What types are you going to get?
 
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Shedzy1985

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I didn't think of that! Good idea. I've ordered a white and silver double tail and a purple red and white half moon dumbo. I've taken a screen shot from the videos but they aren't the best pics. For the 3rd I plan on a trI colour crowntail :) can you recommend a good food for Bettas?
 

Bithimala

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They are gorgeous. So jealous of the purple dumbo. I want one so bad Mine just gets the Aqueon Betta Food, and seems to like it just fine. He's also a fan of blood worms.
 

littleredridingmech

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I feed NLS Small Fish formula, with bloodworms a few times a week. Fruit flies are interesting but not very... reliably tasty? I guess? One betta loves them and the other has no interest.
 
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Shedzy1985

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Thanks guys :) I'm so excited to get them! Going shopping tomorrow for some bogwood plants etc. I'll put them in my main tank until it's time to set up the tank. Moss balls too, I like those, have them already in my main tank and nursery/hospital lol.
 

Pikachu13131

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Shedzy1985 said:
I didn't think of that! Good idea. I've ordered a white and silver double tail and a purple red and white half moon dumbo. I've taken a screen shot from the videos but they aren't the best pics. For the 3rd I plan on a trI colour crowntail :) can you recommend a good food for Bettas?
Mine will eat any food I put in the tank,but he likes brine shrimp the best he also likes new life spectrum all purpose formula.
 

Grimund

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I feed mine tetra betta plus. I haven't had the extra floating around to try other things or offer a snack.

Deshelled peas are great. Soaked in tank water and cut up real good. It helps with and is a preventative for constipation and swim bladder issues, but offers no nutrition.
 

Annie424

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I feed my bettas pellets, frozen bloodworms/brine shrimp, and occasionally live brine shrimps. I have a planted tank, and also ghost shrimps/mystery snails in both and feed them fresh veggies so can't discount that my bettas might nibble on those occasionally. My schedule is 2-3 days of pellets, one day of frozen foods, then a day of fasting. Over and over, although I will take a few days in a row of feeding the live brine shrimps once a month (I get a very small amount, and feed over the course of about 3-4 days in a row as that's all they will live and be active) then a fast of one or two days days after the live foods are done. Then back to pellets and the regular course. That schedule seems to keep them accepting of the pellets if that is the food they get after a fast. Oh yes, almost forgot...I do notice a reduction in ghost shrimps over the course of a month. Either they are sickly when I get them (ghost shrimps are mostly sold as feeders so don't get the best of care during shipment ) or my bettas go into hunting mode on their fast days.....
 

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