Everything I Need To Know About Angels.

Lunnietic
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Everything I need to know. I will be adoptong these two cuties as soon as their tank comes in....Ive been told that they are Silver Zebra Angels and from what little research Ive done, I have been told a 30 gallon is okay? (I will be getting the tank on Friday)

Any and all helpful information will be useful. Thanks
 

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jess3434
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It depends on the person you ask, I've heard 30 as a minimum and I've heard 60. Is it a 30 tall?
 
Thunder_o_b
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If you are going to keep them in that 30 it is as small as you should go. I have one in a fifty five and think it is too small. But she is a big girl.
 
Mcasella
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They would likely need to be by themselves in a thirty, they are just silver angels, they have four bars (anymore bars would be a zebra, but four bars is silver). They will grow quicker than you think and may get aggressive as they grow, not just to each other but to other fish.
 
Lunnietic
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  • #5
It depends on the person you ask, I've heard 30 as a minimum and I've heard 60. Is it a 30 tall?
Have not ordered the tank yet. Will be ordering it once I get more information on them.

If you are going to keep them in that 30 it is as small as you should go. I have one in a fifty five and think it is too small. But she is a big girl.
What size would you recommend? You can tell their genders?

They would likely need to be by themselves in a thirty, they are just silver angels, they have four bars (anymore bars would be a zebra, but four bars is silver). They will grow quicker than you think and may get aggressive as they grow, not just to each other but to other fish.
I would be fine with them being by themselves in a 30. Do you think they will be happy that way? I don't want them be to aggressive to the point that they are always stressed. The person I am getting them from has them in a rank by themselves. They were in a tank with tiger barbs thay were nipping at them and chasing them. They are in the healing process in a tank by themselves but the girl doesn't want to keep them completely.
 
Greg F
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I would go as big as you can reasonably afford and have space for. A 40 or even better , 55 would work much better for a pair. Most who keep them , including myself , think 29 gallons is the minimum for 1.
 
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Mcasella
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Have not ordered the tank yet. Will be ordering it once I get more information on them.


What size would you recommend? You can tell their genders?


I would be fine with them being by themselves in a 30. Do you think they will be happy that way? I don't want them be to aggressive to the point that they are always stressed. The person I am getting them from has them in a rank by themselves. They were in a tank with tiger barbs thay were nipping at them and chasing them. They are in the healing process in a tank by themselves but the girl doesn't want to keep them completely.
Agree with above, a 40-55 you could do the pair and some community fish that will go well with the angels. You may get lucky and have two angels that don't pair up or angels that just don't care about spawning.
Its best to go as big as you can that way you have the space ready for them before they get 7 inches tall.
 
Lunnietic
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Agree with above, a 40-55 you could do the pair and some community fish that will go well with the angels. You may get lucky and have two angels that don't pair up or angels that just don't care about spawning.
Its best to go as big as you can that way you have the space ready for them before they get 7 inches tall.
I would go as big as you can reasonably afford and have space for. A 40 or even better , 55 would work much better for a pair. Most who keep them , including myself , think 29 gallons is the minimum for 1.

How small of a tank do you think I could have them in until May? I'd love to have them in even a 65 gallon together with some non-angely friends. But j don't have the space for the set up I'd like. I will be moving in May and have full intent in getting them into the largest tank I can get my hands on for a reasonable price.
 
Mcasella
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That's five months, they will be almost mature at that point, or definitely mature - a 30 by themselves will do for that long, but keep up on water changes weekly to make sure they are healthy.
 
Lunnietic
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  • #10
That's five months, they will be almost mature at that point, or definitely mature - a 30 by themselves will do for that long, but keep up on water changes weekly to make sure they are healthy.
I plan on it.
Is there anything super different to keeping them verse other fish? Ive only kept cories and neons so far. I figure after the move the cories can take over the 30 gal and the angels can have a 65 gallon.
 
Mcasella
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I plan on it.
Is there anything super different to keeping them verse other fish? Ive only kept cories and neons so far. I figure after the move the cories can take over the 30 gal and the angels can have a 65 gallon.
Once they mature it is a different playing field if you have females or a male and female, but for the most part they are relatively easy to care for, you just have to watch out for aggression (fin nipping, actual body attacks) - but if they have been together for most of their life they shouldn't bother each other.
 
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bizaliz3
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If its a 3 foot long 30 gallon you could do a small school with the angels in my opinion. And some bottom dwellers. But the 29 gallons are not as long. So if it a standard 29 wouldn't put anything else with them. (Many people say that their 29 gallon tanks are 30 gallons...rounding up I guess...but the actual footprint is more important in my opinion) The extra 6 inches of length you get with a 30 vs a 29 makes a huge difference.
How much space to you have? If you can do a 4 foot tank right now, then do it now instead of later (55 gallon). But if you don't have a 4 foot area at the moment, do you have a 3 foot area? Because both the 30 and the 40 breeder are 3 feet long and suitable for a pair of angels. Of course bigger is always better, so if you can go bigger when you move, definitely do so! But I think a 3 foot tank (30 gallon, 40 gallon breeder, 46 gallon bowfront etc) are perfectly fine for 2 angels.

BUT....like Mcasella said...once they are sexually mature, its a whole new ball game. You never know what you are going to get at that point! It could go south real quick, or it could work out indefinitely! You just never know. Its always trial and error when keeping multiple angels.
 
Thunder_o_b
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Have not ordered the tank yet. Will be ordering it once I get more information on them.


What size would you recommend? You can tell their genders?
A 55 would be better. I know she is a she because I have seen her lay eggs.
 
Katie13
  • #14
I’m going to point out, both appear to already be mature (breeding tubes are visible). It looks like the one on the right is female, left might be male (not entirely sure from pic), Mcasella can possibly confirm.
 
Mcasella
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The one on the right looks female from what I can see of the breeding tube, however I can't say on the one of the left because it isn't as visible (though that can just be a female not quite ready to spawn, my current pair the female has a breeding tube after spawning but I haven't seen it in the days before that point).
 
Katie13
  • #16
The one on the right looks female from what I can see of the breeding tube, however I can't say on the one of the left because it isn't as visible (though that can just be a female not quite ready to spawn, my current pair the female has a breeding tube after spawning but I haven't seen it in the days before that point).
If you blow up the , you can just barely see a breeding tube.
 
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Mcasella
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If you blow up the , you can just barely see a breeding tube.
Yes, but the angle is a little too far tilted for me to comfortably give a gender.
 
Katie13
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Yes, but the angle is a little too far tilted for me to comfortably give a gender.
It’s definitely hard to tell which is why I didn’t give a definite sex on it.
 
Lunnietic
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A 55 would be better. I know she is a she because I have seen her lay eggs.
You have?...
If its a 3 foot long 30 gallon you could do a small school with the angels in my opinion. And some bottom dwellers. But the 29 gallons are not as long. So if it a standard 29 wouldn't put anything else with them. (Many people say that their 29 gallon tanks are 30 gallons...rounding up I guess...but the actual footprint is more important in my opinion) The extra 6 inches of length you get with a 30 vs a 29 makes a huge difference.
How much space to you have? If you can do a 4 foot tank right now, then do it now instead of later (55 gallon). But if you don't have a 4 foot area at the moment, do you have a 3 foot area? Because both the 30 and the 40 breeder are 3 feet long and suitable for a pair of angels. Of course bigger is always better, so if you can go bigger when you move, definitely do so! But I think a 3 foot tank (30 gallon, 40 gallon breeder, 46 gallon bowfront etc) are perfectly fine for 2 angels.

BUT....like Mcasella said...once they are sexually mature, its a whole new ball game. You never know what you are going to get at that point! It could go south real quick, or it could work out indefinitely! You just never know. Its always trial and error when keeping multiple angels.
Ill have to measure the area off. Right now I am using one of these for my 20 gallon high. I can always move/replace it.
 
Lunnietic
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Double post. Sorry.
 
Thunder_o_b
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You have?
Yup, her name is Prissy. Her mate took the long swim several months ago. I can post photos of their last spawn when I get home if you like
 
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Punkin
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You are getting great advice here, from very reputable angel experts!
I have nothing to add other than they look like beautiful angels!
 
Thunder_o_b
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Prissy and her mate in their last spawn.

1a.

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1b.

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1c. And the babies

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Lunnietic
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  • #24
I just found out that these two are a breeding pair...and just laid eggs in their current tank. I am unsure if this ia goos news or not.

That means, that most likely won't show aggression towards each other, but I will need a larger tank.
 
Lunnietic
  • Thread Starter
  • #25
Yup, her name is Prissy. Her mate took the long swim several months ago. I can post photos of their last spawn when I get home if you like
But this one lives in Michigan?..And the photo I posted is of the exact two I am getting.
 
Thunder_o_b
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I just found out that these two are a breeding pair...and just laid eggs in their current tank. I am unsure if this ia goos news or not.

That means, that most likely won't show aggression towards each other, but I will need a larger tank.
Yeah, You will need a larger aquarium. But having a mated pair is a special thing to see
But this one lives in Michigan?..And the photo I posted is of the exact two I am getting.
They are fine looking fish They remind my of a mated pair that I had that lived for many years. I hope all goes very well for you.
 
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Lunnietic
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  • #27
What if I upgrade my current tank to a 55 gallon? I have 5 corydoras. And a mixture of live plants. I would be move everything over from their tank.
 
Thunder_o_b
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What if I upgrade my current tank to a 55 gallon? I have 5 corydoras. And a mixture of live plants. I would be move everything over from their tank.

That would be fine
 

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