Ethics Of Fish Keeping. General Discussion

Fun fact if a married couple decides together they do not want children (no other medical issue or reasoning) and look for a permanent reliable form of birth control the doctors are unwilling to perform a vasectomy or tubal litigation. Doctors are even reluctant to perform a vasectomy on a 40yr old with 2 kids.
Proof the majority doesn't want population control.

I was 30 with 2 kids when I got my vasectomy . Doctor didn't even question it.

 

I was 30 with 2 kids when I got my vasectomy . Doctor didn't even question it.

Nice!
Unfortunately here it's not so easy.
At least from experiences of close friends.
Not even my friend who is infertile could get her tubes tied.
Not sure why..
For some reason it's quite difficult in my city to control your own body.

 

I've thoight about regluation.
When I was about 12 I joined a group on facebook called VHEMT.
It's the voluntary human extinction movement lol
Most of them are just antI child and refer to us as the virus/parasite.

It sounds very self-loathing. I don't like it; it does not sound like a very healthy environment, especially for the young and impressionable. Keep in mind, I know nothing about this group you speak of, except that it refers to children as parasites. Very misanthropic viewpoint.

While every once in a while I get baby fever, I like to believe now, I'm going to do my part and not repopulate.

I mean...
Do you think it's natural/okay for one person to pop out 20 copies of themselves just because they want to, and because they feel their bloodline is important?

I believe in autonomy, in free will. People should have as much control over their lives as they want. That includes decisions on whether they want to have children or not. I don't think it's right for that to be taken away or for someone else to have a say in that decision for others. There are special cases, like China, but for people to believe that everyone in the world take part in not doing the most natural thing--breed and have kids is wrong, I think. Should everyone have kids? Obviously, no. But, that's life.

I'm thinking you're very young, because you're correct: what you believe now might change in the future. There are things I've done that I thought I'd never do. I've had my beliefs change over the years. Yours will too, but not necessarily about this. But something will. Anyway, my point is that I don't think you should fight against having a baby just because of some sort of guilt for being a human being. If you want a baby, then by all means--if the time comes when you think you're ready--you should. More importantly, you shouldn't feel guilty about it either.

When I was younger I found a piece of "information" that stated something like every second a few hundred plants and animals go extinct.
Obviously not ones we concern ourselves with like pandas, but ones just as helpful like plants in our rain forests, or smaller micro organisms who are extremely beneficial or possibly hold cures to our diseases.

I've heard something like that too and, honestly, I think it's bologna. It's absurd. Silly. Eco-terrorist propaganda. OK, maybe I'm exaggerating on the last one, but still: It is absurd. This reminds me of Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. If you've read it, which I'm thinking most people who went to school have, it is a satire. A lot of it is a satire on science, mostly that scientists and mathematicians have tunnel vision and that sometimes what they come up with makes no sense at all and has no rationale. Now I'm not anti-science like the author, but I do agree that sometimes very smart people have no common sense or that their findings lack it. I think this is one of those cases, and here's why:

Instead of a few hundred animals disappearing, let's go with a more reasonable 200. If what it's said to be true, then 12,000 animals are going extinct every minute. 720,000 every hour. Uh, 3.5 million every 5 hrs, I think? I haven't gone too in depth with the math. Regardless, I'd love to see a list of these plants and animals that are gone forever by the end of the year. I think you know where I'm getting at.

I know that I haven't covered everything. It's getting late. Maybe tomorrow.

 

I wish mrsa would go extinct.

 

Fun fact if a married couple decides together they do not want children (no other medical issue or reasoning) and look for a permanent reliable form of birth control the doctors are unwilling to perform a vasectomy or tubal litigation. Doctors are even reluctant to perform a vasectomy on a 40yr old with 2 kids.
Proof the majority doesn't want population control.

I'm not sure where you live but I don't know a single person whose doctor hasn't been willing to do a tubal or vasectomy. I'm talking about married couples with children since those are the people I know. My husband got a vasectomy a year after our 3rd baby was born and they made sure he understood the permanence of it, which I appreciated, and understood that the days of reversing a vasectomy are pretty much over. I know many women who had a planned c-section with a tubal with their last pregnancy. Not only were doctors willing to do the c-section, they were willing to do the tubal.

The one woman I know who is married and doesn't want kids is now 40. Her husband had a vasectomy about 10 years ago. The doctor recommended her husband have the vasectomy vs. her since it can alter her menstrual flow. There is also a greater chance of the fallopian tubes reconnecting than the vas deferens.

It also made more sense since a tubal is surgery with general anaesthesia vs. a vasectomy it is a 30 minute outpatient procedure. I waited in the car while my husband had his.

 

I'm not sure where you live but I don't know a single person whose doctor hasn't been willing to do a tubal or vasectomy. I'm talking about married couples with children since those are the people I know. My husband got a vasectomy a year after our 3rd baby was born and they made sure he understood the permanence of it, which I appreciated, and understood that the days of reversing a vasectomy are pretty much over. I know many women who had a planned c-section with a tubal with their last pregnancy. Not only were doctors willing to do the c-section, they were willing to do the tubal.

The one woman I know who is married and doesn't want kids is now 40. Her husband had a vasectomy about 10 years ago. The doctor recommended her husband have the vasectomy vs. her since it can alter her menstrual flow. There is also a greater chance of the fallopian tubes reconnecting than the vas deferens.

It also made more sense since a tubal is surgery with general anaesthesia vs. a vasectomy it is a 30 minute outpatient procedure. I waited in the car while my husband had his.

I was going to say something similar, but Dave125g beat me to it. I know a few ppl in the army getting the operation done for free. They said it was easy. I'm not sure of this is true, but one guy complained he still got his wife pregnant.

 

Vasectomies can reverse themselves, even when done correctly, so the dude may have gotten his wife pregnant even after the surgery.

...This discussion has indeed become very general.

 

I'm not sure where you live but I don't know a single person whose doctor hasn't been willing to do a tubal or vasectomy. I'm talking about married couples with children since those are the people I know. My husband got a vasectomy a year after our 3rd baby was born and they made sure he understood the permanence of it, which I appreciated, and understood that the days of reversing a vasectomy are pretty much over. I know many women who had a planned c-section with a tubal with their last pregnancy. Not only were doctors willing to do the c-section, they were willing to do the tubal.

The one woman I know who is married and doesn't want kids is now 40. Her husband had a vasectomy about 10 years ago. The doctor recommended her husband have the vasectomy vs. her since it can alter her menstrual flow. There is also a greater chance of the fallopian tubes reconnecting than the vas deferens.

It also made more sense since a tubal is surgery with general anaesthesia vs. a vasectomy it is a 30 minute outpatient procedure. I waited in the car while my husband had his.

It must be just where I live then! It was about 7 yrs ago when the 40 yr old I referred too had it done and he got tons of questions that had to be answered to the satisfaction of the doctor his wife also got questions and a mandatory wait time to think it over. And I know other couples with kids with that experience as well. (Our hospital system is quite terrible in my town so maybe that has something to do with it.) Glad to hear that isn't the situation everywhere.

 

As this thread has wandered way off the original topic it’s now run it’s course, thread closed