Electric Blue Ram Aggression?

AllFish21

Hello!

So I recently added a pair of electric blue rams to my 75 gallon tank. They were inseparable and I never saw any kind of aggression toward each other. After about 10 days I added two Golden Rams. The day I added the Golden Rams one of the Blue Rams begin to act sick and she (I am guessing it was a female and the other is a male)... begin to "scoot" around on the bottom of the tank. After about 24 hours she declined rapidly and was laying on her side and then eventually passed away over night. I did a little bit of research and I read about Sudden Electric Blue Ram death which is just caused from a ton of inbreeding and things like that to get the desired color that they have. I am assuming that is what it was because I have a bunch of other fish in the tank that are all acting perfectly fine and my water parameters are spot on.
Temp: 82
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: below 10

Now ever since the female Blue Ram passed away the male has become aggressive toward the Golden Ram pair. He is about half their size but chases them around whenever they swim into his line of site and bumps them with his nose. The GR pair started very docile but are now starting to reciprocate the behavior, but never initiate. My tank is moderately-heavily planted so they are able to get away from each other so its not constant, but if they see each other their fins flair a bit and they chase for a couple seconds.

From my research, pairs of dwarf rams should to get along except for breeding time....

What I am wondering is, if I get the EBR another female will he stop chasing the GR pair? Are they just trying to determine the pecking order and it will stop? Will it get worse if I get my EBR a partner? Did I just get unlucky with a more dominant than average EBR male? Should I see if I can trade him for another more docile one at my LFS? I am aware that they are supposed to be kept in pairs, so maybe that's why he is so angry?

This is my first time keeping rams and they are beautiful and I would love for it to work out. I have another 10 gallon but it has a betta and just seeing the rams in the bag was enough to make him flair so I can't separate them at the moment.

Also, on a side note, I am treating my tanks for ich. If you guys think I should get him a partner should I wait until I am done treating?

Thank you so much in advance!

Pictured is my 75 gallon, and a close up on the bully EBR (the black on the fins makes me think its a male because the one that died didn't have that, but I could be wrong!)
(stocking is: 2 GR, 1 EBR, 12 cardinal tetras, 2 pearl gourami, 4 ottos, 6 corys, 1 albino bristlenose pleco, 3 zebra nerite snails)
 

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A201

As long as the aggression isn't causing injury, no worries.
You might need to add several more Blue Rams in order to get a mated pair. Determining GBR gender isn't easy. The increased number of Rams should help dilute the aggression.
Not a good idea to add new fish while medicating.
Never give up the strongest assertive fish. They tend to be the most colorful, longest lived & most durable. Try to make adjustments that make thing work.
 

AllFish21

As long as the aggression isn't causing injury, no worries.
You might need to add several more Blue Rams in order to get a mated pair. Determining GBR gender isn't easy. The increased number of Rams should help dilute the aggression.
Not a good idea to add new fish while medicating.
Never give up the strongest assertive fish. They tend to be the most colorful, longest lived & most durable. Try to make adjustments that make thing work.
I was worried because I have heard about fish being "stressed to death". I will pick up another EBR and maybe another GR once the treatment is done and hopefully he will calm down, or at least disperse his aggression a little more. Would a GR and EBR pair up?

Thanks for your response!
 

A201

The Gold Ram is just a color morph of the GBR, they can be bred.
When a subordinate Cichlid is severely bullied it often will isolate itself in a obscure corner, and either darken or display stress stripes.
Your 75 g. is plenty big enough for three or four mated dwarf Ram pairs. Building an elevated hardscape of rocks & driftwood will go a long way towards creating a more tranquil community.
 

AllFish21

The Gold Ram is just a color morph of the GBR, they can be bred.
When a subordinate Cichlid is severely bullied it often will isolate itself in a obscure corner, and either darken or display stress stripes.
Your 75 g. is plenty big enough for three or four mated dwarf Ram pairs. Building an elevated hardscape of rocks & driftwood will go a long way towards creating a more tranquil community.
The rams definitely don't hide in the tank they go all over and their colors are all bright, I will keep an eye out for that behavior though. Thank you again for your help!
 

georgelee1000

Give them a lot of hiding place. Wood, dense plant and etc. I have a gold ram who is a bully. He will chase all my fish in my 29 gal. And when I move him to 40 gallon he will occasionally chase the other gold ram. But overall much calmer. If you can’t upgrade your tank, I would create as much hiding as you can and you can also use fast swimming fish to divert the aggression. But sometimes they only show aggression to certain type, esp their own type. Mine will leave my green laser Cory alone but will chase my long fin panda. Weirdooo
 

coralbandit

Rams do best in pairs over trios or harems IME .
2 males and 1 female is worse then a traditional trio IMO ..
You have good cover on each side but no barrier in the middle to keep each pair happy with their side . A strong center piece would help define the two territories you have .
A 75 is large enough to house a dozen pairs , but you need to have a territory +1 or 2 for the number of pairs you have .
Rams can be picky when trying to 'force' a pair ,but hopefully the lone male would take to a female .
The EBR does look male but the black has NOTHING to do with sexing ..
 

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