Dwarf Sag Not Doing Well - I Need Help!!

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So I planted some dwarf sag three weeks ago and it was doing fine but over the past week it has started to quickly die. I am using a plant plus on max from 7 am to 6 pm where I turn it to night mode till 9 then off. I am also dosing excel flourish Twitter ce per week. I am also noticing a recent sudden growth in cloudy water and algae. I need help.
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Anyone with eyes out tonight?
What are your parameters?
 
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Sounds good. Off topic but what substrate are you using?

Hunter1 check out these plants? I wand dwarf sag too.
 
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Gypsy13 said:
Sounds good. Off topic but what substrate are you using?

Hunter1 check out these plants? I wand dwarf sag too.
I don’t know. It was one that said it had some nutrients and it was a good price. I think it was super Naturals by Carib sea. It was like eco complete with no liquid
 

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While I use flourish Excel and my plants love it, there are several plants that it kills. vals, sag and moss ball are some. I have heard that you can slowly acclimate the vals and sag but I do not know the procedure.
 

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Owen88 said:
Ram, Cories, 11 glolights.
A 0 N0 N5 gh about 5 I think temp 25.5
What figures are these exact?
The swords isn't 100% happy as well.
 

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He may have a nitrogen deficiency. Although Flourish does have a decent amount of N, (about 3.00% with his double dosing weekly) it may still not be sufficient) And may need more of that, and/or root tabs as well. A. Swords are notorious root tab and substate pigs, so also keep that in mind. On my 55, I use API root tabs and Flourish tabs (macro and micro) and bury those in the substrate twice per month now...especially by the 6 A. swords. Oh, and are you using any methods to circulate/agitate the water at all? They also may be deprived of CO2/oxygen...
 
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SFGiantsGuy said:
He may have a nitrogen deficiency. Although Flourish does have a decent amount of N, (about 3.00% with his double dosing weekly) it may still not be sufficient) And may need more of that, and/or root tabs as well. A. Swords are notorious root tab and substate pigs, so also keep that in mind. On my 55, I use API root tabs and Flourish tabs (macro and micro) and bury those in the substrate twice per month now...especially by the 6 A. swords. Oh, and are you using any methods to circulate/agitate the water at all? They also may be deprived of CO2/oxygen...
The only one I’m not 100% positive on is the GH the API gh and kh test is weird. Yes I have a bubbler for extra oxygen
 
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Thunder_o_b said:
While I use flourish Excel and my plants love it, there are several plants that it kills. vals, sag and moss ball are some. I have heard that you can slowly acclimate the vals and sag but I do not know the procedure.
So the stuff I bought to help my plants is probably killing them
 

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yup. you could start using osmocote root tabs? I use them and they made my plants grow better and quicker, if that will help
 

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Owen88 said:
So the stuff I bought to help my plants is probably killing them
Yeah, I love SeaChem products, but it would be nice if they put a warning on Excel.
 

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I have dwarf sag on my tank, I don't think it's the excel though. I had to overdose my tank with excel and even spot treat on the dwarf sag because of BBA issue and they seem to don't mind the extra excel
 

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Do keep in mind that Excel IS essentially an algaecide, and directly hinders algae growth so plants can adjust and "catch up". Some seasoned tanks like it, and become accustomed to it...and in some other seasoned, low tech. tanks can get "shocked" by it, so keep that in mind as well.
 

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SFGiantsGuy said:
Do keep in mind that Excel IS essentially an algaecide,
This is not accurate. Excel does hinder algae but it is far from its primary function. Please read this.
Seachem - Flourish Excel
 

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It still IS an algaecide though. And does other things too heh Use gloves when handling this stuff too!
 

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It still IS an algaecide though. And does other things too heh Use gloves when handling this stuff too!
Yeah, you would not want to bath in it
 

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LOL!!!
 

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If you have the dwarf sag in plain sand, that is why it is dying. Dwarf sag is a heavy root feeder that needs a nutrient-rich substrate to thrive. If you're not using root tabs, I suggest getting some and placing them at the base of the plants.

The cloudy water may be an algae bloom from dosing twice a week. From the pictures I see, none of your plants are water column feeders. Do a water change, get some root tabs, and limit your lights to 6-7 hours per day.
 
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