10 Gallon Tank Dual 10g Project Tank Journal

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Got 2 10g tanks up and running. First is a Blackwater that is already cycled and colonized with copepods, bladder snails, and micro ramshorn. 2nd is just a basic planted tank that is currently finishing the nitrite stage.

I'm going to attempt to place 1 male and 1 female pencilfish in the Blackwater to see if I can get them to breed. Plenty of food for the fry in there.

Not sure what I'm going to do with the other.

Will keep this thread open as a journal. Any ideas are welcomed
 
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The 10 gallon planted tank could do with a small group of honey gouramis. If the water flow is weak then it creates an opportunity to successfully have some in there. Just a suggestion though. There are so many options to choose.
 
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Betta'sAnonymous said:
Peacock gudgeon breeding tank for the 2nd!
Oy I didnt even think of that definitely a contender

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The 10 gallon planted tank could do with a small group of honey gouramis. If the water flow is weak then it creates an opportunity to successfully have some in there. Just a suggestion though. There are so many options to choose.
Both tanks have those low flow internal filters so should be okay, that would be a nice peaceful tank to raise fry in
 
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Pfrozen said:
Oy I didnt even think of that definitely a contender



Both tanks have those low flow internal filters so should be okay, that would be a nice peaceful tank to raise fry in
Just add some caves.
 
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CrustyDusty said:
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The 10 gallon planted tank could do with a small group of honey gouramis. If the water flow is weak then it creates an opportunity to successfully have some in there. Just a suggestion though. There are so many options to choose.
Honeys are beautiful. That might be a fun breeding experiment!
 
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Interesting results on these tanks so far. The blackwater cycled quickly, and is being weakly supported by the snails and decaying leaf litter for now. I'm seeing some amphipods appear, which is super cool as I've only ever had copepods in my tanks. There are some interesting copepod-looking critters in there with double tails as well, which are also new

The second tank keeps stalling on its cycle, and that's the one with plants lol. I keep putting stability in it but stability is pretty weaksauce. I'm not really in a hurry but its interesting, two identical tank sizes with the same filters and media, yet the one with plants is being stubborn

I didn't get home until today so I will probably try to breed a pair of pencilfish in the blackwater tomorrow or on the weekend
 
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Redosed the Blackwater today, if all looks good tomorrow I can try to spawn my pencilfish. You just can't rush these things unfortunately

The planted tank is still stalled out on the nitrite stage which is pretty interesting. Plants are growing like crazy though
 
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Pfrozen said:
Got 2 10g tanks up and running. First is a Blackwater that is already cycled and colonized with copepods, bladder snails, and micro ramshorn. 2nd is just a basic planted tank that is currently finishing the nitrite stage.

I'm going to attempt to place 1 male and 1 female pencilfish in the Blackwater to see if I can get them to breed. Plenty of food for the fry in there.

Not sure what I'm going to do with the other.

Will keep this thread open as a journal. Any ideas are welcomed
Love the way they look side by side.
 
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Dosed the blackwater last night with 0.5 ppm ammonia and this morning it reads 0,0,0. Incredible results honestly, this is the fastest I've been able to achieve a "full" 0 nitrate cycle. Of course I used seeded media from my other 0 nitrate tanks though

The other tank has the exact same filtration, a Tetra whisper internal, but its still being stubborn on the nitrites so today I'm replacing it with a Topfin 30 stuffed with ceramic beads and turned down low lol.

Tomorrow I'll introduce my breeding pair of pencils finally, then I go to work until Thursday morning. The information available says to keep the pair in for 3 days, so that should be perfect. After 2-3 more days the fry should be visible.

Will post back end of next week more than likely. Hopefully both tanks are cycled by then

Edit: added them now so they could have an extra day to graze. Here is a video of them enjoying live foods. Around the 1 min mark I zoom in so you can see various copepods, amphibious, and lice-like critters in the leaf litter. There is also hydra which the pencilfish will also eat. I won't be feeding this tank at all as these are all the things pencilfish eat in the wild. Male is a little paled out still, and I could only net my 2nd best (nearly had to tear my tank apart lol) but I managed to net my best female. Enjoy :)

 
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Ended up moving 3 females into the blackwater with 1 male. The tank seems ideal for them so after my little breeding project I might just move the whole group of 7 over permanently. Funnily enough it seems that one of my "males" was actually a colorful female hiding out as a sub male, guess it didn't want to breed lol. I thought I had 4M/3F (not ideal) but I have 3M/4F (a bit better)

One female was already swelling up with eggs when I went to work so I'm hoping to find 3 little balloons swimming around with a bright red male when I get home tomorrow

I switched over all the media from the other tank into a bigger HOB and topped up with ceramic beads.. hoping it cycles faster now. I put one single seeded bead half a stick of Jobes just to get some consistent ammonia in there while I'm gone
 
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Got home today and found my 3 females with nipped fins. The male was being pretty aggressive with them. I removed all 4 back to my main tank for health reasons and because they should have spawned by now anyways.

If I was successful then I should see fry appear within a few days, if not then I'll have to modify my method and try again

The other tank looks cycled now but I'll have to do a full param check tonight when I have more time
 
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I've had some time to think this through. The pencilfish weren't in breeding condition when I came home so I'm not expecting to see any fry in the coming days. If do appear I'll be shocked.

A lot of the literature on N. Beckfordi seems to be missing or inaccurate. They're supposed to do better with a single male but that clearly isn't the case. When I remove a male from my display tank and transfer it over it immediately loses breeding colors. I put it back in with the other males and the colors return, even without females present. Also, the females were stressed and not interested in spawning.

This tells me a few things:

1. That the males need to establish a hierarchy with other males to get into breeding condition

2. That the females also need to be isolated to get into breeding condition

My plan now is to drop my pH over the next week or so down to 5 with RO water. After my tank is ready I will drip acclimate 3 females and let them settle for 1 week. Then I'll add my 2 best males.

If all goes well I should be able to add all 7 after my project ends
 
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I’ve bred beckfordi in tanks packed with Java moss. My tap water is very soft, 30 ppm TDS, the pH usually drops to 6.2, but I didn’t add any tannins to tint the water. The fry would emerge from the moss when they grew large enough avoid being eaten by the adults. My males sparred constantly but never damaged the females.
 
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Hellfishguy said:
I’ve bred beckfordi in tanks packed with Java moss. My tap water is very soft, 30 ppm TDS, the pH usually drops to 6.2, but I didn’t add any tannins to tint the water. The fry would emerge from the moss when they grew large enough avoid being eaten by the adults. My males sparred constantly but never damaged the females.
Thank you for the input! Hard to find someone who bred these guys before. I'm guessing my issue is pH then as my tank sits at 7.5. Maybe I'll just drop it and stick with the one male. Any other suggestions?
 
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Just that the newly hatched young find enough microfauna in the moss without me having to culture infusoria.
 
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This is awesome! I love the 2 tanks side by side.
 
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Hellfishguy said:
Just that the newly hatched young find enough microfauna in the moss without me having to culture infusoria.
Nice. I should be good then, I have their breeding/grow out tank cultured with tons of different microfauna. Even have some neat little wood lice guys in there that I've never seen before

lhopkin9 said:
This is awesome! I love the 2 tanks side by side.
Thank you :) I didn't want to commit to a 40g so I set up these 2 project tanks with the light I was going to use for my 40
 
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Definitely agree with the others that the tanks look amazing juxtaposed with each other. Following :).
 
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I have the Blackwater half covered with cardboard, if I don't see any fry by Wednesday then I'll drop the pH

That Jobes plant spike that I put directly into the filter of the 2nd tank (lol) burned a couple hygro leaves slightly but otherwise seems to have helped. Tank is almost finished the nitrite stage finally. It showed 1 ppm yesterday as opposed to immediately turning so purple that it looks black. Might stock something sometime this week :)

There's some licorice gouramis available within shipping distance but my one tank isn't ready yet. I hate waiting when cool rare fish show up
 
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well the planted 10g is cycled with tons of diatoms and nice green algae, none of the unwanted hair algaes or bba. ill probably stock "something" in it soon.

the blackwater is going through some kind of mini cycle for some reason. still colonized with plenty of live foods though. my little tetra internal filter got clogged while i was away from home so that's probably why. i'll have to upgrade that one as well i guess

might try to spawn the pencilfish in the planted tank this time around, theres nothing in it so ill do a 90% change with soft water and monitor the cycle. will post back with results
 
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Came home from work to find that the population of live food in the blackwater 10g had EXPLODED. I might just keep it open for fry to be perfectly honest. I'm not sure why but all the hydra disappeared. I could only spot one node and it was clearly dead. I won't complain!

The planted 10g is going through a big diatom phase but I actually like to see that. It will provide lots of food for algae/biofilm grazers and snails. I think I will move the pencilfish over once I am confident in the cycle and see how they do in their own tank. I will be rehoming the SAE in my main 20g tank, who grew 4 inches in 6 months, so that should fully open me up for some new stocking choices :D

I redosed the planted 10g with 0.5 ppm ammonia today. If I see zeros tomorrow I will be confident enough to stock it
 
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Man, I can't believe it but the planted 10g is stalled out on nitrites again. Super weird. I'll move some more cycled media over

I redosed the blackwater just to make sure everything is 0. I've finally decided, I'm going to move my pencilfish over and see how they do. I'll start remineralizing to KH 2.2 GH 4.5 and drop it slowly after they're introduced. Right now the pencils are acclimated to harder water so this is a good solution
 
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My SAE was trying to eat the pencilfish so I moved them over to the 10g biotope last night. I did a 50% WC with distilled beforehand. There is a bubble wall set to very low flow just to keep the water oxygenated since there is minimal filtration. This morning they are fully colored up and spawning in the leaf litter :)

I need to go to work this morning but I will post a video on Saturday showing them in their new home
 

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