Does it get better?!? I’m at my wits’ end with this hobby

**PLEASE no lectures. I’m on the verge of tears and quitting just as things are**

So, LONG story short… I bought a tank from a locally owned “reputable” fish store (not a chain) and 6 female betta and 3 Endlers for a brand new 10 gallon tank on the 8th of March…. ALL along the way I was asking for confirmation that I was doing the right thing… all the employees knew I was a new fish owner and not once was I questioned or asked about cycling the tank… I kept asking if it was too many fish for the tank, etc… but was assured everything was good.

When I got home, I couldn’t keep the 3 Endlers with the sorority; they were harassing them. So they were taken out and put in a 3.5 gallon almost immediately. I was enjoying my girls, and I REALLY enjoyed the endlers. So researched and bought another 10 gallon and a 20 gallon, and 3 beautiful guppies. Set all that up Monday. Tuesday afternoon, I had my first casualty from Cotton Mouth from within the sorority… I rushed back to the fish store with the fish and she gave me some medicine (the wrong one even though the fungus was obviously visible around her mouth). I started treating the sorority and the guppies (because I grabbed some pebbles out of the 10 gallon and put them with the guppies in the 20 gallon)….

Fast forward…. Yesterday… I went to PetSmart and THEY helped give me the correct medicine for the bettas and also Petco patiently talked to me like an hour about cycling tanks… So I am working hard keeping these three tanks alive and getting them cycled… but then I am constantly finding new things going wrong…

Will things get better?!? Or will there constantly be some fungus or bacteria infection or ick going on?!? I’m about ready to throw in the towel and sell everything. Any encouragement out there?!? Thanks!

 

Things definitely get better once you get the basics nailed down and have some experience under your belt. As a new owner things can seem overwhelming but hang in there and don’t let it get to you.

Plenty of experienced people on here willing to help out too, don’t forget that. If you have questions on anything, just set up a thread and ask away!

 

I've been where you are before. I lost a bunch of bettas to a fungal infection, and every time I found another betta gone I wondered if I would ever be able to stop whatever was going on.
But, once you've got it down, things will start to get better. It's always hardest in the beginning.

 

**PLEASE no lectures. I’m on the verge of tears and quitting just as things are**

So, LONG story short… I bought a tank from a locally owned “reputable” fish store (not a chain) and 6 female betta and 3 Endlers for a brand new 10 gallon tank on the 8th of March…. ALL along the way I was asking for confirmation that I was doing the right thing… all the employees knew I was a new fish owner and not once was I questioned or asked about cycling the tank… I kept asking if it was too many fish for the tank, etc… but was assured everything was good.

When I got home, I couldn’t keep the 3 Endlers with the sorority; they were harassing them. So they were taken out and put in a 3.5 gallon almost immediately. I was enjoying my girls, and I REALLY enjoyed the endlers. So researched and bought another 10 gallon and a 20 gallon, and 3 beautiful guppies. Set all that up Monday. Tuesday afternoon, I had my first casualty from Cotton Mouth from within the sorority… I rushed back to the fish store with the fish and she gave me some medicine (the wrong one even though the fungus was obviously visible around her mouth). I started treating the sorority and the guppies (because I grabbed some pebbles out of the 10 gallon and put them with the guppies in the 20 gallon)….

Fast forward…. Yesterday… I went to PetSmart and THEY helped give me the correct medicine for the bettas and also Petco patiently talked to me like an hour about cycling tanks… So I am working hard keeping these three tanks alive and getting them cycled… but then I am constantly finding new things going wrong…

Will things get better?!? Or will there constantly be some fungus or bacteria infection or ick going on?!? I’m about ready to throw in the towel and sell everything. Any encouragement out there?!? Thanks!

Welcome to Fishlore and keep your chin up!

At some point, most of us have learned the hard way that a fair number of fish stores are only interested in selling fish and fish equipment.

As carsonsgjs said, don’t hesitate to ask questions. If we don’t have the answers, we’ll make something up.

 

Wait until you start fighting algea.....

Just kidding, not really, thats my biggest battle right now. Once you get your tanks cycled things will start to get better. Just dont overthink things. Do those water changes and get a test kit so you dont have to run back to the store constantly getting your parameters checked. Prime is your friend right now.

You are going to lose a fair amount of fish starting out and learning.

 

You have too many fish in an uncycled tank. I'd rehome them all and start over.

You were given very bad info from that LFS. They set you up for trouble. You'll get much better info on this web page.

 

Wait until you start fighting algea.....

Just kidding, not really, thats my biggest battle right now. Once you get your tanks cycled things will start to get better. Just dont overthink things. Do those water changes and get a test kit so you dont have to run back to the store constantly getting your parameters checked. Prime is your friend right now.

You are going to lose a fair amount of fish starting out and learning.

LOL…. I’m surprised my husband has not literally killed me and buried me in the back yard due to how much money I have spent in these last two weeks!!!!! Three big tanks, heaters, sponge filters, medicine, more medicine, even more medicine, bacteria, stuff to help get the tanks cycled… gravel, decorations… AND the fish…. ‍♀️‍♀️‍♀️‍♀️

You have too many fish in an uncycled tank. I'd rehome them all and start over.

You were given very bad info from that LFS. They set you up for trouble. You'll get much better info on this web page.

Well, 2 bettas died. So there are 4 that remain in a 10 gallon (if they live). I’m treating them, and they look a little better. I have 3 guppies in a 20 gallon, and 6 endlers in a 10 gallon until everything settles down. No one would want them knowing the cotton mouth is going around.

I TOTALLY intend on writing a letter to the owner or whoever will listen to me of the establishment and tell them of my experience. Because the girl who helped me…. When I went back with the sick fish, she treated me like I was a CRIMINAL… and SHE was the one who sold me the 6 Betta and 3 endlers for one new 10 gallon tank!!!

 

I hope everything gets better soon! Hang in there. I could tell a horror story or two myself, as could most fish keepers!

Just a thought about the female bettas...after the treatment is done, or even before if you see a lot of aggression...

I would watch the bettas very closely. Betta sororities are hard to keep, even for experienced fish keepers. Those girls can be right aggressive. They will establish a pecking order, but sometimes low girl on the ladder gets picked on constantly. If that happens, then you may need to separate one or more of them.

You can actually get a tank divider and split two of them up that way in the 10 gallon. Each will have a 5 gallon side. Or, if they remain calm, and do not attack each other, things may work out. But it's always best to be ready where bettas are concerned. Things can go badly very quickly. Just keep a close eye on them.

Wishing you the best, and sending good thoughts your way!

 

I hope everything gets better soon! Hang in there. I could tell a horror story or two myself, as could most fish keepers!

Just a thought about the female bettas...after the treatment is done, or even before if you see a lot of aggression...

I would watch the bettas very closely. Betta sororities are hard to keep, even for experienced fish keepers. Those girls can be right aggressive. They will establish a pecking order, but sometimes low girl on the ladder gets picked on constantly. If that happens, then you may need to separate one or more of them.

You can actually get a tank divider and split two of them up that way in the 10 gallon. Each will have a 5 gallon side. Or, if they remain calm, and do not attack each other, things may work out. But it's always best to be ready where bettas are concerned. Things can go badly very quickly. Just keep a close eye on them.

Wishing you the best, and sending good thoughts your way!

Thank you!!! This has definitely been a painful and an expensive learning experience!! All but one have died now and that’s the one my husband kept saying was being a bully. I took it as they were playing, sort of like tag because it was back and forth chasing… but again… in hindsight… it probably was bullying. I really really REALLY hate to tell my husband he was right…. LOL!!!!!! I think from now on I’ll stick with one male betta… and a schooling type fish in the big tanks (that WANT to be together).

 

Thank you!!! This has definitely been a painful and an expensive learning experience!! All but one have died now and that’s the one my husband kept saying was being a bully. I took it as they were playing, sort of like tag because it was back and forth chasing… but again… in hindsight… it probably was bullying. I really really REALLY hate to tell my husband he was right…. LOL!!!!!! I think from now on I’ll stick with one male betta… and a schooling type fish in the big tanks (that WANT to be together).

Yeah Bettas are kind of jerks that way. They do best solitary with some snails....lol

 

Thank you!!! This has definitely been a painful and an expensive learning experience!! All but one have died now and that’s the one my husband kept saying was being a bully. I took it as they were playing, sort of like tag because it was back and forth chasing… but again… in hindsight… it probably was bullying. I really really REALLY hate to tell my husband he was right…. LOL!!!!!! I think from now on I’ll stick with one male betta… and a schooling type fish in the big tanks (that WANT to be together).

Oh, so sorry for your loss!!! There really is a steep learning curve where bettas are concerned.

They were called Siamese fighting fish for a reason, that's for sure!

The females can be quite personable, if your little girl survives. I have had a few that were just gems - always in the front of the tank, wanting to know what was going on, eating pellets off of my fingers- just lovely little fish! I just kept them in their own 5 gallon tanks, lol...

 

I have heard way too many horror stories about betta sorority tanks. You can be the most experienced fishkeeper and they just don't predictably work. Even a sorority that has been fine for months can overnight turn into a bloodbath. I think even if you get water parameters and everything solid, you could be constantly fishing infections/illnedd due to stress and injuries in that tank. If it was me, I'd turn in the girls and try something a little easier so you can enjoy the hobby and not be in such a battle for your first tanks while youare learning everything else.

I have heard way too many horror stories about betta sorority tanks. You can be the most experienced fishkeeper and they just don't predictably work. Even a sorority that has been fine for months can overnight turn into a bloodbath. I think even if you get water parameters and everything solid, you could be constantly fishing infections/illnedd due to stress and injuries in that tank. If it was me, I'd turn in the girls and try something a little easier so you can enjoy the hobby and not be in such a battle for your first tanks while youare learning everything else.

Sorry, read further that your bettas weeded themselves out. Sorry that you were misguided in the store. Hope you can find some new fish that you can enjoy!

 

Do you check your water for ammonia and nitrite? If you have ammonia and or nitrites seachem prime will Bind the ammonia and nitrites for 48 hours till eather you add prime again or your bacteria takes care of it.

 

Do you check your water for ammonia and nitrite? If you have ammonia and or nitrites seachem prime will Bind the ammonia and nitrites for 48 hours till eather you add prime again or your bacteria takes care of it.

Yeah, I bought the freshwater API kit from the start…. and tested…. But it wasn’t until watching umpteen YouTube videos, AFTER the first death, that I found out I was testing the nitrates in vain since the tanks were new. I posted on FB that if anyone ever thinks they want to start owning fish, talk to me first!! I LOVE doing research and learning…. but google takes you where they think you need to go so you don’t get the complete picture. AND when I sought guidance and confirmation at the LFS, all I got was nodded heads and “YAY!! You are a new fish owner!!!” Not only did I tell her I was buying a new 10 gallon tank that day, several employees ~should have~ saw the new fish tank on the counter with the new fish and slowed the roll…. and professionally questioned me!!

 

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

stores do focus on selling and not always care. sad, but true.

My local fish store actually asked questions when I purchased 3 bettas recently & I was happy to see they cared. They had no idea I run 10 fish tanks or my level expertise.

me, after 2.5 years of having a sorority and later a harem set up for bettas

skip 10 gallons, go for 20 long
use live plants
happy fish with means to retreat & hide, happy fish
adult bettas are big, so IMO and it's just an opinion - 5 bettas max in a 20 gallon

by year 1, a 10 gallon is too small imo.

use cory cats or dither fish as distraction - it does work.

in regards to cycling use seahem prime - dose tank every 48 hours. My 38 gallon tank took about 3 months to cycle. it was a nightmare. I was doing water changes every 2-3 days for a year because I was so scared more fish would die. then I was doing it 2x a week. Only thing past 18 months am I doing weekly water changes.

I do use bottled bacteria. others see it was a money pit, but i see at as a buffer to failure

fish keeping is like religion, ppl get entrenched beliefs. That's fine. just imo somethings you do need to learn by trial and error.

I recommend:

seacham prime ( already mentioned)
seachem pristine ( helps breakdown waste)

fluval also has a waste management - you use this as well as vacuum tank. Around 6 months, there's a build up and frankly if you don't have plants, the build up can be a bit much for maintenance

early treatment: i like

Microbe-Lift Artemiss Freshwater & Saltwater, 4 oz​

it's not meds but vitamins so helps with minor issues.

Everyone makes mistakes. Fish keeping is like learning a new discipline. It's a huge effort. Do not let 1 occurrence color your entire experience. We are all human and make mistakes/errors. But we grow and learn. Your fish now and going forward will benefit by this experience because you learned so much.

It's the journey, not the destination.

 

Never Give Up, Never Surrender!

 

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

stores do focus on selling and not always care. sad, but true.

My local fish store actually asked questions when I purchased 3 bettas recently & I was happy to see they cared. They had no idea I run 10 fish tanks or my level expertise.

me, after 2.5 years of having a sorority and later a harem set up for bettas

skip 10 gallons, go for 20 long
use live plants
happy fish with means to retreat & hide, happy fish
adult bettas are big, so IMO and it's just an opinion - 5 bettas max in a 20 gallon

by year 1, a 10 gallon is too small imo.

use cory cats or dither fish as distraction - it does work.

in regards to cycling use seahem prime - dose tank every 48 hours. My 38 gallon tank took about 3 months to cycle. it was a nightmare. I was doing water changes every 2-3 days for a year because I was so scared more fish would die. then I was doing it 2x a week. Only thing past 18 months am I doing weekly water changes.

I do use bottled bacteria. others see it was a money pit, but i see at as a buffer to failure

fish keeping is like religion, ppl get entrenched beliefs. That's fine. just imo somethings you do need to learn by trial and error.

I recommend:

seacham prime ( already mentioned)
seachem pristine ( helps breakdown waste)

fluval also has a waste management - you use this as well as vacuum tank. Around 6 months, there's a build up and frankly if you don't have plants, the build up can be a bit much for maintenance

early treatment: i like

Microbe-Lift Artemiss Freshwater & Saltwater, 4 oz​

it's not meds but vitamins so helps with minor issues.

Everyone makes mistakes. Fish keeping is like learning a new discipline. It's a huge effort. Do not let 1 occurrence color your entire experience. We are all human and make mistakes/errors. But we grow and learn. Your fish now and going forward will benefit by this experience because you learned so much.

It's the journey, not the destination.

Thank you Debbie1986 for your thoughtful and thorough comment! I’ve read it like 5 times so to not miss anything.

I do have a question, though….. if it’s not that big of a deal to sterilize the tank that had the sick fish, why is it when you research Columnaris, it cautions you to make sure not to contaminate the other tanks; even be mindful with the food, to not cross contaminate into the other tanks?? Does that make sense?

 

Well, learning can be hard for someone and easy to another... We can't compare eachother when it comes to the pace of learning. And no worries... that's quite normal.

 

Lesson learned, don't buy fish from chain stores. It gets better once you stop dealing with fish that come from chain stores and LFSs with very poor reputations. To my knowledge Petco is one of the worst for fish in the states. In future get fish from reputable LFSs or fish farms.

Once your tank is cycled, your ecosystem is established and you stop introducing new disease-ridden fish, things will start to get better and you won't keep having problems with illnesses. You're having a huge outbreak of numerous things right now because of all three of these factors. Also avoid guppies or any other livebearer apart from swordtails and endlers until your tanks are 6 months old and you can get them from a reputable source. They will continue to be disease bombs otherwise. I won't go on my normal rant but essentially, guppies and to a lesser extent platies and mollies are highly inbred and have next to no functioning immune systems and if they don't come from a good source they will be disease TNT waiting to explode all over your resident fish. If you introduce them when your tank is still immature then even if they are from a fish farm they will drop dead as soon as something inevitably goes wrong. You made the right choice going for endlers assuming they are they classic wild-type (normally called 'black-bar endlers') and not a guppy hybrid inbred variety. They are still very hardy and can survive a nuclear war unless they are old.

 

Lesson learned, don't buy fish from chain stores. It gets better once you stop dealing with fish that come from chain stores and LFSs with very poor reputations. To my knowledge Petco is one of the worst for fish in the states. In future get fish from reputable LFSs or fish farms.

Easier said than done. Sometimes the closest fish store is a petco or petsmart, and there's no other options. I have yet to step foot into a LFS, even though I know there must be some in Nashville, which isn't too far from where I live.
Sometimes you just can't get fish from a LFS, and shipping is daunting as well.

 

Lesson learned, don't buy fish from chain stores. It gets better once you stop dealing with fish that come from chain stores and LFSs with very poor reputations. To my knowledge Petco is one of the worst for fish in the states. In future get fish from reputable LFSs or fish farms.

Once your tank is cycled, your ecosystem is established and you stop introducing new disease-ridden fish, things will start to get better and you won't keep having problems with illnesses. You're having a huge outbreak of numerous things right now because of all three of these factors. Also avoid guppies or any other livebearer apart from swordtails and endlers until your tanks are 6 months old and you can get them from a reputable source. They will continue to be disease bombs otherwise. I won't go on my normal rant but essentially, guppies and to a lesser extent platies and mollies are highly inbred and have next to no functioning immune systems and if they don't come from a good source they will be disease TNT waiting to explode all over your resident fish. If you introduce them when your tank is still immature then even if they are from a fish farm they will drop dead as soon as something inevitably goes wrong. You made the right choice going for endlers assuming they are they classic wild-type (normally called 'black-bar endlers') and not a guppy hybrid inbred variety. They are still very hardy and can survive a nuclear war unless they are old.

I don't have a huge set of experience, but all of the fish I've mail ordered have come DOA and I have never gotten a bad fish from Petsmart, but I have gotten one deformed one and two diseased ones from my LFS. So I would not call some sources better than others as an overarching set-in-stone rule. Look for healthy groups. Be as picky as you want about which individual ones they give you. Quarantine new fish away from your main tank. Etc.

 

Ok so now you’ve got 3 tanks running and none are cycled. What are you doing to cycle your tanks now? Are you changing water daily? How many fish are left and what types? What in which tank? Have you tested your tap water with the api test kit?

 

Ok so now you’ve got 3 tanks running and none are cycled. What are you doing to cycle your tanks now? Are you changing water daily? How many fish are left and what types? What in which tank? Have you tested your tap water with the api test kit?

So much this.

Are you planning on keeping three tanks going? Get everything cycled and happy before getting any more fish. The Endlers are / were a good idea. They tend to be pretty hardy and put up with a lot of mistakes, though they’re not invincible.

As for the pet store, the job is to sell not necessarily give out good info. I’d complain, sure, but don’t expect much if anything.

 

Ok so now you’ve got 3 tanks running and none are cycled. What are you doing to cycle your tanks now? Are you changing water daily? How many fish are left and what types? What in which tank? Have you tested your tap water with the api test kit?

I am using Prime and testing water DAILY, sometimes two times in the tanks that have fish (IN APPROPRIATE RATIOS).

NO MORE DEATHS HAVE OCCURRED

 

Ok we use prime when adding new water. I don’t use prime when ammonia is too high. When ammonia is to high I change water. At least 30% but because those tanks are small I’d do 50%. Than I add prime to the new water.
Just need the earlier info. How many fish and what’s in what tank.

 

Ok we use prime when adding new water. I don’t use prime when ammonia is too high. When ammonia is to high I change water. At least 30% but because those tanks are small I’d do 50%. Than I add prime to the new water.
Just need the earlier info. How many fish and what’s in what tank.

The sorority got wiped out, so that tank is empty. 20 gallon with 3 guppies and 10 gallon with 6 endlers.

 

Seachem Stability - I have used this with much success in seeding good bacteria into the tank. 1. Transfer all the fish into a bucket with new water treated with Prime. 2. Put filter media with fish in the bucket 3. Don’t discard anything from the filter, do not wash. 3. Add new water treat it with Prime. 4. Seachem Staibility - Dose as recommended. 5. Add the fish back.

 

Well what I’d do now is put the endlers with the guppies in the 20. Now do a fish in cycle. This means the fish will be feeding the bacteria with there waste. For this you need to test the water daily. When you see .25 change 30% of the water. You can add prime to the new 30%. If you test daily this will workout fine. What type of filter is on the 20?
Test your tap water to see if it has ammonia or nitrates in it. Check your tap ph and the ph in the tank. Let us know if there’s a difference. Your moving in the right direction its just going to take time .

 

Well what I’d do now is put the endlers with the guppies in the 20. Now do a fish in cycle. This means the fish will be feeding the bacteria with there waste. For this you need to test the water daily. When you see .25 change 30% of the water. You can add prime to the new 30%. If you test daily this will workout fine. What type of filter is on the 20?
Test your tap water to see if it has ammonia or nitrates in it. Check your tap ph and the ph in the tank. Let us know if there’s a difference. Your moving in the right direction its just going to take time .

I have sponge filters in all the tanks. If a filter came with the tank, then I am using that, also. If the tank didn’t come with a filter, I have 2 sponge filters in every tank.

Well what I’d do now is put the endlers with the guppies in the 20. Now do a fish in cycle. This means the fish will be feeding the bacteria with there waste. For this you need to test the water daily. When you see .25 change 30% of the water. You can add prime to the new 30%. If you test daily this will workout fine. What type of filter is on the 20?
Test your tap water to see if it has ammonia or nitrates in it. Check your tap ph and the ph in the tank. Let us know if there’s a difference. Your moving in the right direction its just going to take time .

I don’t want to mix the endlers and guppies and get a cross breed. Three endlers are boys and 3 are girls. And everyone is happy right now……. Really don’t want to stress anyone out right now.

Seachem Stability - I have used this with much success in seeding good bacteria into the tank. 1. Transfer all the fish into a bucket with new water treated with Prime. 2. Put filter media with fish in the bucket 3. Don’t discard anything from the filter, do not wash. 3. Add new water treat it with Prime. 4. Seachem Staibility - Dose as recommended. 5. Add the fish back.

I ordered that day before yesterday. It will be here soon.

 

cleaning: aquarium salt is key to cleaning imo, or you can use 1/10 hydrogen peroxide to water

I have a 2 gallon acrylic tank I use to clean decor in hot tap water with aquarium salt.

1/10 hydrogen peroxide to water - I use for live plants

cross contamination is near impossible unless you buy duplicates of everything and label it all.

I just use a small spoon to add 1/2 teaspoon aquarium salt in my vacuum for water changes and rinse it through 3x with tap water

I have cory cats, a featherfin catfish and snails, no issues with the salt use

grime on glass - white paper napkin , i remove brown and sometimes green algae that way duirng water changes. It's mucky otherwise.

 

cleaning: aquarium salt is key to cleaning imo, or you can use 1/10 hydrogen peroxide to water

I have a 2 gallon acrylic tank I use to clean decor in hot tap water with aquarium salt.

1/10 hydrogen peroxide to water - I use for live plants

cross contamination is near impossible unless you buy duplicates of everything and label it all.

I just use a small spoon to add 1/2 teaspoon aquarium salt in my vacuum for water changes and rinse it through 3x with tap water

I have cory cats, a featherfin catfish and snails, no issues with the salt use

grime on glass - white paper napkin , i remove brown and sometimes green algae that way duirng water changes. It's mucky otherwise.

Mr clean eraser (the plain kind) works great too

i will try your hydrogen peroxide trick

 

Ok that’s fine and just a little more work. Your doing fish- in on 2 tanks. Just don’t add any more fish till your bacteria builds up. These are small fish so it may take awhile. When the tanks are cycled they will be cycled to a small load of fish. So add new fish in small amounts. Like 2-3 a week. This will give the bacteria time to grow to the new fish. If bigger fish ie: angel fish or anything that big add less.

 

Ok that’s fine and just a little more work. Your doing fish- in on 2 tanks. Just don’t add any more fish till your bacteria builds up. These are small fish so it may take awhile. When the tanks are cycled they will be cycled to a small load of fish. So add new fish in small amounts. Like 2-3 a week. This will give the bacteria time to grow to the new fish. If bigger fish ie: angel fish or anything that big add less.

Ohhhhhh, thank you for pointing out “cycled to a small load of fish.” I was thinking “cycled” is “cycled.” Which, I’ve fallen for endlers. So I plan on only having those and maybe one tank of guppies from now on.

 

I've had great success using Seachem Stability for cycling a brand new tank.

 

Your Endlers may not even give the guppies a second glance. Mine completely ignore the 3 female fancy guppies I gave them and chase the female Endlers. I bring them supermodels, they chase soccer moms lol Seriously, they’ve been in there over 6 months and have been pregnant zero times lol




She’s like, 7-8 months old. In her prime! She should be a balloon!

 

Your Endlers may not even give the guppies a second glance. Mine completely ignore the 3 female fancy guppies I gave them and chase the female Endlers. I bring them supermodels, they chase soccer moms lol Seriously, they’ve been in there over 6 months and have been pregnant zero times lol

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She’s like, 7-8 months old. In her prime! She should be a balloon!

Bless her heart!! No one wants her!!!

 

Your Endlers may not even give the guppies a second glance. Mine completely ignore the 3 female fancy guppies I gave them and chase the female Endlers. I bring them supermodels, they chase soccer moms lol Seriously, they’ve been in there over 6 months and have been pregnant zero times lol

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She’s like, 7-8 months old. In her prime! She should be a balloon!

Update: The orange female might, maybe, possibly is pregnant lol

 

Update: The orange female might, maybe, possibly is pregnant lol

If she’s been around a fella, she probably is