Does Ich leave scars?

I read that ich most commonly attaches to the fins (you wouldnt see it in the gills, right?) Anyways I bought some new fish the other day that had ich. I have been treating with the heat method since Monday. The cycts ruptured that day to best of my knowledge and I thought the heat was working. Today I saw a couple fish with small white dots on them, possibly where the cysts were. Wasnt able to get a pic today but ill try again tomorrow.

Immediately I thought this must be the heat resistant strain but the size of the dots is whats throwing me off. They're very tiny compared looking back at the pics I took sunday of the ich. Do the areas where cysts rupture visibly scar? What should be my next step? Wait to see if the spot sticks around or disappears? How long would that be at 86? So much conflicting or just generally lacking info on ich around it seems...

Thanks

 

I read that ich most commonly attaches to the fins (you wouldnt see it in the gills, right?) Anyways I bought some new fish the other day that had ich. I have been treating with the heat method since Monday. The cycts ruptured that day to best of my knowledge and I thought the heat was working. Today I saw a couple fish with small white dots on them, possibly where the cysts were. Wasnt able to get a pic today but ill try again tomorrow.

Immediately I thought this must be the heat resistant strain but the size of the dots is whats throwing me off. They're very tiny compared looking back at the pics I took sunday of the ich. Do the areas where cysts rupture visibly scar? What should be my next step? Wait to see if the spot sticks around or disappears? How long would that be at 86? So much conflicting or just generally lacking info on ich around it seems...

Thanks

I never seen any long term effects of ich, once the ich is cleared the fish is back to its self

 

Superficial scarring and secondary infections are possible.

Also the dots grow before releasing the next generation of parasites, so surely the new ones start out small.

Do you have the temperature at a constant 31°C? If it wobbles around 30°C too much, the heat method may not work, instead only speeding up the life cycle of the parasite.

 

Superficial scarring and secondary infections are possible.

Also the dots grow before releasing the next generation of parasites, so surely the new ones start out small.

Do you have the temperature at a constant 31°C? If it wobbles around 30°C too much, the heat method may not work, instead only speeding up the life cycle of the parasite.

it is constant at 86. accordingto my thermometer that is roughly a half degree below 31. Any idea how long the cysts last before rupturing at this temp? No significant increase in size since last night. having a hard time to get a pic since theyre so tiny.

Superficial scarring and secondary infections are possible.

Also the dots grow before releasing the next generation of parasites, so surely the new ones start out small.

Do you have the temperature at a constant 31°C? If it wobbles around 30°C too much, the heat method may not work, instead only speeding up the life cycle of the parasite.

also, i did order the med you recommended but i figured i would try the heat method while it arrived. Im using two heaters (50w and 100w in a 20 gal) to achieve the temps. Im really hoping this works since the ich x seems very involved with much room for error and Im more of a natural aquarist myself. I do want to save my fish if at all possible (they look really good right now) and typically i would never buy from a lfs but i had not many options for this species.

 

Any idea how long the cysts last before rupturing at this temp? No significant increase in size since last night. having a hard time to get a pic since theyre so tiny.

At 25°C the life cycle takes 7 days, at 29°C about 3, so I would assume 2-3 days at 30°C.
They do not always have to grow visibly.

also, i did order the med you recommended but i figured i would try the heat method while it arrived.

I recommended a med? Where? When? To you? I would never recommend Ich-X.

Im really hoping this works since the ich x seems very involved with much room for error and Im more of a natural aquarist myself.

Surely a good idea to try the heat method first. You should keep it that high for several days, at least a week.

Only use the med if the parasites prevail AFTER the temp treatment is over. While using the med, keep the water aerated and lower the temp again to 28°C, as all meds against Ich can only kill the parasite outside the body, hence a faster life cycle makes the little critters leave the body of a fish faster.

 

At 25°C the life cycle takes 7 days, at 29°C about 3, so I would assume 2-3 days at 30°C.
They do not always have to grow visibly.


I recommended a med? Where? When? To you? I would never recommend Ich-X.


Surely a good idea to try the heat method first. You should keep it that high for several days, at least a week.

Only use the med if the parasites prevail AFTER the temp treatment is over. While using the med, keep the water aerated and lower the temp again to 28°C, as all meds against Ich can only kill the parasite outside the body, hence a faster life cycle makes the little critters leave the body of a fish faster.

sorry meant to tag tigerburp on the ich-x.

Yes I had planned to go the whole week. Everyone is acting fairly normal (new fish so Im not entirely sure) They're hunting but i did see one flash yesterday. Thats not necessarily indicative of anything and it certainly was not constant or even frequent.

 

I normally don't say much on these issues but I've not seen it mentioned so want to say, you need to be vacuuming the substrate while doing any ich treatment. Doing so will pull the ich out as it falls off before it can get back on the fish.

 

I normally don't say much on these issues but I've not seen it mentioned so want to say, you need to be vacuuming the substrate while doing any ich treatment. Doing so will pull the ich out as it falls off before it can get back on the fish.

Funnily enough that's not necessary with the heat treatment. But it is with any other treatments.

 

https://imgur.com/a/h4uSb9W

Here this is looking like ich now at 86 (on the right side fin his left) However i will continue the temp for the full week since this may have hatched while i was bringing the temp up.

I normally don't say much on these issues but I've not seen it mentioned so want to say, you need to be vacuuming the substrate while doing any ich treatment. Doing so will pull the ich out as it falls off before it can get back on the fish.

yes i tried my best but there are many plants as well as soil beneath my gravel. How often is it okay to do this every day? I vacced after the initial cysts dropped off.

here are the original photos of initial infection:

https://imgur.com/a/9C3pnwP

 

Thankfully MacZ corrected me and said it isn't necessary with the heat method. I have to think the reason it doesn't have to be done is the heat actually kills it. I will remember that.

Now you know why I seldom reply to these kinds of threads Fortunately I've never had to deal with this so can only go by what I have read.