Do neon tetra's school with ember tetra's

I bought eight neon tetra's yesterday and I was wondering if they would school with my ten ember tetra's just as they would school with other neon tetra's.

 

Not normally. Both species prefer to stay with their own kind. So long as the tank is large enough, they will school seperately.

 

Not normally. Both species prefer to stay with their own kind. So long as the tank is large enough, they will school seperately.

It's a 110 liter (30 gallon) tank.

Will those neons be fine in a group of eight or should I buy more?

 

They might be fine in a school that size, but if you have the tank space, you should increase their school. You'll see more natural behaviors.

 

I have 6 neon tetras and 3 ember tetras and they school together. I haven't seen any more embers for sale but will pick up three more if and when I ever see them again. Alison

 

They might be fine in a school that size, but if you have the tank space, you should increase their school. You'll see more natural behaviors.

The other animals in there are:

Two Dwarf gouramies;
Five platies (two adults; three fry);
Six black skirt tetra's;
Four khulI loaches;
Two assasin snails;
Two amano shrimp.

And the neons and ember tetra's of course.

My amano shrimps are lonely and I was going to get at least five more of them I also would like five more assasin snails, so in your opinion could I add more neons considering what I already have and what I'm going to get? And how many individuals would you suggest?

 

I wouldn't add too many more. Your tank's middle/upper level is stocked. Maybe 2-4 more?

How are your kuhlI loaches? They're schooling fish too, and you'd see more natural behaviors with a few more. I'd add 2 more kuhlI loaches if you can.

Are both of your DGs male? They will fight to the death if they are both males.

 

I have 6 neon tetras and 3 ember tetras and they school together. I haven't seen any more embers for sale but will pick up three more if and when I ever see them again. Alison

That might be due the fact that your embers are in such a small group that they have to school with your neons because they can't school with a group of three.

My embers are in a group of ten and I just got those eight neons yesterday.

Now a group of eight neons is enough to form a school without participating in the ember school so maybe if they don't have to they won't do it.

That might be due the fact that your embers are in such a small group that they have to school with your neons because they can't school with a group of three.

My embers are in a group of ten and I just got those eight neons yesterday.

Now a group of eight neons is enough to form a school without participating in the ember school so maybe if they don't have to they won't do it.

 

If you just got them yesterday, I'd wait a few weeks to add more. Neons are notoriously sensitive and weak fish, and I'd make sure those survive before you get more.

 

I wouldn't add too many more. Your tank's middle/upper level is stocked. Maybe 2-4 more?

How are your kuhlI loaches? They're schooling fish too, and you'd see more natural behaviors with a few more. I'd add 2 more kuhlI loaches if you can.

Are both of your DGs male? They will fight to the death if they are both males.

I asked a question about them yesterday and somebody said that they can be kept in a group of four.

I'm not home though so I can't check on them right now. When I introduced them, three of them swam to the nearest hiding place they could find. One stayed around for a while until he reunited himself with his friends.

I've got a male and a beautiful female. I didn't know anyting about them when I bought them and the fish store guy suggested to keep them in a pair.

They really like each other. If that keeps my male DG happy then so be it.

If you just got them yesterday, I'd wait a few weeks to add more. Neons are notoriously sensitive and weak fish, and I'd make sure those survive before you get more.

Why is that? Is it because they have a small hearth and it stops easily?

 

A male and female DG together is great! Glad they're a happy pair.

If they're showing natural behaviors with 4, then you don't need to add more

I don't think it's because of their heart. Most are inbred for the hobby and are weak for a variety of health reasons.

 

A male and female DG together is great! Glad they're a happy pair.

If they're showing natural behaviors with 4, then you don't need to add more

I don't think it's because of their heart. Most are inbred for the hobby and are weak for a variety of health reasons.

I found out recently that they need some floating plants for reproduction. And with in no time they made their first bubble nest. Unfortunately I had to destroy it because I had to move the tank.

The fish store guy says he get's all his stuff from Malaysia does that mean inbred.

Speaking of inbred (I know this is the neon topic) my platy gave birt to a dozen of young and while she ate most of them and I gave some to the fish store I've kept three daughters. My male platy is certainly going to impregnate them, and that means inbred fry. Does that mean I will get fry without eyes or fins?



I think that even 40 Khuli's are going to hide. I'll watch them at night and see if they leave their hideouts. I aslo bought a couple of ornaments to hide in for them.

 

The fish store guy says he get's all his stuff from Malaysia does that mean inbred.

It means they are kept in such large numbers to grow out that they are overmedicated with antibiotics to prevent the risk of disease wiping out a sizable investment. Unfortunately, this means that they have no natural resistance to disease when moved to regular conditions. However, if they survive for a few weeks, they may develop the necessary resistance, and will be perfectly normal and healthy. All the "sensitive" comments are made about recently purchased fish that don't adapt to their new surroundings and die relatively soon. If they survive long enough, they will be healthy and normal. Captive bred Neons are not inbred by any stretch of the word.

Speaking of inbred (I know this is the neon topic) my Platy gave birt to a dozen of young and while she ate most of them and I gave some to the fish store I've kept three daughters. My male platy is certainly going to impregnate them, and that means inbred fry. Does that mean I will get fry without eyes or fins?

No, inbreeding in fish is not the problem it is with mammals. There are even species of Cichlid from West Africa that show a preference for siblings even when given a choice between related and unrelated mates. If there is a genetic defect, it most likely will eventually show whether you breed siblings or not. Back crossing is often used to fix color strains by professional breeders. It takes many generations for any sort of negative effects to show themselves from inbreeding.

 

It means they are kept in such large numbers to grow out that they are overmedicated with antibiotics to prevent the risk of disease wiping out a sizable investment. Unfortunately, this means that they have no natural resistance to disease when moved to regular conditions. However, if they survive for a few weeks, they may develop the necessary resistance, and will be perfectly normal and healthy. All the "sensitive" comments are made about recently purchased fish that don't adapt to their new surroundings and die relatively soon. If they survive long enough, they will be healthy and normal. Captive bred Neons are not inbred by any stretch of the word.



No, inbreeding in fish is not the problem it is with mammals. There are even species of Cichlid from West Africa that show a preference for siblings even when given a choice between related and unrelated mates. If there is a genetic defect, it most likely will eventually show whether you breed siblings or not. Back crossing is often used to fix color strains by professional breeders. It takes many generations for any sort of negative effects to show themselves from inbreeding.

I'll have to see how though those little guys are then. My embers all survived does that say anything about the survival chances of my neons?

The fish store owner said that after seven generations you will see deformed fish, however the things that I cannot see worry me the most. Things like a higher risk rate of cancer or diseases and organ failure.

But I'll get rid of the next generation of platy fry and I'll get new platy blood when time runs out for one of the current platies.

Thank you very much BTW.

 

The fish store owner is flatly wrong. I've bred multiple generations of Swordtails starting from a single male and female and never saw a single deformity. James K. Langhammer, the retired curator of the Belle Isle Aquarium in Detroit, had a superb strain of hifin red wag Swords that he kept for over 30 generations. He stopped keeping track at that point, and continued to maintain the strain with no new blood for at least another 15 years.

Platies are not significantly different from Swordtails. Seriously, new blood can actually introduce genetic defects into a perfectly good line.

 

The fish store owner is flatly wrong. I've bred multiple generations of Swordtails starting from a single male and female and never saw a single deformity. James K. Langhammer, the retired curator of the Belle Isle Aquarium in Detroit, had a superb strain of hifin red wag Swords that he kept for over 30 generations. He stopped keeping track at that point, and continued to maintain the strain with no new blood for at least another 15 years.

Platies are not significantly different from Swordtails. Seriously, new blood can actually introduce genetic defects into a perfectly good line.

It probably depends on the genes. I'm not going to inbreed them to far one generation not any further.



My neons are doing great! They always stick around my ember tetra's and they are good eaters.

 

Maybe they saw the Embers and thought, "Hey, this gang knows the turf. Let's hang with them!"

One can never fully predict the behavior of fish. They will always surprise you.

 

Maybe they saw the Embers and thought, "Hey, this gang knows the turf. Let's hang with them!"

One can never fully predict the behavior of fish. They will always surprise you.

Haha my red platy fry also school among my ember tetra's they must think that they are ember tetra's too.