Do I have a German Blue Rams or Bolivian Rams? ?

Discussion in 'Fish, Snail, Worm And Pest ID Help' started by tinks8400, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Pls help my other half was sold a "pair" of Bolivian Rams, but the more research I do the more I suspect we have been sold German blue Rams. The pair started off great but a few months down the line we are left with one. The larger one bullied the smaller one so much he died last week. I wanted to get another mate/s but I'm unsure of the what we actually have??
    Here are some pictures

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  2. GranamyrValued MemberMember

    You have a german blue ram, I can't tell for sure because I can't see the breeding vent but it appears to be a male to me

  3. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Thanks, I have tried looking for the vent but can't see for sure. I have read that males do not have blue shine over the black spot? which he doesn't seem to have, is this correct?

  4. chromedome52Fishlore VIPMember

    It is a male by overall appearance. The "spangles on the black spot" method of sexing them is not always accurate, as there are populations that are the opposite of what you normally hear.
  5. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Thanks for the information, I didn't realise that could be the case
  6. Anders247Fishlore LegendMember

    Welcome to fishlore!
    Yes, it's a german blue ram. Mikrogeophagus ramirezi.
  7. hampalongWell Known MemberMember

    I would guess a well fed female, going by body shape, the two equal length dorsal spines, and the general "expression" which is usually doable (with many years of familiarity). A side-on pic would be easier...


    Black spots and spangles are all secondary characteristics, and can't be relied on because everything you've read about them can apply to either sex.
  8. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Thanks for the info, I will try later to get a side picture,
  9. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Here is some side picture hope this helps
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  10. GvilleguyValued MemberMember

    Beautiful rams. Congrats!
  11. chromedome52Fishlore VIPMember

    I'm still seeing male; the long ventrals, the shape of the abdomen, and the overall appearance of the fish screams male at me.
  12. tinks8400New MemberMember

    Thanks for the info, I suspected male but want some others opinions so I could be 100%
  13. DanB80TTSWell Known MemberMember

    I'm 94% sure that's a male, maybe it has some balloon genes in it? That might explain the more rounded body, but other than the roundish body everything else points to male.

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