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I thought I might have parasite, based on a bloated female in my tank with stringy excrement

Now I'm not so sure....since dosing prazipro yesterday, a couple more have symptoms showing

Lucky, who had been treated for injuries sustained in a fight(was my belief at the time) is showing swelling in her face
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The bloated female, whom I will call serenity, is still bloated and showing no distress
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And a blue has weird patching on her head(not fluffy, could almost be an injury if she tried to squeeze into a cave after loaches or something )
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Here's an overview of inhabitants
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Ammonia 0/ph8/nitrite 0/nitrate 10?
Temperature 78

It's a 38 bow front, two 150gph filters and 5000k strip lights on about 8hours. Everyone is eating well, only the blue is a little "off"- she is swimming left-right-left-right up and down the front right side of the tank (stress-dance, would be my best description)
 

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Could the bloated bellies be because they're gravid or overfed?
 
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Overfed is possible. Perhaps the one is egg-bound?

They are pigs and eat everything, including any vegetables that I put in for the pleco, loaches

The last couple of days I have fed either veggies or food but not both.....tomorrow's meal will be peas
 
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I am sitting here thinking- Lucky's facial swelling could be a relapse of her former infections. I had treated her for the injuries and resultant swelling, using Kanaplex but returned her to the tank upon recovery. Perhaps I returned her too quickly.
 

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I see a bacterial infection developing, but whether it's gram positive or negative, what meds to use - no idea.
 
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Hmm, that was my concern

I have furon- 2 and paraguard. Only enough kanaplex for a qt treatment now- if the tank needed it I would have to get more

Though with the loaches, I am unsure if I can even treat the tank


Hoping someone with experience can guide me
 
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I'm also wondering if the bubbles from the substrate could be caused trouble- perhaps the pond soil was a bad pick for substrate? It may be organic but it's created air pockets since going in
 

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How heavily did you rinse the pond soil? It may be organic, but so are a lot of pollution sources.
The soil choice didn't show in the original question, but it could be putting other pollutants into the water column - ammonia and the nitrogen cycle are just the part we have the tools to read (if we buy them). There can be a lot more going on the test kits are blind to.
I am always suggesting people use stuff they get outside in their tanks, wood, rocks etc. But other than plants and live food, I have always stayed away from underwater 'supplies'. I have stayed away from substrates, from concerns about trapped pollution from us, phosphates, metals etc. Crushed gravel from a pool centre has always been a safer option to me, as a chemically inert and non aquatic source.
The blue one looks pretty advanced - they all do, sadly. I am not big on using antibiotics in tanks, and can't help with what med to use - I tend to go for cleanliness. When I have seen that facial swelling (Apistogramma get it too) my first move is always a deep cleaning of the substrate along with water changes. I take it as a sign the tank could be eutrophying. That does kind of fit with your worry about the pond substrate.
 
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I gave it a good rinse, then did daily water changes for 5 days before adding the fish - that was in May

About July it started releasing bubbles

If there's a possibility that the substrate is a problem, I'm not opposed to tearing down the tank and taking the soil out

Here's the bag I used:
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I also have a few rocks from the goldfish tank and some driftwood from the pet store with a cap of pool filter sand
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this is Blue Eyes. I'm a little confused- I have seen these red veins on her for as long as I have had her, but as I was searching for an answer to what kind of bacteria I might be dealing with, I came across something saying that it is not normal and a Betta showing veins like this requires treatment quickly for septecima is a painful bacterial infection

Does this mean that I have four potentially ill?
 
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I've had the bloated female and the blue with the facial (rash??) in quarantine with Kanaplex for a few days now...no improvement on either. The bloated female seems even more so. and her feces is still stringy. Before this, i treated the tank with Prazipro, which made no difference.

I'm trying to decide what to do now.

Still, no one is behaving like they are bothered, though the bloated female looks like her belly is full of air, and the blue has that white patch on her head. It's all external physical symptoms. there's now a white patch on the fin of another blue, and a third has a small lump

I found this article, which outlines columnaris....not sure if this is what I'm dealing with...if it is, I'm having a little trouble decyphering which medications to use in which order/combination :S

If I were to use some of these meds, I think I'd need to remove the Khulis to QT for the duration wouldn't I? I understand that scaleless fish can't tolerate salt...
 
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The bloating is reduced but now I see signs of dropsy, and her fin are clamped and she's floating at the top. At least she doesn't look fit to pop anymore...
 
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Serenity is looking much better now- bloating gone and active again. Also, her appetite is back

The blue is not showing as white on her head....it's fading too.
 
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