Cycling With Ranchu

Stealyouaway269
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I’m doing cycle for 75 gallon tank with one ranchu in there. The read ammonia 0.25 nitrite 5.0 nitrate 40 . I do water change when I saw nitrate at 40 or over . But 2 weeks already nitrite still high.question that what I need to do next?l to get it cycle?
 
EbiAqua
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What percentage of water changes are you doing? You want Ammonia and Nitrite to be as close to 0 as possible.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #3
What percentage of water changes are you doing? You want Ammonia and Nitrite to be as close to 0 as possible.
I did 25% every 3 days
 
Rtessy
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You're going to have to do much larger water changes to keep the nitrite and ammonia down while cycling. Honestly, with a goldfish, you should be doing 30% daily or 50% every other day. And if those nitrites are really at 5, that fish is in serious danger. You need to do a 50-80% water change pretty much now, and do 50% tomorrow and the day after until you have no ammonia or nitrite. If you have prime, you can dose prime and just keep ammonia and nitrite under 1, but 5 is incredibly dangerous.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #5
I did 30% wtc in the morning and 30% at night I use amquel + novaqua + safe start plus . Today ammonia 0.25 nitrite 2.0 nitrate 20. I think My cycle process is too slow now.The bacteria was not growth enough .
 
Rtessy
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Why do you believe it is slowing down? Water changes do not really slow down a cycle, I've done a fish in cycle in which I did daily water changes to keep the ammonia below 0.25 and it took the normal amount of time (6 weeks, it's normally closer to 8 weeks). You really should get that nitrite down, it's very harmful at that level. Also, the cycle will stall if nitrite gets as high as you had it, so it's possible it did stall a little, but the water changes will help with that. The bacteria is largely housed in the filter media (~95%), which is why it's very important to only wash that in old tank water as tap water will kill it, and about 5% or so is in the gravel and on decorations, so you don't have to worry about water changes harming the cycle. Unless you don't dechlorinate the water you put back in, that will kill the bacteria, and the fish, or I guess if you take hours doing the water change and let the filter media dry out.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #7
Oh I see because I don’t see the increase of nitrate or it is very slow to build up. But Nitrite is drop to 1.0 after some water change.
 
Rtessy
  • #8
Oh okay, but keep in mind you're also removing nitrate when you do water changes. Try and keep nitrite and ammonia down to at least 0.25ppm, good job on those water changes. If you have prime, however, you can go ahead and dose prime and keep nitrite at 1ppm because the prime will protect the fish
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #9
Oh okay, but keep in mind you're also removing nitrate when you do water changes. Try and keep nitrite and ammonia down to at least 0.25ppm, good job on those water changes. If you have prime, however, you can go ahead and dose prime and keep nitrite at 1ppm because the prime will protect the fish
I use amquel + novaqua , is it same result like prime? ,and do I need use safe start plus together for bacteria?
 
Rtessy
  • #10
Prime is not just a water conditioner because it also neutralizes ammonia and nitrites. Is it the tetra safe start plus? If so, do water changes to get ammonia and nitrite right at zero, dose the tetra safe start and do not do water changes, but do monitor the levels. If the ammonia or nitrite get over 0.50 after the first two days, do a water change and keep monitoring.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #11
Prime is not just a water conditioner because it also neutralizes ammonia and nitrites. Is it the tetra safe start plus? If so, do water changes to get ammonia and nitrite right at zero, dose the tetra safe start and do not do water changes, but do monitor the levels. If the ammonia or nitrite get over 0.50 after the first two days, do a water change and keep monitoring.
The read today is ammonia 0.25 nitrite 0.25 and nitrate 0 . Idk what happen yesterday night Is ammonia 0.25 nitrite 0.50 and nitrate 20. I didnt do wtc until now. I feed the fish very small food 2 times in the morning and at night.
 
Rtessy
  • #12
At least you have some nitrites, it should just be a week or so longer. Good job getting those readings down! It's tough work lol, it shouldn't be too much longer. And I mean, still have the nitrites, because the instance of ammonia along with nitrates generally means a recycling or mini-cycle. I forgot if I asked, do you clean your filter media at all, and if so, how?
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #13
At least you have some nitrites, it should just be a week or so longer. Good job getting those readings down! It's tough work lol, it shouldn't be too much longer. And I mean, still have the nitrites, because the instance of ammonia along with nitrates generally means a recycling or mini-cycle. I forgot if I asked, do you clean your filter media at all, and if so, how?
No I didnt clean the filter.
 
Rtessy
  • #14
That's actually good in this case. When you do clean it, make sure to do so in old tank water, just swish the media a bit. But really, it could just be middle of next week and cycled, may take a bit longer, but probably not much longer. Here's hoping!
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #15
That's actually good in this case. When you do clean it, make sure to do so in old tank water, just swish the media a bit. But really, it could just be middle of next week and cycled, may take a bit longer, but probably not much longer. Here's hoping!
Thank So I don't need to do more wtc right?
 
Rtessy
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Well, you will have to while it continues to cycle. It's going to still be daily, if not every day. They can likely be smaller at this point, try a 25% change today and see how it tests.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #17
the read on nitrate is 0 because I didnt shake well bottle #2 I did 25% wtc the read today is ammonia 0.25 nitrite 0 nitrate 20.
 
Rtessy
  • #18
Awesome, it's likely a minI cycle at this point, really just a few days, probably not even a whole week.
 
Stealyouaway269
  • Thread Starter
  • #19
Awesome, it's likely a minI cycle at this point, really just a few days, probably not even a whole week.
What u mean minI cycle
 
Rtessy
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A minI cycle is basically something that can occur after a cycle is completed and something either harmed the bacteria or a larger source of ammonia was added and the bacteria couldn't keep up. It is often less severe than the initial cycling, and takes less time to correct it since the beneficial bacteria colonies aren't all dead, they just have to up their numbers a bit, but in most cases the colonies still exist.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #21
A minI cycle is basically something that can occur after a cycle is completed and something either harmed the bacteria or a larger source of ammonia was added and the bacteria couldn't keep up. It is often less severe than the initial cycling, and takes less time to correct it since the beneficial bacteria colonies aren't all dead, they just have to up their numbers a bit, but in most cases the colonies still exist.
You’re right 2 week before I added ammonia to speed up the cycle .Maybe too much and hard to get the nitrite down.( after many wtc ).Lucky thay didn’t kill all the bacteria .I just though the tank cycle already when I get nitrite at 0 and the ammonia 0.25 just is an error in the test or its in tap water . So now I need to wait few more day for it to get full cycled ?
 
Rtessy
  • #22
It'll probably just be a few more days since you still have nitrates, and those are the final step in the cycle. Did you happen to test your tap water? Did you test it for nitrates by any chance?
 
Stealyouaway269
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No I only tested for ammonia for tap ưater.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #24
It'll probably just be a few more days since you still have nitrates, and those are the final step in the cycle. Did you happen to test your tap water? Did you test it for nitrates by any chance?
4 days already and no change in level ammonia 0.25 nitrite 0 and nitrate 20, Saw some water that vaporized so I refill by some drinking water. the ammonia look like want to turn yellow but it is 0.25 I think.
 
Rtessy
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Have you tested your tap for ammonia? Also, what's your pH at?
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #26
Ph in tap water is 7.6 and ammonia is 0.25
 
Rtessy
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Ok, good to know. Any chance you can get some Prime or Ammo lock? Goldfish should be able to tolerate that level of ammonia for a while, but it's better for them not to. I hope it finishes cycling soon for you
 
Stealyouaway269
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I change 25% wtc and added prime but the ammonia is still at 0.25 .look like yellow but its not still 0.25.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #29
50% wtc today with prime , the read of ammonia is between 0 and 0.25 .the ranchu like having an itch on his skin, he swim weird.is he sick? I'm afraid of ick is in my tank ;(
 
Rtessy
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I'm so sorry for the late reply. Do you mind posting pictures of your fish? Awesome ammonia readings, good job getting those down, sorry the minI cycle is taking so long. Look up videos of fish "flashing", it's particular way fish will move, racing around the tank and scratching on stuff, see if that is similar. It doesn't necessarily mean ich, but it does likely mean your fish may be sick in some way, many sicknesses are easily treatable.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #31
Its ok .Yeah fish was doing that and sometime seat at the corner but today I change 50% wtc and the fish is normal now.
 
Rtessy
  • #32
That's great to hear! I hope your fish continues to improve
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #33
I think I got overgrowth of algea, I saw some spot from last week and now the water is getting clowdy.
 
Rtessy
  • #34
Is the water white cloudy or green cloudy? Also has your fish been flashing more or has that stopped?
 
Stealyouaway269
  • Thread Starter
  • #35
It is white cloudy, the fish is stopped flashing.I don't know but I still want to do more wtc if the water is getting bad.The fish look like not really active like sometime seat at bottom.
 
Rtessy
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White cloudy is a bacterial bloom, so you can do water changes to get rid of it. Fish sitting on the bottom generally isn't that good, though I know some people who have fancy goldfish that do that regularly. If you feel the water is bad, you can still do a water change as long as you're not doing more than 50% every 12 hours or three 25% changes every 24 hours. I wish you luck
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #37
Thanks though that over growth of algea.The fish look a little stressful.I will change the food and feed less to rid off algea.
 
Stealyouaway269
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  • #38
My fish look like got fluke in his skin, do you know how to treat, I đid salt dip for him tonight let see tmr .
 
Goldiemom
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Rtessy has given good advice. The only thing I’d like to say is to not clean the filters at all for a while. Allow the bacteria to grow. Don’t even rinse in tank water for now. Great job to you both!
 
Rtessy
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My fish look like got fluke in his skin, do you know how to treat, I đid salt dip for him tonight let see tmr .
I'm glad you noticed, flukes can be very bad. Are they flukes or anchor worms? Flukes can be treated with PraziPro if you have access to that medication
 

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