Cycling With Neon Tetras?

Discussion in 'Freshwater Beginners' started by XenoMarc, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    Hello.
    I've just been to the fish store to buy the sand, rocks etc. but the fish store guy said to do a cycle with fish. The guys there are nice and I asked them if there was anyway to do a fishless cycle but he said it needs a fish to cycle and produce waste/ammonia (which I thought was wrong, but didn't say anything and now I'm disappointed).
    So my parents ended up buying 9 neon tetras since they were the cheapest but I'm worried they'll die since they are not beginner fish and not hardy. Can I please have some tips and advice to keep them alive during the start of a cycle because I don't want any of them to die.
    Thank you.
     
  2. Al913

    Al913 Fishlore VIP Member

  3. malowmar

    malowmar Valued Member Member

    Fishless is possible if you have a source of ammonia (like fish food, but pure ammonia would be best).

    You have to do constant water changes to prevent your tetras from getting sick or dying. Keeping track of water parameters is key so you always make sure the water isn't too unbearably toxic for your fish. Each water change should be like at least 50%, several times a week.

    To speed up bacteria growth, you should probably get bacteria in a bottle like Dr. Tim's One and Only Nitrifying Bacteria.

    9 neon tetras is a lot for fish in cycling... is there anyway you can get it down to max. 3?

    Edit: if you see your ammonia levels go above 0.25 ppm when cycling, do a water change.
     




  4. OP
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    240 litres (I'm not sure in gallons) and I don't think I added anything to the water but de-chlorinator and something to digest the ammonia and nitrites. I don't have a liquid test kit and the fish store just said to bring a sample of water to them and they'll test it.
     
  5. Al913

    Al913 Fishlore VIP Member

    Depends on the size tank :), however 3 is too little :) plus with schooling fish you want to have at least 6, by having a proper school this helps them get through the cycle.
     
  6. OP
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    I don't have a liquid test kit. Apart from buying it, what do I do?
     
  7. malowmar

    malowmar Valued Member Member

    :0 That makes sense with a 240 L tank. For some reason I assumed it was small lol.

    You should get the API Freshwater Master Test Kit.

    Honestly, it is the best way to keep track of ammonia/nitrites/nitrates. Not using it would be risky.
     
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  8. Al913

    Al913 Fishlore VIP Member

    So its a 63 gallon tank

    Definitely get a BB supplement since this is what you need to digest the ammonia and it is the permanent solution! You most likely added a nutrifier

    Definitely get a liquid test kit
     
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    Thanks for the help guys. I don't want any fish to die. I'll try convince my parents to get a liquid test kit as soon as possible.
     
  10. malowmar

    malowmar Valued Member Member

    Good luck!
     
  11. Thunder_o_b

    Thunder_o_b Fishlore VIP Member

    A water test kit is a necessity in fish keeping. You can not properly do a fisheless cycle without one (PLEASE do a fishes cycle it will only take a couple of weeks or less. I do it in 7 days) You also need to monitor a new tank closely and without a water test kit you can not. Also, test strips are worse than useless. Because of their inaccuracy they are dangerous to your fish. At the least get the API master kit. There are better ways but they cost much more.
     
  12. Al913

    Al913 Fishlore VIP Member

    Yeah, the first month is when you will use most of your test kit! Some people and its recommended takes a test every day for the first 2 weeks to make sure there parameters are stable before adding fish! Also having a test kit allows you to quickly diagnose your tank! If you had a problem along the road and you come on this forum, were gonna ask you your water parameters and most likely you might not be able to go to the fish store to get it right away, especially sometimes it can be a life and death situation
     
  13. OP
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    Hey guys. I'm kinda in a pickle here and quite anxious. I haven't put the neon tetras in the tank yet cuz the heater is taking time and the the water is still too cold for them (even too cold for me) but I'm worried that they'll die due to starvation or high conc. of ammonia. What should I do:
    Put them in the cold water fish tank?
    Or
    Leave them in the bag overnight ?
     
  14. BottomDweller

    BottomDweller Fishlore VIP Member

    Is the bag the same temperature as the tank?
    How warm is the tank?
     
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    I am not sure as I don't have a thermometer but I'm pretty sure the tank water is no where near the bag water. The tank water is extremely cold and even makes me feel uncomfortable when putting my arm in it. Only the surface is warm, but the rest hasn't changed a bit since the Juwel heater is so slow.
     
  16. BottomDweller

    BottomDweller Fishlore VIP Member

    Yeah I hav the same problem with my juwel heater. Neon tetras prefer cooler water to what some people think. Around 70f is good for them. I really recommend getting a thermometer.
     
  17. OP
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    Thanks, do you think it'll be okay to leave them in the bag overnight?
     
  18. BottomDweller

    BottomDweller Fishlore VIP Member

    No i would not keep them in the bag overnight. If you don't think the temperature will adjust fast enough then I would slowly add tank water to the bag until they are the same temperature.
     
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    XenoMarc

    XenoMarc Valued Member Member

    But I'm worried cuz most of the tank water is nearly ice cold.
     
  20. BottomDweller

    BottomDweller Fishlore VIP Member

    Could you do a water change and replace some of the water with warm water from the tap? Also I would turn the heater on to it's highest setting so it warms up faster.
     




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