Could I Have Oto's As Well? 10 Gallon Tank

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  1. Dinoknight

    DinoknightValued MemberMember

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    My mother has a fully cycled 10 gallon tank with a male crowntail betta, and 6 neon tetras. She wants a non snail bottom feeder. I think that 3 otocinclus should be okay, but I would like a second opinion. Would 3 oto's be okay in a 10g with the previously mentioned stock?

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    What would be the problem with the otos? And bettas torture shrimp if not eat them outright. I know, I've tried.

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    Ottos neeed a larger tank. Ghost shrimp are about the same size as a betta
     
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    Otos are not really bottom feeders and they can be difficult to keep. They really do better I bigger tanks and in larger groups.
     
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    Not when you buy them. And regardless, they still eat their various feelers. I have seen otos kept happily in 10g's. I am not speaking of foot long Chinese and Siamese algae eaters, I am speaking of Otocinclus, the fish that gets 2 or less inches long.
     
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    Just because they are small doesn't mean they can be kept in small tanks.Here's my 1 cent. Keep whatever you want, even an oscar if you want in that 10 gallon, but if it doesn't meet it's care needs it will not be a happy fish and might die.The choice is yours, we can't stop you from doing something, we can only tell you whats right and whats wrong.
     
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    Well said
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Siamese algae eaters don't get a foot long. Otocinclus prefer more stability of the tank and more space then a 10 gallon. They are also not a bottom feeder but go all over the tank like a pleco. You could keep them but they won't live a good quality life. Also if you don't have a lot of algae and they don't learn to eat fish food/vegetables they will starve.
     
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    1. I would never keep an oscar in anything less than a 30g. I'm not crazy. Also, Otos are algae feeders, like practically every other loricariid (e.g., plecos, panaques, farlowellas, otos) In chains they often end up being siamese and chinese algae eaters, and those I know are not bottom feeders after juvenile, not to mention, they get massive, but again, I am talking about the loricariid otocinclus. 2 inch long algae eater. Even the fishlore data base says so. they are a social fish, but they don't exactly need mass numbers. and sorry, I did not mean bottom feeder, I meant cleaner, and I know that they need more than just glass algae, I can feed them fine with algae wafers. And yes, siamese get somewhere like 6 inches long, in anycase, too large for the tank. I have had many people recommend otos for a group of 10 gallon cleaners. I also have a 36g available that they could be moved to if things went bad. but I do not expect problems. Please, unless you have kept them and actually have researched them, don't give advice on something you do not know about. I believe @Fanatic said something about that once. However, knowing that I have a 36g to use as well, which is really what I am thinking about, would you suggest a group of otos for a 36g? I really thought they would be fine for a 10g. I have seen numerous people say that they can be kept in groups in 10g. I have told my mother about their various sensitivities, so she has decided against them.

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    Even 30 gallon is not enough... they need something more like a 75 gallon. And I think he was just using it as an example.
    You shouldn't rely on a fish to clean. I think you meant algae eating fish (just assuming).
    Depends on fish, plants, algae, etc.
     
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    Sorry, @abarb, I think 30g is the bare minimum, for example, a growout tank, but 60 - 80g normally, but I do not rely on fish to clean, did mean algae eaters, I do several water changes a week, around 25% each. I know he was using it as an example. And sorry for the outburst, everyone, I do not mean to mistreat any fish, I do think that most of you have good ideas. However, until you explained why you though that, I had no way to know what I would be doing wrong. Most of the time I am not this stupid, but I really did think they were fine in a 10g, I was skeptical of them to begin with, I was trying to find something that is not going to be eaten or be too large, and the oto looked like a decent choice, certainly better than my mother putting several BN plecos. Normally I research fairly well, thanks for saving me a lot of trouble.

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    I am a keeper of ottos and not a believer of them needing to be in big groups. I have a 45g with 3 in it and a 90 with 4. Ottos are a strange little fish. They need a planted tank with algae and micro film to eat. Yes after a time some may eat algae wafers. No guarantee they will. There’s just not enough algae in a 10gal for ottos. 30 would be the min for ottos.
    Also the betta will probably bother the Otto too. Have you tried nerite snails?
     
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    As a otocinclus owner (a successful one at that), yes, it could work. Will it work for you? I don't know.
     
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    I am about to, as soon as I can convince my mother that they are better cleaners. not to mention free snacks for the tetras in the form of eggs (Don't worry, I will continue feedings

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    Ottos are kind of sensitive, maybe try some cories or something like that.
     
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    I say go for it.
     
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    Nah. The otos in the area are low quality anyway. and I have no room for normal size cories, and all the pygmy cories in the area are wild caught (which I will not endorse, with the exception of hastatus because no one breeds it in captivity, so if you are breeding them that is fine, same with any other fish) so I will stick with snails. However, I do actually have a school of panda cories that I am slowly adding to the 36g. Trouble with the little buggers, in our area it has been a bad year for them in general.

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