Cory being harassed by my Bolivian Ram

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Hey,

So i've had a Bolivian Ram for about two weeks and he's been given my cory's a hard time. It used to only be at feeding time but now he's seems to go for them whenever they come close to him.

My tank is a peaceful one and I don't really want this Ram to upset the cory's. Any ideas on what I should do?

60 Litre Tank:
3 Plants
Bogwood
2 Juvenile Bala Sharks
3 Cory Assorted
Bolivian Ram
Flame Gourami
Juvenile Leopard Perch
Golden Apple Snail
Juvenile Synodontis Catfish
 

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Hmm... I have never had a problem out of my bolivan rams, but when other fish get like that, sometimes moving the bullly to a QT tank for a while and rearranging the decor in the main tank be fore reintroducing the fish can help.
 

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Hi Jbdub

To me it sound like your tank is well overstocked and that is the cause of the aggression. You have a number of semi-aggressive fish competing for not enough space and have too many bottom feeders to share the small footprint of the tank. Your ram doesn't have enough room to call his own and will continue to harass the other fish in your tank.

Not to come off too harsh, but I would suggest re-homing most of your fish as they do not belong in a 60L tank. In my opinion problems will only get worse as your juveniles get bigger unless you significantly alter your stocking.

Sorry to be so negative but I believe you'll have much better luck redoing your stock now before more problems arise.
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Lexi03 said:
Hmm... I have never had a problem out of my bolivan rams, but when other fish get like that, sometimes moving the bullly to a QT tank for a while and rearranging the decor in the main tank be fore reintroducing the fish can help.
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Hi Jbdub

To me it sound like your tank is well overstocked and that is the cause of the aggression. You have a number of semi-aggressive fish competing for not enough space and have too many bottom feeders to share the small footprint of the tank. Your ram doesn't have enough room to call his own and will continue to harass the other fish in your tank.

Not to come off too harsh, but I would suggest re-homing most of your fish as they do not belong in a 60L tank. In my opinion problems will only get worse as your juveniles get bigger unless you significantly alter your stocking.

Sorry to be so negative but I believe you'll have much better luck redoing your stock now before more problems arise.
-Bass master
Thanks for replies, I'm aware the tank will be too small for these guys in the long run. Most will be going into a 180L I'm getting in about 5 weeks.

My concern is should I take this guy out now or wait the 5 weeks. I don't mind a bit of chasing but are Red Rams known for killing other fish?
 

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Theres a good chance your ram will harass other fish until they die or get sick. Really any fish is capable of killing other fish in an over crowded tank. Even with several of your fish being juvies, you're really pushing the limits of your tank.

While aqadvisor.com is not a fully comprehensive stocking application, if you put in your current stock you'll be able to see quite a few areas of concern. You'll more than likely continue to have aggression problems until you change up your stock.

-Bass master

Edit: here's a link with your info put into aqadvisor
http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=&AquListBoxTank=User+Defined&AquTankLength=24&AquTankDepth=12&AquTankHeight=12&AquListBoxFilter=User+Defined&AquTextFilterRate=80+&AquListBoxFilter2=Choose&AquTextFilterRate2=N/A+&FormSubmit=Update&AquFilterString=Apple+snail&AquListBoxChooser=Apple+Snail+(Pomacea+bridgesii)&AquTextBoxQuantity=&AquTextBoxRemoveQuantity=&AlreadySelected=200909300005:3::,200909300012:2::,200909300031:1::,200909300http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=&AquListBoxTank=User+Defined&AquTankLength=24&AquTankDepth=12&AquTankHeight=12&AquListBoxFilter=User+Defined&AquTextFilterRate=80+&AquListBoxFilter2=Choose&AquTextFilterRate2=N/A+&FormSubmit=Update&AquFilterString=Apple+snail&AquListBoxChooser=Apple+Snail+(Pomacea+bridgesii)&AquTextBoxQuantity=&AquTextBoxRemoveQuantity=&AlreadySelected=200909300005:3::,200909300012:2::,200909300031:1::,200909300098:1::,201001081204:1::,201002241514:1::,200910221620:1::&FilterMode=Display+all+species&AqTempUnit=C&AqVolUnit=L&AqLengthUnit=inch&AqSortType=cname&FilterQuantity=2&AqJuvMode=&AqSpeciesWindowSize=short&AqSearchMode=simple098:1::,201001081204:1::,201002241514:1::,200910221620:1::&FilterMode=Display+all+species&AqTempUnit=C&AqVolUnit=L&AqLengthUnit=inch&AqSortType=cname&FilterQuantity=2&AqJuvMode=&AqSpeciesWindowSize=short&AqSearchMode=simple
 
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bass master said:
Theres a good chance your ram will harass other fish until they die or get sick. Really any fish is capable of killing other fish in an over crowded tank. Even with several of your fish being juvies, you're really pushing the limits of your tank.

While aqadvisor.com is not a fully comprehensive stocking application, if you put in your current stock you'll be able to see quite a few areas of concern. You'll more than likely continue to have aggression problems until you change up your stock.

-Bass master

Edit: here's a link with your info put into aqadvisor
http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=&AquListBoxTank=User+Defined&AquTankLength=24&AquTankDepth=12&AquTankHeight=12&AquListBoxFilter=User+Defined&AquTextFilterRate=80+&AquListBoxFilter2=Choose&AquTextFilterRate2=N/A+&FormSubmit=Update&AquFilterString=Apple+snail&AquListBoxChooser=Apple+Snail+(Pomacea+bridgesii)&AquTextBoxQuantity=&AquTextBoxRemoveQuantity=&AlreadySelected=200909300005:3::,200909300012:2::,200909300031:1::,200909300http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=&AquListBoxTank=User+Defined&AquTankLength=24&AquTankDepth=12&AquTankHeight=12&AquListBoxFilter=User+Defined&AquTextFilterRate=80+&AquListBoxFilter2=Choose&AquTextFilterRate2=N/A+&FormSubmit=Update&AquFilterString=Apple+snail&AquListBoxChooser=Apple+Snail+(Pomacea+bridgesii)&AquTextBoxQuantity=&AquTextBoxRemoveQuantity=&AlreadySelected=200909300005:3::,200909300012:2::,200909300031:1::,200909300098:1::,201001081204:1::,201002241514:1::,200910221620:1::&FilterMode=Display+all+species&AqTempUnit=C&AqVolUnit=L&AqLengthUnit=inch&AqSortType=cname&FilterQuantity=2&AqJuvMode=&AqSpeciesWindowSize=short&AqSearchMode=simple098:1::,201001081204:1::,201002241514:1::,200910221620:1::&FilterMode=Display+all+species&AqTempUnit=C&AqVolUnit=L&AqLengthUnit=inch&AqSortType=cname&FilterQuantity=2&AqJuvMode=&AqSpeciesWindowSize=short&AqSearchMode=simple
Thanks thats a cool site, when I put in all the accurate sizes it said I was 60% of stocking level. In saying that I know they need a bigger space hence me upgrading. Also I'm planning on getting an elephant nose with the new tank.

Rather than risk it and wait I think I'll take the Ram to my LFS. Kills me though because he's a very healthy vibrant looking fish. Ah well maybe he'll still be there when I get the new tank cycled
 
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