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CrazedHoosier said:
I have heard Europe has less bullying in school. The United States definitely cannot relate.
I heard that Finland have a better school system/education, something that Americans can't relate.
 

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CrazedHoosier said:
It sucks to be bullied for being passionate about something. I stopped being interested in fish altogether because of how hard I got bullied, but got into them again as a young teen. During my senior year of high school, not only was I a fish nerd, I was an animal nerd. I finally decided to just be open and honest about my hobbies and love for animals.
Yeah, I've been home schooled most of my life, so bullying was never an issue for me. Now I have a boyfriend who was bullied as a child, though, so I have some secondhand experience with the issue. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

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I heard that Finland have a better school system/education, something that Americans can't relate.
But honestly, is having a school system better than the American school system really saying much?
 

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Yeah, I've been home schooled most of my life, so bullying was never an issue for me. Now I have a boyfriend who was bullied as a child, though, so I have some secondhand experience with the issue. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
There were about three people who killed themselves from bullying when I was in high school. One was constantly bullied by the football team for being gay, and the other two weren’t disclosed. The reason I know about the first one was because the principals at the school knew about the bullying and apparently did nothing. The bullies were never expelled or suspended. Other high school students were so furious that they left class to hold a vigil for him. I remember leaving class to see it. It was so heartbreaking.
 

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CrazedHoosier said:
I have heard Europe has less bullying in school. The United States definitely cannot relate.
'Europe' isn't exactly that homogeneous you know :p We don't all attend the same teacher-parent conferences. (Pleasedontlumpustogetherwiththefrenchtyvm)
 

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There were about three people who killed themselves from bullying when I was in high school. One was constantly bullied by the football team for being gay, and the other two weren’t disclosed. The reason I know about the first one was because the principals at the school knew about the bullying and apparently did nothing. The bullies were never expelled or suspended. Other high school students were so furious that they left class to hold a vigil for him. I remember leaving class to see it. It was so heartbreaking.
THAT'S HORRIBLE! I am so sorry you had to experience that at your school and what jerks! Both the school and the bullies are bad in this situation. The bullies should be expelled and the school board should be fully replaced.
 

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CrazedHoosier said:
There were about three people who killed themselves from bullying when I was in high school. One was constantly bullied by the football team for being gay, and the other two weren’t disclosed. The reason I know about the first one was because the principals at the school knew about the bullying and apparently did nothing. The bullies were never expelled or suspended. Other high school students were so furious that they left class to hold a vigil for him. I remember leaving class to see it. It was so heartbreaking.
Meanwhile I had an openly transgender teacher in an outspoken Christian school... huh. Though he eventually had a sex chance operation and married a former student of the opposite gender who was 40 years younger... and then they got rid of him. Can't blame them. (S)he was bat-something-insane.
I don't know, bullying is something of a universal problem. I don't think it is that bad here but it still happens to some students. Though there is a very strong support system for those that are part of minorities (whether that is gender, sexuality or race related). The only 'faux pas' that is not protected is weight, I suppose. You really don't want to get caught bullying someone because they are gay outside of your inner circle in which that may be acceptable, that would be a horrible life decision socially speaking.. it is very strongly frowned upon.
 

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Every country has strengths and weaknesses. It is good to work on our weaknesses, but we must also take time to be grateful for our strengths.
 

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THAT'S HORRIBLE! I am so sorry you had to experience that at your school and what jerks! Both the school and the bullies are bad in this situation. The bullies should be expelled and the school board should be fully replaced.
Unfortunately, neither of those things happened. My city in particular was known for having severe bullying problems. The city in its center is very progressive, but the outskirts are very... redneck. There are only 2 public high schools in the city, so those types of people clash hard.
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Meanwhile I had an openly transgender teacher in an outspoken Christian school... huh. Though he eventually had a sex chance operation and married a former student of the opposite gender who was 40 years younger... and then they got rid of him. Can't blame them. (S)he was bat-something-insane.
I don't know, bullying is something of a universal problem. I don't think it is that bad here but it still happens to some students. Though there is a very strong support system for those that are part of minorities (whether that is gender, sexuality or race related). The only 'faux pas' that is not protected is weight, I suppose. You really don't want to get caught bullying someone because they are gay outside of your inner circle in which that may be acceptable, that would be a horrible life decision socially speaking.. it is very strongly frowned upon.
Hopefully they didn’t give the students a poor opinion of trans people. There’s bad people everywhere no matter what your beliefs or preferences are. Also, I got bullied in school for being fat, weird, and I also got called the slang term for gay. The only thing I never got bullied for was my race. White privilege I guess.

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Every country has strengths and weaknesses. It is good to work on our weaknesses, but we must also take time to be grateful for our strengths.
We do have a very large and powerful military. I’m not sure of other strengths we have, though.
 

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Unfortunately, neither of those things happened. My city in particular was known for having severe bullying problems. The city in its center is very progressive, but the outskirts are very... redneck. There are only 2 public high schools in the city, so those types of people clash hard.

Hopefully they didn’t give the students a poor opinion of trans people. There’s bad people everywhere no matter what your beliefs or preferences are. Also, I got bullied in school for being fat, weird, and I also got called the slang term for gay. The only thing I never got bullied for was my race. White privilege I guess.
Meh, who knows. There was also a transgender student that was catching eyes and then the school board put out of sort of public service announcement for everyone in the same year in collaboration with the student, to explain the situation (and give out a strict warning that anyone caught gossiping disrespectfully would be strictly disciplined - which I thought quite progressive for that kind of school).
I should point out that many schools have some kind of specialised identity (this one was Christian, the most common one) but that doesn't at all mean most of the students/staff identify as such. School policy depends on the individual school and can vary from mildly reminding people around Christmas times that "oh yeah, our school is explicitly Christian" to Thee-shall-pray-every-morning!. In the main cities is almost always the former though.
But then there were a few children at my school (I'm talking HS btw) with parents that were just completely nutterbuttered zealots. I don't think their kids would have had a good impression of certain groups no matter what they encountered at that school..

Overall though, religion isn't nearly as big here as in the States. The largest group in the country identifies as atheist and that category is growing. Kind of weird how half of the schools (both primary and HS) are explicitly religious..
 

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CrazedHoosier said:
We do have a very large and powerful military. I’m not sure of other strengths we have, though.
Eh that really is selling yourself short. Aside from all the poor things we can say about the current economy and social balance and so on, you have the most popular culture in the world if we are counting cultural export products... you solidified English as the international world language.. you invented tons of stuff that everyone uses and (at least up to a recent point in time) welcomed those that were not your own at unprecedented rates, allowing talented people that would otherwise have perished or not allowed to thrive a platform to better global development. And so on, and so forth.
 

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PascalKrypt said:
Meh, who knows. There was also a transgender student that was catching eyes and then the school board put out of sort of public service announcement for everyone in the same year in collaboration with the student, to explain the situation (and give out a strict warning that anyone caught gossiping disrespectfully would be strictly disciplined - which I thought quite progressive for that kind of school).
I should point out that many schools have some kind of specialised identity (this one was Christian, the most common one) but that doesn't at all mean most of the students/staff identify as such. School policy depends on the individual school and can vary from mildly reminding people around Christmas times that "oh yeah, our school is explicitly Christian" to Thee-shall-pray-every-morning!. In the main cities is almost always the former though.
But then there were a few children at my school (I'm talking HS btw) with parents that were just completely nutterbuttered zealots. I don't think their kids would have had a good impression of certain groups no matter what they encountered at that school..

Overall though, religion isn't nearly as big here as in the States. The largest group in the country identifies as atheist and that category is growing. Kind of weird how half of the schools (both primary and HS) are explicitly religious..
I think a lot of America takes religion too far, and don’t understand the separation of religion from politics.
 
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CMB said:
But honestly, is having a school system better than the American school system really saying much?
Yes. Those Finns have an education system that is the complete opposite from Americans and they are ranked one of the highest countries with the best education.
 

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Eh that really is selling yourself short. Aside from all the poor things we can say about the current economy and social balance and so on, you have the most popular culture in the world if we are counting cultural export products... you solidified English as the international world language.. you invented tons of stuff that everyone uses and (at least up to a recent point in time) welcomed those that were not your own at unprecedented rates, allowing talented people that would otherwise have perished or not allowed to thrive a platform to better global development. And so on, and so forth.
I’m not so sure the United States solely solidified English as the international language, and if it did, I’m not sure that could be qualified as a strength. I wouldn’t qualify inventing things as a strength, either. I’m unsure of the welcoming people thing, as it seems very different inside the actual United States. You can welcome people into your country, and you can be welcoming to people in your country. Maybe the U.S let’s people inside in high numbers, but you have people like the president of the United States trying to ban said people, and also supporting hate groups against them. I think the United States is closer to another civil war than anything.
 

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We do have a very large and powerful military. I’m not sure of other strengths we have, though.
I do not want to get into a debate about national strengths and weaknesses, but there is no other country I would rather live in.
 
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CrazedHoosier said:
There were about three people who killed themselves from bullying when I was in high school. One was constantly bullied by the football team for being gay, and the other two weren’t disclosed. The reason I know about the first one was because the principals at the school knew about the bullying and apparently did nothing. The bullies were never expelled or suspended. Other high school students were so furious that they left class to hold a vigil for him. I remember leaving class to see it. It was so heartbreaking.
Here's what I think of bullies: I think that bullies are a bunch of wimps who only wanted to target the weak. If anyone wants to bully, go start bullying a tough guy instead of a person who has no means of defense.
 

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I’m not so sure the United States solely solidified English as the international language, and if it did, I’m not sure that could be qualified as a strength. I wouldn’t qualify inventing things as a strength, either. I’m unsure of the welcoming people thing, as it seems very different inside the actual United States. You can welcome people into your country, and you can be welcoming to people in your country. Maybe the U.S let’s people inside in high numbers, but you have people like the president of the United States trying to ban said people, and also supporting hate groups against them. I think the United States is closer to another civil war than anything.
I did say "discounting the current situation" :p And with that 'welcoming of talent' I was thinking several decades back, actually.
Inventing things counts as a strength since you need to have a climate that encourages such developments.

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Yes. Those Finns have an education system that is the complete opposite from Americans and they are ranked one of the highest countries with the best education.
Not sure if I trust those rankings, googling them I see the U.S. is also in the top 10 or 20 on most, and two consistently high ranking countries including places I have been to and studied on exchange, and I can tell you the students there think their education system is complete garbage.

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I do not want to get into a debate about national strengths and weaknesses, but there is no other country I would rather live in.
Canada? Because if I had to choose between Canada and the U.S., I'm sorry but I'd be going for the former. Mostly because I wouldn't want to live in a place where socialised medicine isn't a thing.
But to each his own! We all have different values that we treasure.
 
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Not sure if I trust those rankings, googling them I see the U.S. is also in the top 10 or 20 on most, and two consistently high ranking countries including places I have been to and studied on exchange, and I can tell you the students there think their education system is complete garbage.
Huh. I thought the rankings were in particular order, with Finland ranking at around 3rd or 2nd place.
 

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Huh. I thought the rankings were in particular order, with Finland ranking at around 3rd or 2nd place.
There are many different ones (though most appear to have roughly the same results) so not sure which you are talking about?

... though several of them have "united states" in their title, not sure how (un)biased those would be...
 

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Overall though, religion isn't nearly as big here as in the States. The largest group in the country identifies as atheist and that category is growing. Kind of weird how half of the schools (both primary and HS) are explicitly religious..
This is definitely on the rise. In the past religion used to pretty much decide what would happen in Ireland. Nowadays most of the younger people don't believe at all. Many see it as a joke tbh. It seems to be passing with the older generations.
 

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I do not want to get into a debate about national strengths and weaknesses, but there is no other country I would rather live in.
To be honest, I don’t think I would live in any other country either. Mostly because I’m too poor to leave, but also because my preferred destination would be off of earth.
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There are many different ones (though most appear to have roughly the same results) so not sure which you are talking about?

... though several of them have "united states" in their title, not sure how (un)biased those would be...
It’s so hard to get a general consensus of success in the United States’ education system. It varies greatly even across cities.
 
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