Completely/Evenly Random Discussion 2: The Randomer Discussion - Page 15

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Crispii

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NC122606 said:
Charging in but...
How is everyone doing?
Fine. I now have a few days off from school this week.
 

NC122606

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Crispii said:
Fine. I now have a few days off from school this week.
Nice! Same aswell!
 

CMB

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Crispii said:
Fine. I now have a few days off from school this week.
Same here, though I really need to work on some stuff over break. I've got too many assignments to take off entirely.
 
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Crispii

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CMB said:
Same here, though I really need to work on some stuff over break. I've got too many assignments to take off entirely.
The post-Thanksgiving break will be rough for me. I have two exams and a paper that I have to do when I get back from the break. Not only that, but the week I came back from break won't be finals week!

Welp. Looks like I failed my English paper again.
 

CMB

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Crispii said:
The post-Thanksgiving break will be rough for me. I have two exams and a paper that I have to do when I get back from the break. Not only that, but the week I came back from break won't be finals week!

Welp. Looks like I failed my English paper again.
I really wish those darn professors would stop making getting back from break such a pain. I've got 5 research based assignments, two tests, and a bunch of other stuff that I've got to do when this week is over. I want to work ahead, but I just can't seem to motivate myself to do anything.

And how badly do you suppose you did on this one?
 
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Crispii

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CMB said:
And how badly do you suppose you did on this one?
Very badly lol.
 

PascalKrypt

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I did a full round of testing on (almost) all community tanks today since I'm planning on a tank shuffle.. wondering if it would be interesting to start a thread on the results?
Not that I found surprises (all were perfectly well cycled, most were 0/0/0), just thought it might be interesting since they are all filterless and not everyone on this site seems convinced that works with a normal stocking (let alone overstocking).

In the meantime I'm trying to figure out how my new blackwater tank also came back as 0/0/0.. I was expecting a mild ammonia reading.. hmm >.<
 

BlackSkirtTetra

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PascalKrypt said:
In the meantime I'm trying to figure out how my new blackwater tank also came back as 0/0/0.. I was expecting a mild ammonia reading.. hmm >.<
Perhaps it cycled faster than you thought. How long have you had it?
 

PascalKrypt

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BlackSkirtTetra said:
Perhaps it cycled faster than you thought. How long have you had it?
Well that's the thing, I didn't cycle it on purpose because the PH hovers around 5.5. It was supposed to just have a mild buildup of harmless ammonium (lightly stocked). But for some reason nothing seems to be building up after a week even though there are snails pooping in there and there are two fish stocked as well. Hmm..
The only thing I can think of is that I added leaves from buckets with rainwater that had been standing outside for a good long while, but then I should have seen nitrates right? Not sure if under those circumstances nitrate-eating bacteria would form, the leaves were not super densely packed and aren't at all now (thin layer on a bare-bottom tank).
Edit: well that, and maybe somehow I have a test that only measures ammonia and not ammonium? I thought they always did, but maybe not this one... (JBL). I can't seem to find good info on this.
 

BlackSkirtTetra

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PascalKrypt said:
Well that's the thing, I didn't cycle it on purpose because the PH hovers around 5.5. It was supposed to just have a mild buildup of harmless ammonium (lightly stocked). But for some reason nothing seems to be building up after a week even though there are snails pooping in there and there are two fish stocked as well. Hmm..
The only thing I can think of is that I added leaves from buckets with rainwater that had been standing outside for a good long while, but then I should have seen nitrates right? Not sure if under those circumstances nitrate-eating bacteria would form, the leaves were not super densely packed and aren't at all now (thin layer on a bare-bottom tank).
I know that the tank water contains very little Beneficial bacteria, but that’s the only thing that comes to mind. Could the leaves be holding some sort of bacteria on them? Bacteria can form in many different places.

Anyways if you have fish there its probably a good thing that the tank is showing no ammonia or nitrates.
 

NC122606

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Quick question, I’m not going to do the bucket dosing, I might end up just getting a hospital tank just for that.
Question how do I set up one?
I know the tank, heater, and etc.
But what about filtration?
 
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Crispii

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NC122606 said:
Quick question, I’m not going to do the bucket dosing, I might end up just getting a hospital tank just for that.
Question how do I set up one?
I know the tank, heater, and etc.
But what about filtration?
You can use plain sponge filters. If you're going to use any HOB or canister filters, I highly recommend not adding any activated carbon in case you wanted to add medications or IAL.
 

NC122606

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Crispii said:
You can use plain sponge filters. If you're going to use any HOB or canister filters, I highly recommend not adding any activated carbon in case you wanted to add medications or IAL.
Ok thanks, so I’m a bit confused on the cycle. So the tank will not be cycled since the medication will ruin it?
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
Ok thanks, so I’m a bit confused on the cycle. So the tank will not be cycled since the medication will ruin it?
That remains to be seen (just test it to keep an eye on it). It is possible for the cycle to be lost but I've also dosed MB directly in the tank and not lost even a sliver of my cycle. So it varies.
 

NC122606

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PascalKrypt said:
That remains to be seen (just test it to keep an eye on it). It is possible for the cycle to be lost but I've also dosed MB directly in the tank and not lost even a sliver of my cycle. So it varies.
Thanks, I do have a bit of cycled media but I don’t think it would be a good idea to use it for this... So a sponge filter? What can I do to help the fish since the fish will be in a uncycled tank. (Pearl Gourami.)
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
Thanks, I do have a bit of cycled media but I don’t think it would be a good idea to use it for this... So a sponge filter? What can I do to help the fish since the fish will be in a uncycled tank. (Pearl Gourami.)
Unless the filter is pre-cycled, I wouldn't add a filter at all. A tank in the process of cycling will see nitrite spikes, whereas in an uncycled tank only ammonia builds up. Ammonia is way less toxic, so if you do regular water changes it shouldn't be a problem. Add some floating plants to make the gouramI feel more at home, keep it bare-bottom for quick and easy vacuuming. I think that's about it unless you wanted advise with something specific?
 

NC122606

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PascalKrypt said:
Unless the filter is pre-cycled, I wouldn't add a filter at all. A tank in the process of cycling will see nitrite spikes, whereas in an uncycled tank only ammonia builds up. Ammonia is way less toxic, so if you do regular water changes it shouldn't be a problem. Add some floating plants to make the gouramI feel more at home, keep it bare-bottom for quick and easy vacuuming. I think that's about it unless you wanted advise with something specific?
All I needed! Thank you so much!!!

Update...
I ended up getting a 10 gallon tank!
Tank is filled up right now and now I am just waiting for the temp to drop, it’s pretty high right now.
I also picked up API Parasitic Care and Melafix.
 

NC122606

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Ugh, I feel really bad I let it get this bad.
Got him in the tank...
Which treatment should I start with?
Bacterial, Fungal, or Parasitic?
Not saying it’s all of them but I have Parasitic to be safe.


Kind of looks bacterial to me...
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
Ugh, I feel really bad I let it get this bad.
Got him in the tank...
Which treatment should I start with?
Bacterial, Fungal, or Parasitic?
Not saying it’s all of them but I have Parasitic to be safe.


Kind of looks bacterial to me...
Oh wow... uhh, if the fungal and bacterial can be combined (or if the bacterial contains antiseptics) then go for both at once. If not then I agree with you and would go bacterial first.
Are those uh, stains/bumps/marks near the analfin raised? They look more like growths/lumps than they do fungal growths, or is that just me?
 

NC122606

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PascalKrypt said:
Oh wow... uhh, if the fungal and bacterial can be combined (or if the bacterial contains antiseptics) then go for both at once. If not then I agree with you and would go bacterial first.
Are those uh, stains/bumps/marks near the analfin raised? They look more like growths/lumps than they do fungal growths, or is that just me?
Nope I don’t think it contains that, the bumps don’t appear to be raised.
Also white is not looking fuzzy anymore.

Never mind they do appear raised.
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
Never mind they do appear raised.
See, I was thinking of this
But that doesn't completely explain the symptoms so treating for bacterial is probably a good move.
 

NC122606

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PascalKrypt said:
See, I was thinking of this
But that doesn't completely explain the symptoms so treating for bacterial is probably a good move.
Ok thanks! That’s what I was thinking of and I heard of it only once before and thought of it...
I’ll start Melafix tonight and just wondering, since this a fairly new tank should I only be dosing 3 days or 7 days since the back reads “Adding new fish: Dose daily for 3 days.”
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
Ok thanks! That’s what I was thinking of and I heard of it only once before and thought of it...
I’ll start Melafix tonight and just wondering, since this a fairly new tank should I only be dosing 3 days or 7 days since the back reads “Adding new fish: Dose daily for 3 days.”
Melafix won't do much for a serious bacterial infection (it is essentially the same as putting IAL in your tank, but you can't overdose dried leaves so I would go to those first). You can try it naturally if you want, but if you see no improvement after 2 or 3 days I would move on to a more serious medication.
Have you used the methylene blue? (It actually does the same as melafix but 10x better, so if that didn't help then melafix certainly won't)
 

NC122606

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PascalKrypt said:
Melafix won't do much for a serious bacterial infection (it is essentially the same as putting IAL in your tank, but you can't overdose dried leaves so I would go to those first). You can try it naturally if you want, but if you see no improvement after 2 or 3 days I would move on to a more serious medication.
Have you used the methylene blue? (It actually does the same as melafix but 10x better, so if that didn't help then melafix certainly won't)
I could do the methylene blue real quick, I might do the dip real quick and put him back?
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
I could do the methylene blue real quick, I might do the dip real quick and put him back?
Yes, try that. When I dip, I usually put the fish back in a small floater (to maintain temp), then do a near 100% water change. That knocks back the bacterial population in the tank while the fish comes back cleansed of external bacteria on its body. Helps prevent re-infections. I would also do a light (1 teaspoon of 2 or 3% solution per 10 gallons, or so that the water a slight blue colouring - redose when the colour fades) dosing in the tank itself.
 

NC122606

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It was a mess!
That stuff really does stain...
But other than the big mess let’s just say the dip went good and the gouramI is back in the tank...
Also I feel bad for my female gourami... She looks so sad now...
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
It was a mess!
That stuff really does stain...
But other than the big mess let’s just say the dip went good and the gouramI is back in the tank...
Also I feel bad for my female gourami... She looks so sad now...
It definitely does!
Poor lonely girl! My female pearl turns from a shy fish into a prowler when I move her partner. Not so sure if they make a good couple - or maybe they just keep each other in check? The male is exactly the opposite, he is more vigorous when with her and turns considerably more shy when I move her away.
 

DoraCory

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I found £20 inside a second-hand book I bought for £2.50, many years ago.
 
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Crispii

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My future 5 gallon wild betta tank.

Still needs a little more plants.
 

PascalKrypt

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Crispii said:
My future 5 gallon wild betta tank.

Still needs a little more plants.
Rocking the buce! (that must have been expensive owo)
 

NC122606

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Crispii said:
My future 5 gallon wild betta tank.

Still needs a little more plants.
I like it!

Also update on gourami...

I think he looks a lot (or a little) better than before, do you think I should start Melafix dosing for the fin rot? (Or is it even fin for?)
I know for Melafix I need to go less powerful as labyrinth fish can’t handle it.
Or is there no fin rot and only the bumps I should wait on? Also finally got him eating again but slowly.
 
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Crispii

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PascalKrypt said:
Rocking the buce! (that must have been expensive owo)
Not really. I know a guy who gives me a good deal.
 

FinalFins

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Crispii, nice tank there!

NC122606 sorry bout the fish, I wouldn't start the melafix, it is arguably not gonna help nor good for labyrinth fish or any fish in general. If I am not mistaken you think it is bacterial?
 

NC122606

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FinalFins said:
Crispii, nice tank there!

NC122606 sorry bout the fish, I wouldn't start the melafix, it is arguably not gonna help nor good for labyrinth fish or any fish in general. If I am not mistaken you think it is bacterial?
Yeah I’m thinking it may be but it is probably the disease that was mentioned by Krypt. So I am probably just waiting for a while... Seems better than yesterday as he actually did eat the food.
 

PascalKrypt

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NC122606 said:
I like it!

Also update on gourami...

I think he looks a lot (or a little) better than before, do you think I should start Melafix dosing for the fin rot? (Or is it even fin for?)
I know for Melafix I need to go less powerful as labyrinth fish can’t handle it.
Or is there no fin rot and only the bumps I should wait on? Also finally got him eating again but slowly.
Great clear picture! Looking at this picture, it doesn't seem to be lymphocistis at all. Rather, the growths you initially had appear to have been fungal indeed and were cleared. The white stains/spots you see now are just the exposed fish flesh - the slime coat has disintegrated in those spots. The cause of the fin rot and the wounds on the body are probably one and the same. And I do think it is most likely they are bacterial.
Like I said before, don't bother with melafix. It is no more effective than adding dried leaves/IAL to your water. Just continue keeping the water pristine and doing dips.
Keep a close eye on the fins to see if you see red/bloody streaks developing.
 

FinalFins

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DoubleDutch

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PascalKrypt said:
Great clear picture! Looking at this picture, it doesn't seem to be lymphocistis at all. Rather, the growths you initially had appear to have been fungal indeed and were cleared. The white stains/spots you see now are just the exposed fish flesh - the slime coat has disintegrated in those spots. The cause of the fin rot and the wounds on the body are probably one and the same. And I do think it is most likely they are bacterial.
Like I said before, don't bother with melafix. It is no more effective than adding dried leaves/IAL to your water. Just continue keeping the water pristine and doing dips.
Keep a close eye on the fins to see if you see red/bloody streaks developing.
Are you sure about Lymphocystis
 

NC122606

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Update:
I’m going to start using Stress Coat to hopefully help with the wounds.
Also flake colored poop?
 

FinalFins

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I am pretty sure stress coat is just aloe vera added to dechlorinator, not sure if it will help or not but won't hurt to try.
 

PascalKrypt

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DoubleDutch said:
Are you sure about Lymphocystis
Nope, not at all. But from that last picture it look more like chunks are missing from the flesh and that the white stuff are pits, instead of them being bumps or swelling.

NC122606 said:
Update:
I’m going to start using Stress Coat to hopefully help with the wounds.
Also flake colored poop?
Did that white string in the front also drop from the fish? That looks a little weird. The poop I don't think is abnormal unless you feed the same as always and it suddenly looks different? Food with colouring will cause the poop to be coloured as well.
 

DoubleDutch

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PascalKrypt said:
Nope, not at all. But from that last picture it look more like chunks are missing from the flesh and that the white stuff are pits, instead of them being bumps or swelling.


Did that white string in the front also drop from the fish? That looks a little weird. The poop I don't think is abnormal unless you feed the same as always and it suddenly looks different? Food with colouring will cause the poop to be coloured as well.
But the common name of Lymphocystis is Cauliflower disease cause of the Cauliflower shaped "tumors"on the fish.

This more or less looks like HITH or Lateral Line Erosion to me.
 

PascalKrypt

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DoubleDutch said:
But the common name of Lymphocystis is Cauliflower disease cause of the Cauliflower shaped "tumors"on the fish.

This more or less looks like HITH or Lateral Line Erosion to me.
? I think you missed the part where I said "it doesn't seem to be lymphocystis" after seeing a close up picture.

But that is a good one, I hadn't thought of HITH/HLLE at all because I'd never seen it in a gouramI before. It does look like that.
 

DoubleDutch

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PascalKrypt said:
? I think you missed the part where I said "it doesn't seem to be lymphocystis" after seeing a close up picture.

But that is a good one, I hadn't thought of HITH/HLLE at all because I'd never seen it in a gouramI before. It does look like that.
Missed that indeed. Apologies.
 

PascalKrypt

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DoubleDutch said:
Missed that indeed. Apologies.
Isn't the location for HITH a bit odd though, since most of the damage/pits are on the fins and only one or two are near the head? Most damage seems to be in the rear and I was under the impression that HITH would only affect the body and not appear on the fin tissue.
 

DoubleDutch

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PascalKrypt said:
Isn't the location for HITH a bit odd though, since most of the damage/pits are on the fins and only one or two are near the head? Most damage seems to be in the rear and I was under the impression that HITH would only affect the body and not appear on the fin tissue.
Agree for that. Just did a "flagellates in Pearl Gourami" search at the internet haha.
I have seen this before but not sure what it was diagnosed as.
 

PascalKrypt

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And now for something completely different:

What is everyone's favourite tank? By that I mean - what is the best/most beautiful/most impressive tank you've seen *in real life* (so skipping videos and photos)?
If you've never seen anyone else's tanks this should be easy pickings, hehe.
 
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Crispii

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PascalKrypt said:
And now for something completely different:

What is everyone's favourite tank? By that I mean - what is the best/most beautiful/most impressive tank you've seen *in real life* (so skipping videos and photos)?
If you've never seen anyone else's tanks this should be easy pickings, hehe.
So far, it's my 5 gallon tank that will be housing a pair of wild bettas. Sorry Altum tank.

However, my favorite tank that I've seen that wasn't mine is the Altum angelfish tank at one of my LFS.
 

Feohw

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I haven't seen many other peoples tanks. My LFS has some display tanks that are absolutely stunning. Really wish they could have designed my tank for me. My tank will never be good enough when I have to see those tanks every few weeks/months.
 

PascalKrypt

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Feohw said:
I haven't seen many other peoples tanks. My LFS has some display tanks that are absolutely stunning. Really wish they could have designed my tank for me. My tank will never be good enough when I have to see those tanks every few weeks/months.
Oh yes, that paludarium at the convention! Even with unlimited money I'm pretty sure I could never match that... some pros are the real deal. Sounds like a good LFS

But skipping paludariums and unstocked scapers tanks set up to last a moment, the most impressive one I've seen would be a 20 gallon stocked with a colony of killis, that was so packed with spotless and vibrantly reddish-purple coloured crypts that I couldn't even see the colour of the substrate from above. It looked like an underwater rainforest canopy and was zero tech (somehow) *.* If I ever get my tanks to look like that I will have accomplished greatness.
 

Feohw

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PascalKrypt said:
Oh yes, that paludarium at the convention! Even with unlimited money I'm pretty sure I could never match that... some pros are the real deal. Sounds like a good LFS

But skipping paludariums and unstocked scapers tanks set up to last a moment, the most impressive one I've seen would be a 20 gallon stocked with a colony of killis, that was so packed with spotless and vibrantly reddish-purple coloured crypts that I couldn't even see the colour of the substrate from above. It looked like an underwater rainforest canopy and was zero tech (somehow) *.* If I ever get my tanks to look like that I will have accomplished greatness.
Its really a great LFS. And the display tanks are very good for marketing purposes. I had noticed before that they don't sell too much rock. In the last month they rescaped a really beautiful heavily planted tank into a moderately planted dragon stone tank. Stunning. Naturally the marketing ploy didn't have an effect on me, so I found myself rummaging through the dragon stone section before I had even looked at any fish. Seems it didn't have an impact on anyone else, seeing as how the shelf was nearly empty.

That tank sounds lovely. Makes me want reddish/purplish crypts without even setting eyes on it.... Always wanted killis too. Those I've seen can give saltwater fish a run for their money.
 

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