Columnaris fish disease?

  1. Simona Initiate Member

    Hello. I need help with a disease killing fish in my tank :(
    My tank has 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite and 10 nitrates, temp 75, ph is 7.8 and kh is 4 and GH is 11 (just did the testing before posting), have a 55 gal with two Aquaclear 70 with purigen and matrix, airstone, UV Sterilizer and 5 goldfish, 4 tetras and 10 plants and gravel and has been running for 1 year.
    Last week one of my goldfish showed signs of sickness by sitting at the bottom and up top of the water, also 3 days before he died he was starting to be really skinny like something was sucking all the fluids/fats out of him. He didn't have any bent spine or skeletal deformities before he died and he ate until the night before he died. I saw white stringy poop in my aquarium before and along with the skinny disease and after reading online I thought it was parasites. I when to the LFS and got Seachem Metronidazole, Seachem Focus and Seachem Garlic Guard and Seachem Kanaplex (i was told to feed only for 3 days with Kanaplex) I mixed in with their pellet food as per instruction and gave it to the fish for 7 days and I have still 4 days left. But, there is another problem that started about few days ago which is I think Columnaris because of the hazy white film that I see at the edge of all of their scales and some white on fins and 2 of my goldfish lay on bottom sometimes and swim very slow with their fins around their bodies but they still eat. I had a molly in there as well and yesterday I noticed she wasn't eating, spitting out food and had the white hazy stuff a bit on her and I found her dead this morning laying against a plant and my husband thought she was sleeping...
    I called the LFS and they told me to keep giving them the food mix and also treat with Melafix/Pimafix for 7 days for Columnaris. I started treatment yesterday but 1 molly died so far and they all still seem to have it but they aren't doing worse either? Should I wait another day and then start with another medicine ? can you please give me advice on what I should do? I don't want to lose anyone fish this is affecting me so much I always tried to help them and do the right thing and this is so frustrating. Also, I would like (if possible) a medicine that doesn't kill good bacteria and plants.

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  2. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    Hi Simona welcome to FishLore!!

    Melafix and Pimafix might be ok if there was just a teeny bit of mouth fungus.
    Columnaris can be a fast moving and aggressive bacterial infection.
    Kanaplex would be a better choice, imo.
    It's a pretty strong med. One of those that could also have adverse effects on fish.
     

  3. Simona Initiate Member

    Thank you :) I fed them Kanaplex mixed in with food for 3 days already with the other meds mentioned above...should i keep feeding them with the food? If yes, for how many days and do I stop the Melafix/Pimafix as well?
     

  4. AlyeskaGirl Fishlore VIP Member

    I am sorry for your loss.

    Your fish are stressed and getting secondary infections.

    Melafix and Pimafix are not strong enough for Columnaris.

    I used Maracyn and Maracyn-Two together. Or Erythromycin with Maracyn two which is the same as Maracyn.
     

  5. Simona Initiate Member

    Thanks for replying. Columnaris is a gram negative disease and I read that Maracyn 2 which is for gram negative can kill the good bacteria, so is it better to use Kanaplex instead? I have plants and also I am worried about the good bacteria dying but i been using Kanaplex in food for 3 days already and they seem the same.
     
  6. Wendy Lubianetsky Well Known Member Member

    I am sorry for you loss of fish. I am a big believer in Mela and Pimafix and I wouldn't treat columnaris with it. That is much too powerful a bug to rely on just an herbal remedy. Are you sure it wasn't parasites if they have long stringy poop. The aforementioned would not help with that either.
     
  7. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    Hi there fellow Floridian =D

    What size tank is this? Over stocking a tank can lead to all sorts of diseases that may not respond to treatment until the fish are upgraded or the tank properly stocked. Its stressful being crowded all the time ;)

    That said, I've never successfully treated columnaris. I bought a fish with it, and was lucky enough to have removed that fish before my other fish (Neon Tetras, surprisingly) got it. The one fish ended up dying :/

    But thats not to say that its hard to get rid of, if you do it right. Good luck :)
     
  8. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    True. Kanaplex and the maracyns would not help with parasites.
    Not sure if you can mix Kanaplex with an anti parasite food.
    I think you with the maracyns. Not postive though.
     
  9. Simona Initiate Member

    Well I am treating for parasites atm with Kanaplex antibiotic mixed in and it's been 3 days and I see no improvement but they aren't getting worse either well besides my molly dying. So maybe I should put Kanaplex in the water as well or? Also, I read that Sulfa medicines are good too. The reason I am treating with herbal medicine is because it's safer for good bacteria and plants but in the end i rather save my fish :(

    I called Seachem and they said I can put Kanaplex in with the anti parasite food.
     
  10. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    Thanks! That's good to know for future reference.
     
  11. Simona Initiate Member

    Well when I put on the light today I saw that they had a bit more white on them than yesterday so I went to Petsmart and bought some Triple Sulfa. I did a 25% water change and going to medicate with it for the next 4 days and I also bought some bottle of Top fin bacterial supplement to put in the water after the treatment to help with the good bacteria. Hope this works, I will keep you posted of my results.
     
  12. catsma_97504 Fishlore Legend Member

    Welcome to Fishlore.

    Please use more caution when dealing with medicines as many do not work well together. A 25% water change is not enough to have removed the original meds.

    Your fish do not appear to have columnaris to me. Instead it appears that they are coated in a thin white covering, which is velvet. This is a parasitic infection. Instead of antibiotics you need something like QuickCure to kill the parasite.

    Good luck treating your fish!
     
  13. Simona Initiate Member

    The meds I was using in the water were Melafix/Pimafix which I used for 1 day and after I did 25% water change and I put back the Purigen for 3-4 hours to suck up the meds then I took it out and treated with Triple Sulfa. I thought it was Columnaris because they velvet symptoms don't match for my fish as they do not scratch against surfaces or have dusty or gold film on skin... the other people that answer didn't say it wasn't and right now I am treating for Columnaris.. and I am also still feeding my anti parasite food medicine I still got 3 more days left on that.
     
  14. Aquarist Fishlore Legend Member

    Good morning,

    :animal0068:I have moved your thread from Freshwater Fish and Invertebrates to Freshwater Fish Disease section of the forum.

    Best wishes for your fish!

    Ken
     
  15. Simona Initiate Member

    Before I went to work today I put on my light to see how they are doing and they seem ok but then I noticed even more white patches and larger on their bodies and on some I saw white strings coming out of their bodies! I don't think Triple Sulfa is working guys maybe Sulfa is not strong enough? Any other suggestions?? I don't know what to do, I read that Furan 2 and Kanamycin help better? What is your experience with those? What should I do at this point?
     
  16. Wendy Lubianetsky Well Known Member Member

    There is one thing you could try, Tetra came out with a new product called Tetra Lifeguard. They are the makers of Tetra Saft Start that has such a good reputation. I used it successfully to treat ich twice. I know you don't have ich, but the claim on the Lifeguard box is that is is an ALL IN ONE medication. If is supposed to be a broad spectrum medication to kill most bugs (I know that they can't catch everything in one med.). It is just a thought if you want to try something differant. My fish came out of the treatment with the medication very well, it doesn't turn your tank green. They call it halo shield protection.

    I don't know what else to tell you. Maybe someone else will happen along with a better recommendation.:-\
     
  17. greenbeanette Member Member

  18. Simona Initiate Member

    Thank you guys so much for answering me, I really appreciate it :) I just checked that web site and Columnaris comes in 2nd and in the first is Glossatella but after looking at the pictures I am 100% sure is Columnaris... I just need a good treatment for it I guess. So far I tried the Melafix/Pimafix and Triple Sulfa and every time it seem it gotten worse.
     
  19. greenbeanette Member Member

    I'd go with Maracyn 1 and 2 (both) or Maracyn Plus.
     
  20. AlyeskaGirl Fishlore VIP Member

    White stringy material, sounds like Columnaris to me. Been down that road.

    Is the temp lowered down to 72-75?. Warmer water makes it thrive.

    I used Erythromycin (Maracyn) and Maracyn-two with CopperSafe. I had ICH first and the warmer water of 86 to combat ICH triggered it.

    I don't know anything about those other meds.

    I'm sorry your fish are sick.