ReproachfulLoach
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Hello Fishlore, I feel pretty incompetent and need some community help. In a nutshell (detailed sad saga below): over the past few months, a few fish died with similar symptoms that look like a worm infection. Now I see the symptoms in my favorite clown loaches and I want to save them.
Questions:
What is the water volume of the tank? - 350L
How long has the tank been running? - 5 months
Does it have a filter? - yes
Does it have a heater? - yes
What is the water temperature? - 25,5 C
What is the entire stocking of this tank?
How often do you change the water? - weekly/once every 2 weeks
How much of the water do you change? - 30% if weekly, 50% if biweekly
What do you use to treat your water? - Tetra AquaSafe
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? - vacuum during every water change
*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? - yes, ghost feeding method
What do you use to test the water? - Sera NO3, NO2, NH4/NH3 tests, Dajana pH test kit
What are your parameters? - I check regularly, they don’t change much since the tank finished cycling.
How often do you feed your fish? 2 x per day
How much do you feed your fish? Morning: 5g Hikari micro wafers + 2-3g Hirer sinking algae wafers; evening - 2g Hikari micro wafers
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Hikari, occasionally live tubifex (instead of dry food) and veggies
Do you feed frozen? Not any more
Do you feed freeze-dried foods? No
Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? - neon tetras, loaches - since August; barbs/small loaches since December
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? Neon tetras - December; barb - February, loaches - March
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? - fish becomes thin, looses interest in food, becomes apathetic, slightly uncoordinated, swim alone and hang near the filter intake, gills become red or stand out.
Have you started any treatment for the illness? - Esha 2000 for neon tetras, Tremazid for barbs and loaches, mixing food with crushed garlic for the past 2 days.
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? 1 of the baby loaches had malformed front fins.
Explain your emergency situation in detail.
In August, I got a tank with 4 5cm clown loaches. 3 grew pretty fast, one stopped growing and was often hanging out alone. In November, the smallest one started to swim weird and hanging out alone; then he started having seizures which looked pretty scary and painful. We euthanized him. He didn’t look skeletal, but lost weight, gills looked ok. Not sure if this one is connected.
Some time later, my neon tetras started to waste away (thin, pale, not eating, apathetic, with very red inflamed gills). LFS owner suspected neon tetra disease, and I started treating entire large tank with Esha 2000 (Ethacridini lactase 6.3 mg, cuprous 2 + 3.2 mg, Methylorange 0.26, Proflavinae 1 mg). 2 neon tetras died, 1 that was in a very bad condition recovered, one never showed symptoms.
After some time, I purchased tiger barbs and two baby loaches and put them to quarantine for 4 weeks. No symptoms showed in both tanks, so after quarantine I put new fish to the large tank. Early in February I added gouramis after similar procedure.
Mid-February, I noticed that one of the barbs was not growing and spending time alone (all others grew HUGE). He was picked by others, so I assumed it was bullying. Around March 10th, I saw him hanging near the filter intake like neon tetras did and turning almost black. I noticed that one of the large loaches and one baby loach had reddish gills on one side (like red cheeks). I read forums recollected neon tetra deaths and on March 15th I started treating against gill flukes with Tremazid (peppermint oil). The barb died on March 18th, and I noticed baby loaches being lethargic. The one with fin defects became visibly thin, got darker, and stopped feeding. It died next day after the second dose of Tremazid (March 22nd). The other baby loach looks pretty bad as well, but he is still eating. I don’t like the looks of the large loach with reddened gill: he also started spending time alone and doesn’t look as plump as the other two.
I suspect worms or in the worst case fish TB. I live in Czechia and fish medication availability is not perfect. I couldn’t find anything containing praziquantel or levamisole for fish treatment on the market. Esha Hexamita is available (ethakridin laktát 6,7 mg, Cu2+ 2,8 mg, akriflavin chlorid 2 mg, methylrosanilin chlorid 6,3 µg), but it doesn’t 100% look like hexamita. I read success stories of people using dog wormer containing praziquantel in their tanks. A few medications like that are available in the shops, and I am ready to try, but I can’t figure how to dose it for the tank.
Looking at this story, I can see I didn't react fast enough, so if you have any recommendations about the red flags and how I can react - this will be very helpful.
Questions:
- Does it look like worms or is it something else entirely?
- Any experience with dog wormer for fish?
- What mistakes am I making?
- Anything. I am at a loss and I feel very bad about my poor scaly folks.
What is the water volume of the tank? - 350L
How long has the tank been running? - 5 months
Does it have a filter? - yes
Does it have a heater? - yes
What is the water temperature? - 25,5 C
What is the entire stocking of this tank?
- 4 clown loaches (3 medium, 1 small)
- 5 blue gouramis
- 7 green tiger barbs
- 7 corydoras
- 2 neon tetras
- A few ramshorn snails
How often do you change the water? - weekly/once every 2 weeks
How much of the water do you change? - 30% if weekly, 50% if biweekly
What do you use to treat your water? - Tetra AquaSafe
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? - vacuum during every water change
*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? - yes, ghost feeding method
What do you use to test the water? - Sera NO3, NO2, NH4/NH3 tests, Dajana pH test kit
What are your parameters? - I check regularly, they don’t change much since the tank finished cycling.
- Ammonia: NH4 0, NH3 0
- Nitrite: <0,5 mg/l
- Nitrate: 0 - 10 mg/l
- pH: 7-7,4
How often do you feed your fish? 2 x per day
How much do you feed your fish? Morning: 5g Hikari micro wafers + 2-3g Hirer sinking algae wafers; evening - 2g Hikari micro wafers
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Hikari, occasionally live tubifex (instead of dry food) and veggies
Do you feed frozen? Not any more
Do you feed freeze-dried foods? No
Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? - neon tetras, loaches - since August; barbs/small loaches since December
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? Neon tetras - December; barb - February, loaches - March
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? - fish becomes thin, looses interest in food, becomes apathetic, slightly uncoordinated, swim alone and hang near the filter intake, gills become red or stand out.
Have you started any treatment for the illness? - Esha 2000 for neon tetras, Tremazid for barbs and loaches, mixing food with crushed garlic for the past 2 days.
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? 1 of the baby loaches had malformed front fins.
Explain your emergency situation in detail.
In August, I got a tank with 4 5cm clown loaches. 3 grew pretty fast, one stopped growing and was often hanging out alone. In November, the smallest one started to swim weird and hanging out alone; then he started having seizures which looked pretty scary and painful. We euthanized him. He didn’t look skeletal, but lost weight, gills looked ok. Not sure if this one is connected.
Some time later, my neon tetras started to waste away (thin, pale, not eating, apathetic, with very red inflamed gills). LFS owner suspected neon tetra disease, and I started treating entire large tank with Esha 2000 (Ethacridini lactase 6.3 mg, cuprous 2 + 3.2 mg, Methylorange 0.26, Proflavinae 1 mg). 2 neon tetras died, 1 that was in a very bad condition recovered, one never showed symptoms.
After some time, I purchased tiger barbs and two baby loaches and put them to quarantine for 4 weeks. No symptoms showed in both tanks, so after quarantine I put new fish to the large tank. Early in February I added gouramis after similar procedure.
Mid-February, I noticed that one of the barbs was not growing and spending time alone (all others grew HUGE). He was picked by others, so I assumed it was bullying. Around March 10th, I saw him hanging near the filter intake like neon tetras did and turning almost black. I noticed that one of the large loaches and one baby loach had reddish gills on one side (like red cheeks). I read forums recollected neon tetra deaths and on March 15th I started treating against gill flukes with Tremazid (peppermint oil). The barb died on March 18th, and I noticed baby loaches being lethargic. The one with fin defects became visibly thin, got darker, and stopped feeding. It died next day after the second dose of Tremazid (March 22nd). The other baby loach looks pretty bad as well, but he is still eating. I don’t like the looks of the large loach with reddened gill: he also started spending time alone and doesn’t look as plump as the other two.
I suspect worms or in the worst case fish TB. I live in Czechia and fish medication availability is not perfect. I couldn’t find anything containing praziquantel or levamisole for fish treatment on the market. Esha Hexamita is available (ethakridin laktát 6,7 mg, Cu2+ 2,8 mg, akriflavin chlorid 2 mg, methylrosanilin chlorid 6,3 µg), but it doesn’t 100% look like hexamita. I read success stories of people using dog wormer containing praziquantel in their tanks. A few medications like that are available in the shops, and I am ready to try, but I can’t figure how to dose it for the tank.
Looking at this story, I can see I didn't react fast enough, so if you have any recommendations about the red flags and how I can react - this will be very helpful.