Cloudy water in well established tank after water change?

shrimpforever777

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Why is my water cloudy? It's not being cycled, it has been up and running for a year now, the fish act fine. It did this right after a waterchange. I was thinking its because I haven't replaced my carbon cartridges? Could it just be because they are on their last leg? Thanks!
 

CichlidJynx

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shrimpforever777 said:
Why is my water cloudy? It's not being cycled, it has been up and running for a year now, the fish act fine. It did this right after a waterchange. I was thinking its because I haven't replaced my carbon cartridges? Could it just be because they are on their last leg? Thanks!
Did you happen to kick up any substrate while doing your water change? Usually this happens to me if I pour my water in to quickly and it kicks up the substrate
 

mattgirl

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What kind of additives do you add to your water when doing your water changes? Since I started adding Equilibrium my water gets cloudy after each water change. Fortunately it clears up after a couple of hours.
 

Vinh

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If you stir thing up while doing water change , water might pick up the bacteria to fill up the lost in water in high demand that make water cloudy. That is normal when tank build up bacteria higher than normal . Test tank water after change to make sure every thing is in safe range.
 
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shrimpforever777

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I accidentally stirred the gravel, and I only use prime.
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
I accidentally stirred the gravel, and I only use prime.
That could do it. When you vacuum your gravel when you do your water changes you can prevent stirring it up by doing a section at a time. Instead of stirring push the tube into the gravel and lift the tube out of the gravel once the water runs fairly clear. Move an inch or so away and repeat.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
That could do it. When you vacuum your gravel when you do your water changes you can prevent stirring it up by doing a section at a time. Instead of stirring push the tube into the gravel and lift the tube out of the gravel once the water runs fairly clear. Move an inch or so away and repeat.
Yeah, I don't do ferts with my plants so I only gravel vac once a month but this time the bucket slipped and moved the gravel. The only thing that is confusing to me is that it hasn't cleared up yet and it has been a few days. I'll check it and order some cartridges tonight, hopefully with prime they'll be here by Sunday.
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
Yeah, I don't do ferts with my plants so I only gravel vac once a month but this time the bucket slipped and moved the gravel. The only thing that is confusing to me is that it hasn't cleared up yet and it has been a few days. I'll check it and order some cartridges tonight, hopefully with prime they'll be here by Sunday.
Have you tried running poly-fill in your filter to help polish the water. It works well at catching fine particles.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
Have you tried running poly-fill in your filter to help polish the water. It works well at catching fine particles.
No, I haven't. I have a big bag for sewwing, do I just put some in? P.S. I just tested the water PH 8.2, ammonia .25, nitrite 0, nitrate 10ish.
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
No, I haven't. I have a big bag for sewwing, do I just put some in? P.S. I just tested the water PH 8.2, ammonia .25, nitrite 0, nitrate 10ish.
Yep, just put some in your filter. Change it out as necessary. Since you aren't depending on it for bio-media you can change it often. Numbers look good :)

If you don't do so already try shaking your ammonia testing solution bottles and see if you come up with 0 ammonia. Lots of folks report never seeing zero. I always see zero. I am wondering if it is because I always shake the bottles before using. It is just a habit of mine. Anytime I use any liquid I shake it before using it so it just came naturally for me when I started using my test kit.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
Yep, just put some in your filter. Change it out as necessary. Since you aren't depending on it for bio-media you can change it often. Numbers look good :)

If you don't do so already try shaking your ammonia testing solution bottles and see if you come up with 0 ammonia. Lots of folks report never seeing zero. I always see zero. I am wondering if it is because I always shake the bottles before using. It is just a habit of mine. Anytime I use any liquid I shake it before using it so it just came naturally for me when I started using my test kit.
I'll definitely try that next time! Thanks!
 
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shrimpforever777

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Seems like the polyfil made it cloudier, I hope I did it right. ‍♀
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
Seems like the polyfil made it cloudier, I hope I did it right. ‍♀
If you put it in your filter and allowed the water to flow through it you did it right. Check your bag of poly-fill and make sure it doesn't have anything added to it such as fire retardant or some such thing.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
If you put it in your filter and allowed the water to flow through it you did it right. Check your bag of poly-fill and make sure it doesn't have anything added to it such as fire retardant or some such thing.
It's just the regular stuff, I put it behind the cartridges, after adding the polyfil last night and having 2 new cartridges in for about 2 hours it looks like this. A tiny bit better I think?
 

mattgirl

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Just keep changing it out as it gets dirty. Hopefully it will help clear things up after a few days.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
Just keep changing it out as it gets dirty. Hopefully it will help clear things up after a few days.
Do you think doing a small water change would help any?
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
Do you think doing a small water change would help any?
It might but I can't say for sure it will. If you aren't due for a water change you may just want to let it play out. It might be a bacterial bloom from stirring up the gravel. If that's the case it should clear up on its own.
 
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shrimpforever777

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Does this look any better? Hod to do a waterchange yesterday because of the death of two new fish (posted about that on here but only one person has responded and their comment really didn't help me figure it out) tood out the filter floss last night and added 2 more cartridges (a total of 4) just added more floss.
 
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shrimpforever777

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The last 2 pics were close up and I also did the white container test.
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
Does this look any better? Hod to do a waterchange yesterday because of the death of two new fish (posted about that on here but only one person has responded and their comment really didn't help me figure it out) tood out the filter floss last night and added 2 more cartridges (a total of 4) just added more floss.
I am sorry to hear that you lost some fish. Did you start another thread about them? I know very little about fish diseases so I don't always check out threads about sick fish.

I am still leaning toward a bacterial bloom. I don't know why you have one since this tank has been cycled for quite a while but that sure looks like one to me. If that is the case it may take quite a while for it to clear up. I know my tank looked just like this for at least a month while cycling it.

the fact that it started after you disturbed the substrate more than usual leads me to believe it released something into the water and the cycle is working on clearing it up. Now that you have 4 cartridges in there along with the poly-fill I have to think you have enough media. Just leave it alone unless it gets too much waste built up on it and even then just clean one cartridge at a time.

Sadly losing new fish happens way too often. We can do everything just right and still lose them. I have to think when that happens it is because the poor little guys had just been through too much stress getting from breeder to us.
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
I am sorry to hear that you lost some fish. Did you start another thread about them? I know very little about fish diseases so I don't always check out threads about sick fish.

I am still leaning toward a bacterial bloom. I don't know why you have one since this tank has been cycled for quite a while but that sure looks like one to me. If that is the case it may take quite a while for it to clear up. I know my tank looked just like this for at least a month while cycling it.

the fact that it started after you disturbed the substrate more than usual leads me to believe it released something into the water and the cycle is working on clearing it up. Now that you have 4 cartridges in there along with the poly-fill I have to think you have enough media. Just leave it alone unless it gets too much waste built up on it and even then just clean one cartridge at a time.

Sadly losing new fish happens way too often. We can do everything just right and still lose them. I have to think when that happens it is because the poor little guys had just been through too much stress getting from breeder to us.
Yeah I started a new thread. The only person who commented said that I threw all of my media away and that the ammonia was too high (I gave them the same params that I gave you) it didn't make sense to me since I only replaced the carbon (my filter has bio wheels) and most of the bacteria lives in the substrate any way right? I honestly think it might be the store, it wasn't the best experience. The store was super hot because of how cold it was which I understand but I had to wait at least 30min to get someone to get us fish and when he finally came he was the saltwater guy. They also don't have any kind if warranty on their animals, all of the other stores that I have been to have some sort of warranty. I don't know, it really stunk because I REAALY wanted that bumblebee goby and had never seen them in another store. Oh well!
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
Yeah I started a new thread. The only person who commented said that I threw all of my media away and that the ammonia was too high (I gave them the same params that I gave you) it didn't make sense to me since I only replaced the carbon (my filter has bio wheels) and most of the bacteria lives in the substrate any way right?
Bacteria does live on everything in our tanks but the stongest colonies of it live where the most moving water is. That would be on the filter media. It grows stronger there because the filter is pulling the water with food (ammonia) through it. I would think your bio-wheels would have a strong colony as long as they continually turn.

I honestly think it might be the store, it wasn't the best experience. The store was super hot because of how cold it was which I understand but I had to wait at least 30min to get someone to get us fish and when he finally came he was the saltwater guy. They also don't have any kind if warranty on their animals, all of the other stores that I have been to have some sort of warranty. I don't know, it really stunk because I REAALY wanted that bumblebee goby and had never seen them in another store. Oh well!
I am sorry that you lost your prized fish. Can you get another one and try again?
 
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shrimpforever777

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mattgirl said:
Bacteria does live on everything in our tanks but the stongest colonies of it live where the most moving water is. That would be on the filter media. It grows stronger there because the filter is pulling the water with food (ammonia) through it. I would think your bio-wheels would have a strong colony as long as they continually turn.


I am sorry that you lost your prized fish. Can you get another one and try again?
I'm going to try to, hopefully from a different store but it is slI'm pickings around here lol. Do you think it was the bloom that killed it?
 

mattgirl

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shrimpforever777 said:
I'm going to try to, hopefully from a different store but it is slI'm pickings around here lol. Do you think it was the bloom that killed it?
I can't imagine that doing it.
 

Debbie1986

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My tank is no where near your size. But when my tank goes cloudy, it usually clears up in about 2 days.
 

Jack B Nimble

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Looks like bacterial bloom to me too. Pretty common in a newly cycling tank though. Thought I'd add a great way to clear water is I use kitty litter look for pure montmorilite clay with no scents and non clumping. A little bit in a coffee grinder and make into powder also known as a koI clay so fish love it. I add to water pre mixed into a cup of tank water. The tank will be crystal clear in few hours to the next day but it won't help a bacterial bloom as much. You may have some dusting off plants use a Turkey baster.
 

MikeRad89

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This happens to me because I have a lot of gasses in my tap water that lower the pH. Once it gasses off it sits around 7.2 which is fine for BB to survive- prior to that its a low 6. If the water change is big enough you're throwing the pH off and causing a minI cycle which is why you're seeing a bacterial bloom. You can either let buckets of tap water to come up to their true pH overnight by gassing off until you do your change, or you can just add a baking soda/water mixture and pour it in gradually while it's filling with the python.
 
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shrimpforever777

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I don't have any PH issues, it is always a steady 8.2 and my tank has been cycled for about a year now so it isn't new. The water change I did was about 50% Which is what I normally do when I forget to change it for a week or 2.

Water has cleared up a bit after changing some one Sunday, it's still cloudy but a tiny bit better. Picking up some fluval cycle this weekend, I know some are against it but I have used it a lot in the past and it did great!
 

NathJK

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Looks like bacterial bloom to me. Easy to fix. Just wait. Everything will balance out and it will go away. Happened to me a few months ago. It doesn't bother the fish, just looks bad.
 

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