can they escape?

tan.b

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my tank has the corners cut for piping/wires etc etc. I don't think any of my other fish would try and escape as its above water level (obviously or i'd have a big puddle!!) . however as the bristlenose scales the sides of the tank, is there a chance he could go above water level and fall out? if they don't ever go above water level (even for a second) then that's great. if there's any chance at all or escape then I'll look at putting some sponge in the gap or something?!

thanks
Tan
 

Butterfly

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You just never know what plecs are going to do. One of my avorite plecs was found on the carpet early one morning but he was already crispy. My son kept finding his bristlenose in the filter slurping up the goodies in there mine never do that so you just never know. Better be safe than sorry.
Carol
 
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tan.b

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thanks carol! I'll get some bath sponge wedged in the gaps then! will that be ok do you think? any other ideas? card would get wet and soggy when I slosh water about when doing water changes and catching leaves and condensation etc etc! he seems to like sitting on the heater wire, so should he follow it high enough he'll find his escape if the lack of water isn't enough to deter him! - and he is so tiny! - he doesn't go near the filter at the other end of the tank (not yet anyway), he darent leave his cucumber unattended long enough to go and find the filter!! - which leads me to another question....they can't over-eat cucumber can they? i'm always aware of not overfeeding the other fish with flakes - they are rationed(!) to 2-3 mins worth of food twice a day, but the cucumber is there all day for him to graze on, and the other fish all seem to be enjoying it too (guppies and danios)! there's a slice the others go at and another slice the plec hogs - I hope it won't do the others any harm? I didnt think the others would eat cucumber!! I spotted a danio having a go at his algae wafer yesterday too! they'll eat anything!!- i'm rambling once again!
 

Butterfly

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I don't think the plec will overeat. I wouldn't leave the cucumber in over 24 hrs or it might pollute the tank. Yes the other fish seem to enjoy just about whatever hits the tank.
Carol
 

jj

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clear contact over the whole works ok. You can place two pieces together so no sticky stuff gets wet and just leave enough around edges to stick to outside of tank.
 
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tan.b

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yeah, i've just spent about half an hour taping up the gaps! so there's no access for mr.bristlenose to get to the outside world. however the top of my tank has like a shelf with sliding glass doors, and he could get to that bit if he tried really hard, so still undecided with that bit as that's always wet. Mmmmm. ??? if he got to that bit, i'd hope he'd soon fall back into the tank.
 
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tan.b

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carol....I realised yesterday how much cucumber deteriorates in the tank! lovely mushy mess!!!!!! in fact, that's what's probably sent my ammonia and nitries up! he'll be rationed now to one piece for a few hours! the pet shop had loads of bits in where they'd chewed through it forming tunnels! (more fish I guess chewing at it!) how come they don't have the ammonia probs? plus they have loads of fish in a small tank!! he doesn't eat very much, but I guess as he's small that's why! I put in an algae wafer and he didnt entertain the idea at all! are they usually quite reserved with their eating? i'm used to my danios and guppies which are always scavenging for food and go loopy at feeding time as if they've never seen food before!!! my bn, loach and tetras I haven't seen eat yet! the tank is new, so there's no natural algae in there for him either.
 

Butterfly

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The fish store is ptobably on a central system which means they most likely have hundreds of gallons of water circulating through their tanks.
With an enclosed tank the ammonia etc accumulates more rapidly. I leave my zucchinI in over night but I have several piggy bristlenose in each tank.Try dropping the piece in at lights out and then check in a couple of hours or the next morning.
Carol
 
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tan.b

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so you can keep more than one bristlenose in the tank?! that sounds good (when i've sorted out my ammonia problem!). is that just good luck that they don't fight or are all bristlenoses peaceful with with each other? I haven't found any info on keeping more than one! my other fish are all schooling fish, so are in groups, but as BN's don't school I was at a loss as to whether they'd still like a friend or not!! ??? :-\

will try the hour or so on a night option. darent leave in overnight just yet until I have my ammonia back under control!! (dont know how much dif it would make, but can't risk it just now!!)

thanks for your help carol
Tan
 

Butterfly

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The size of your tank makes a lot of difference in how many bristlenose you can have. They will scuffle a little for possesion of certain caves and hiding places but that's about all. You could put two in the 170L and have a good cleaning crew,just remember they get from 5 to 6 inches so you don't overstock. They too are big waste producers.
Carol
 
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tan.b

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very tempting! my bn at the mo only lives in half the tank anyway.....not cos its partitioned or anything, he just doesn't stray far from the right hand side of the tank. he tends to spend his time either hiding behind the heater (really hope he realises when he grows that it isn't a good idea and he doesn't get stuck and cooked) or on his log. so there's half a tank spare which he doesn't use!!! knowing my luck they'd both want the same half!!!!!!!!!!! lol!! another log in the other half may do the trick?! once ammonia sorted, might move some guppies across to small tank and put another bn in the big tank!!! decisions decisions!!! my hubby was offered a couple of tanks today.........very tempted!!! the curse of mts..........!! not sure where i'd put them mind and i'm spending over an hour a day as it is with two 50% water changes for both tanks! 2 more tanks would be nearly a job in itself!! ...so, if I go for 2 bn's in there, does it matter if I have 2 girls, 2 boys or 1 of each? (do they get aggressive when breeding? is it likely/unlikely they'd breed anyway?) also how old are they when you can distinguish what sex they are as I don't even know what mine is yet. do I have to wait til he's fully grown to find out? is it just the bristles that give it away as to what they are? my bns nose is completely smooth still. he's about an inch long so still a baby! - sorry about refering to him as a he. I don't mean to confuse, it's just we all (including the kids) call him "mr.bristlenose" and the name and gender have kinda stuck!! - if he turns out to be girl it will be very odd to change our ways as we all used to refering to him as he!!!! same with the loach...he's called "mr.loach" and then there's "mr.rainbow fish". the big fish are instantly named mr...... I have no idea how that came about?!!!!

thanks for your help carol. sorry about all the questions. he's my favourite fish though and the most curious as he hides so much!!
Tan
 

Butterfly

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Questions are no problem. I love talking about fish. Usually at about 2 to 2-1/2 inches you can tell gender. Males will have bristles all over their face.Some females will have them around the lip area and some won't have them at all. Two in that size tank shouldn't be a problem at all and if you should get a pair then they may breed. They aren't aggressive that I've seen just some mild chases when one of the other comes near the "chosen" cave or hidey hole . it really doesn't matter if you have one of each or two of each. I've got three different kinds of Bristlenose and they just amaze me how well they get along but they do have multiple caves, plants and rocks to hide and breed in. I think that's the key right there.
I really don't think they care what the kids call "him' just as long as the food and water changes keep coming
If I didn't answer all your questions then give me a nudge
Carol
 
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tan.b

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Carol, you're a star! thanks lots! I really do appreciate it. ;D mr bristlenose is doing well and i'm def gonna get him a friend (once the ammonia is sorted ....still having probs with that, but that's another story!). I'll get some more caves etc when I get the new bristlenose. in fact, I don't even have a cave in the big tank, just one in small tank which none of the fish in there even use!! (gratitude for you! lol!) i've seen the loach go in it once and he turned round and came straight back out! so that cave might get more use in the big tank! there's plants and the log which bn goes under and behind etc. one prob he does seem to have is slight constipation (he has the long string attached to him, but he's still very active, so it doesn't seem to be bothering him). am I missing anything in his diet? he has half an algae wafer every other day and cucumber for a few hours on a night and his log to rasp at. I'm afraid as an algae cleaner he is rather redundant still at that, as there isn't any yet!! i'm sure in summer there'll be plenty as the tank is in a south facing room and gets a lot of sun and the hours of daylight will be much longer too. I did try giving him squished peas the other day, but the greedy danios and some of the others got to them first!!! I don't think bn got any at all! my fish are so fast and greedy!! ;D
 

Butterfly

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He sounds fine, Their digestive track is so short that food tends to go straight through(thus the string )
Carol
 
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tan.b

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thanks. that's good to know. he seems happy enough which is always a good sign!!!
 

susitna-flower

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Tan, I just found this thread today, and wanted to tell you of my experience with a Gold Nugget Pleco, you are talking about them escaping, well I didn't realize they get really active at night, they jump and splash about. There was a very narrow gap in my tank where the filter & heater are. One day shortly after I got him home I noticed him missing. After several hours I went into the kitchen to empty the dishwasher, the door was open (I had already looked all about), but when I took out the basket of silverware, there he was, stuck in with the forks, dry and crispy. I was totally shocked, and dismayed, as he was one of my favorites. Learned my lesson though and my tank is completely covered now!

Fish in the Frozen North 8)
 
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tan.b

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susitna-flower - OMG, that must have been a shock!! that must've been quite a leap for him! well I don't think mine can get out. so far so good. the bigger he gets the more unlikely it is. while hes small he could go anywhere!! measured him the other day and he was 3cm. he's not growing very fast, which is fine as he's cute!!!! tan
 

susitna-flower

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It really wasn't such a huge leap. You see my 55 gal tank is IN the wall between the livingroom and kitchen. When I am in the kitchen facing the outer wall my sink is directly in front of me, the dishwasher to my left beside the sink, and the fish tank just to the left of that in the wall. Like I said the dishwasher door was open when he took the leap, and it was all over, he was upside down in the forks! It was such a shame, because he was healthy and really about the neatest fish I have ever had. I tried since to get another one, and the LFS has a hard time getting healthy ones in. They have had several that they quarantine for a week before they will sell them and they always die! It is something about them getting too cold during shipment.

I stopped in to the LFS today, and WHAT A SHAME!!! > You would never believe what happened to them! They usually get their fish in FEDEX on Wednesdays. Well when I walked in there were bags of fish setting in the tanks, I asked the lady in charge what was up, she said the whole shipment for the week was messed up, and set in a warehouse in Seattle for 4 days! What was packed Monday and should have been here Wed., took until today.. :'( Lots of death. Very few made it through alive. I was going to pick up a couple more otos, and she was quite up front with me and suggested I wait to see what would make it.

It is SO nice to have a good reputable fish store to go to!
 
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tan.b

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OMG! I bet the courier is big trouble and paying for it!! how can they not notice a shipment of live fish sitting in the warehouse?! poor things. surprising any survived at all. the heat packs don't last long do they. you are lucky having a good lfs. they're hard to find!! most are all about profit, and/or are chain stores that just don't know anything about animals of any kind! good luck with your oto hunt! if any survive that long trip via seattle, then you know they are certainly fairly tough and indestructible! survival of the fittest and all that!
 

susitna-flower

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  Tan, I felt so sorry for the fish lady,  she was very distraught.  Usually they close on Wednesdays the day their fish come in, but as it drug out so long, they had people in the room, and she just couldn't help but let us know how upset she was.    This woman has a private business besides working as the head of this fish department, of maintaining many large tanks in the Wasilla area.  I do business with an insurance company that has a 200 gal tank that she does, so you know she loves fish and this hurt!   I was only using the otos as an excuse to go into the store.   I really wanted to look at that 125 gal tank again, I was wrong about the price, it was $523.00 for the tank!  BUT it also had a stand under it and they wouldn't sell them separately, it was $850. for both together!   That didn't include ANYTHING else!    This is why I want to build my own. 

Fish in the Frozen North.   -5F this morning.
The IDIDAROD SLED DOG race starts today.   Check it out at KTUU our "local" news.  They will have video clips and such as the week goes on.   
 
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tan.b

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i'd be upset if a large shipment of fish perished. I get upset and frustrated when one dies!

not surprised you want to build your own!! I think the conversion from $ to £ is about half - that's a lot of money!!!

sled dog racing sounds fun. will look at web later. getting tired.

spent all evening rearranging tanks! what a nightmare!! given up on leaky tank, no matter how much sealant I use, the leak seems to be getting worse. anyway, luckily my husband knew of 2 tanks for sale (28 gal) at a good price, and very local, so he got them (one today, other tomorrow as she needs to get her fish out of there first!!). so spent all evening moving the gravel, plants, filter, heater and water across to new tank. moved fish from large tank to small tank while doing this as the big tank got so foggy couldnt see the fish and didnt want to hurt them or lose them. then moved them from small tank to new tank. I know it'll stress the fish no end, but it was the only way we could think of. its the same water at the same temp, so hopefully should be ok. :-\. also new tank is much more secure for my bristlenose . its fairly murky still, but should clear soon. the big tank was nearly cycled, so I really hope this doesn't set it back hugely?! I feel like i've been cycling forever!! this morn had no ammonia, low nitrite and high nitrate. I was very excited! next problem is how to move the old tank out of the room with its stand, and how to put the new tank on the new stand that's coming tomorrow and I need to move the remaining gravel and water and plants from the old tank into the tank arriving tomorrow too and get some fish in it before the bacteria in the gravel and filter die and I end up cycling again!! anyway, i'm rambling. i'm tired, so off to sleep!!
 

susitna-flower

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Sounds like your husband is a sweetheart! Two new tanks! Sorry your other one gave up. Are you going to try to fix it? :'( I am going to start looking in the paper for a new (used) one, maybe I'll be lucky!

Fish in the Frozen North. 8)
 
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tan.b

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susitna-flower said:
  Sounds like your husband is a sweetheart!  Two new tanks!  Sorry your other one gave up.  Are you going to try to fix it? :'(  I am going to start looking in the paper for a new (used) one, maybe I'll be lucky!

Fish in the Frozen North.  8)
he is!!
shame they're smaller than the other, so don't think I can have 2 pleco's in the same tank and think I might have to split the guppies up as I think the tank may be overstocked. did some calculations last night and it seems borderline :-\ you see, if I allow 2 inches for the danios and guppies i'm over stocked, but I think they're fully grown and they're just over an inch, in which case i'm slightly understocked? :-\ as they're all happy togther I might just see how it goes. if they do get bigger I'll move them into a dif tank, or if ammonia goes up and stays up I'll move them. what do you think?

yeah, the optimist I am....once old tank is empty and dry will have a go at fixing it, and try it full of water (no fish) and see how it goes. its just difficult with fish in to see what's going on under it!! once its off the stand and turned upside down it'll be much easier!!!

good luck with your quest for a tank. ebay is useful for tanks if there's one nearby for sale you can collect. that's where I got the big tank from (which I broke and leaks!) its pot luck really. often when i've looked there's none near me!! sometimes there's some complete with fish, so there's no cycling to do either! not seen one near me though! that'd be perfect for an impatient person like me!!! ;D

sunny today, but 5C...not anywhere near as cold as you , but still cold for me!!!!!
 

susitna-flower

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I am the last person really to advise on overstocking. Hopefully it won't take long to get them both cycled, then just keep an eye on the nitrates, and change water :'( as needed, if you think they are a bit overcrowded. Didn't you say the corner of the bottom of your tank cracked? That may never be strong enough to hold up the weight of water even with a fix. But cleaning all the patch off, then fixing it from the INSIDE would have the weight of water pushing it into the crack, instead of out of it......Make any since?

As for e-bay....once again my computer virgin status shows, I have never even opened up to e-bay. I have doubts that many people in Alaska would advertise something like that but you would never know.....I guess it is time to take the leap, maybe my son could help me ;D

Fish in the Frozen North. 0 F and High Wind!
 
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tan.b

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they should cycle rapidly as i've used the same gravel, filter, 50% of the water (for luck really!!) and the plants and decors. just hope the gravel wasn't disturbed too much and removed any of the bacteria.

yeah, that's what i'm hoping with the crack! its in the corner, but not sure if it will fall through when taken off stand, or if it lifts out if that makes sense?! need to empty it and take a closer look.

to be honest I don't have an account with ebay. my husband does, so I browse and point at things I want, then he takes care of it! you need a paypal account too, which I also don't have!! it all looked like a bit of faf to me, but my husband is into computers, so he does things that look a bit tricky!! my mum buys things from ebay and she's even worse with computers than me!! i'm sure I could do it if I sat down for a while and read through it all, but I just don't need to while my husband is happy to faf about with it!!! just got to watch out for the conmen on ebay, but with things like tanks, it would be probably cash on collection. I don't buy any high value things that are posted cos I don't trust that they'll be sent! never had any problems yet though. my husband got ripped off when he sold something on ebay though. they sent an email saying theyd received it, then a few days later they disputed it through paypal and said they'd not received it, so paypal sent the money back to him, leaving my husband out of pocket!! my husband tried tackling it through ebay but the customer had closed their account and he couldnt be traced. : so I wouldnt sell anything high value either in case it goes wrong! that's just our bad luck though!
 

Butterfly

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Try aquabid for your aquarium stuff. I just drool all over myself every time I go to their site.
Carol
 

susitna-flower

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Thanks Butterfly, for that link. It was fun, though I doubt I could ever buy an aquarium on that site, most said pick up only..... But I had fun in the fish. Just looking :'(

I went to town today and stopped into my LFS again, the one that had such a disaster last week, in talking to the lady she said since the weather is so bad in the lower 48 she is going to put in orders for only the hardiest fish in small numbers for awhile. I thought this was a wise way for her to go. She does have to try keeping her customers happy, it is a hard balancing act I am sure, since this is the ONLY fish store serving 70,000 + people. The next store is another 50 miles south in Anchorage.

Fish in the Frozen North
 
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tan.b

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it must be a hard balancing act. not one i'd like to be responsible for!!

thanks butterfly for the link!! more stuff to drool over!! ;D i've got 3 tanks in 2 months as it is!!! and another pending repair with any luck in the garage!! . spent more money today in the lfs!! I only went in for a filter!! got to go back tomorrow for some fish for the tank which has the new filter in. I just hope the bacteria are still alive in there? :-\. put heater in last night to check it works and it does. the filter didnt (found out at 11pm, so all shops shut!!) so got one this morning which is clearing the water nicely, then tomorrow morning once water clear will put some danios in. will this work? the gravel went in from the old tank on sat night along with the plants. then more gravel straight from an established tank went in yesterday along with some decor (also from estab. tank). used water from estab tank too (I know it doesn't make any dif, but just in case!!). can't wait to see what the readings are as seen some fab fish today at the shop that I want to get!!!....patience again eh!!!!
 

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