Butterfly or Hill Stream Loach

guppy07
  • #1
Anyone want to fill me in on this great looking fish! (Butterfly loach)

mininum tank size and water conditions are biggies?

I know they are pretty pieceful and get along with most other fish. Seems like they need a lot of oxygen. Anyway that is about all.

I have a 10 gallon and am looking for a cool sucker type fish that will fit. 3" seems like it would fit but need to know more about him first! Thanks!
 
armadillo
  • #2
HI Mike

Here's some similar threads. Plus am sure Carol will fill you in. She's our house loachey fan.





All I can tell you is that:
1/ Many fish are referred to as hillstream loaches
2/ Some of which require less-than-tropical temperatures
3/ They all require quite a bit of current and pristine water
 
Butterfly
  • #3
Plus am sure Carol will fill you in. She's our house loachey fan.

You know me absolutely too well LOL

There are several types of hillstream Loaches but they all need cooler water 65-72F and lots of current and oxygenation. Usually the Hillstream referred to as Butterfly Hillstreams are Beaufortia kweichowensis. Here is a profile on that particular Hillstream Loach Butterfly Hillstream Loach (Beaufortia kweichowensis) — Loaches Online
Heres some more info.
Hillstream Loaches - The Specialists at Life In The Fast Lane — Loaches Online
There is a loach book coming out this month. It was written by six Loach experts at Loaches on line

Here are some of my Hillstreams.
Carol
 
armadillo
  • #4
ROFL, I knew it couldn't take long.

And see how I'd listened to you when you were answering my questions on the hillstream? I want a bonus point for being a good student.

OK, OK, I did get wrong that 'all' require less than tropical temps, instead of 'some'.

HI Mike


All I can tell you is that:
1/ Many fish are referred to as hillstream loaches
2/ Some of which require less-than-tropical temperatures
3/ They all require quite a bit of current and pristine water
 
Butterfly
  • #5
You were an excellent student! You know I can't resist talking about loaches Hope found the links helpful.
Carol
 
guppy07
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
This has been very helpful. Sounds like they are not going to work out which is unfortunate. I really liked them. You guys have any idea of a cool looking sucker type fish for a 10g. If you give me the name I am sure I can find something about them on here or online. Thanks guys. It is always good to be informed so we can have happy fishies
 
armadillo
  • #7
I really like the queen arabesque, and if am not mistaken, the max size is not too big. Do check, though, as I've never seen an adult.
 
Butterfly
  • #8
The Queen Arebesque (L260) is stunning. They get about four inches. The six I had didn't make it, they were all 1/2-3/4 inches. They were just too small to be competing for food even if it was just with guppys.
You can guage the size by looking at the gravel. that is normal pea gravel.
Carol
 
armadillo
  • #9
Oh that's awful. Really? They died of hunger? I always tell myself not to be paranoid when I worry about my mollies' tankmates. I guess I was wrong. I wonder if that's what got to my BN. Mind you, my BN never really ate the algae, so that can't be it.

Oh, talking of cool suckermouths. How about an albino BN, or a fancy-finned one? I've seen lyretail BNs.
 
Butterfly
  • #10
Oh that's awful. Really? They died of hunger? I always tell myself not to be paranoid when I worry about my mollies' tankmates. I guess I was wrong. I wonder if that's what got to my BN. Mind you, my BN never really ate the algae, so that can't be it.

Oh, talking of cool suckermouths. How about an albino BN, or a fancy-finned one? I've seen lyretail BNs.
They were in a twenty gallon and I assumed the rocks would have enough goodies on them (their not great algae eaters) and I fed extra food but I think They would have done better in a ten gallon bare bottom, large water changes and intensive feeding. I feel they were let go too early. but you know how hind site is , sigh.
I know this is off topic but you asked for it This was one of my fry.
 
armadillo
  • #11
Well it's totally on the topic of cool suckermouths!

Wow, you got BN fry. Cute. Why isn't it in the fry gallery, young lady? Chop chop.
 
Butterfly
  • #12
Well it's totally on the topic of cool suckermouths!

Wow, you got BN fry. Cute. Why isn't it in the fry gallery, young lady? Chop chop.
That's not a recent fry and there is a thread around somewhere that shows the eggs as well as tehe fry.
carol
 
guppy07
  • Thread Starter
  • #13
Thanks for mentioning Queen Arebesque armadillo I think the fish looks really neat!

Carol I am quickly learning you knowledge on Loaches is unmatched!

So I guess I am wondering if you think the Queen Arebesque would be good in my 10g. Sounds like that require some special care. I guess what is some good advice you would give if someone were to put some of these guys in a tank.

Thanks again and keep the cool suckermouths coming!

Cheers
 
voiceless_kat
  • #14
You know me absolutely too well LOL

There are several types of hillstream Loaches but they all need cooler water 65-72F and lots of current and oxygenation. Usually the Hillstream referred to as Butterfly Hillstreams are Beaufortia kweichowensis. Here are some of my Hillstreams.
Carol


HI Carol...I enjoyed these pics of your BF loaches. I wanted 3 of these guys, then the lady at the lfs told me they didn't like a heated tank. I think she said they also liked acidic water. I had neither, so I bought 5 otos and thought I would try one of these fellas all for my community tank. (55g)

Every morning at head count I thought I would find him dead, but a month later, he is still scooting around like a crazy , happy fish. My water is very hard and alkaline, temp is 78'f and I have both a bubble wand that kinda meanders at an angle between some rocks ( I buried it) and a limestone airstone that I have against the back wall by the filter. So against all odds, he is thriving. He hangs out on the glass and doesn't hide during the day. I never get to see him on the veggies ( which are always in the tank); driftwood or rocks, so he must do that at lights out.
I adore this guy, his name is "Flatfish", I think they look like stingrays. My photos of him always seem to be of his tummy! Since he is doing well after a month I am going to get at least one more.( Or would 2more be better, and what is their bio load??)

I am glad I saw this post, I believe CWC told me you ( Butterfly) were a loach expert.....so now I know where to go it I have any questions or just want to gloat about Flatfish, since there really aren't that many posts about them.

I have really been very lucky and would definetly recommend them ! Val
 
armadillo
  • #15
No problem, Guppy. Carol, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the QA is particularly sensitive, is it? I mean, haven't you just had a string of bad luck with them?

Another really cool pleco that doesn't grow too big (again, to be checked, this is out of memory) is the zebra pleco. It's really beautiful, but ridiculously expensive, so that's probably not an option. But, you know, it's good to know of this fab fish.

There's really a lot of really cool plecos that don't grow too big. Our LFS stocks a lot of really cool ones, so we don't really plan ahead. We just see what they have then do our research.

If you'd like to receive a lot more suggestions, maybe you could start a new thread with the title: 'looking for suggestions for cool suckermouths' or something in the pleco section. I am sure you'd get lots of responses.
 
Butterfly
  • #16
Queen Arebesque(L260) is a stunning little plec, gets from 3-1/2 to 4 inches and as far as I know not a terrible sensitive fish. Mine were just too small when they were sold and did not compete well for food. Heres a whole page of pics for your viewing pleasure
Hypancistrus sp. (L260) • Loricariidae • Cat-eLog - planet catfish
Right now I have some of these(thanks santa ) Hypancistrus sp. (L333) • Loricariidae • Cat-eLog - planet catfish
They are L333 and being touted as the new Queen Arebesque but there is a definite difference in color. They also get bigger (almost 6 inches I think)
And to change the subject- YES!! I love my loaches. I think Loaches and plecs are my favorite fish.
Although Zebra Plecs are gorgeous they do not eat Algae
Val- I really enjoyed my Hillstream Loaches they started out in a 20 gallon long unheated tank with lots of rocks and plants. They don't eat algae but they do eat the little critters that grow in algae. I think their called Aufwachs. They will also squabble over shrimp pellets and veggie rounds. There were seven in that tank with white clouds as dither fish. White clouds do well in cooler tanks and the Hillstreams come out more with something swimming on the surface. Then we were in a store and they had nine in a tank with a Betta and the water was 80F, they were on the verge of expiring. but the wanted almost $7 apiece and I couldn't afford that so my sweet husband convinced the guy that owned the store they would be dead by the next morning with water at that temp and the man sold them to us very cheaply. Sooo that's how I wound up with 16 in a 55G tank LOL they would swim from rock to rock and they did look like little space ships
Want to share one last Hillstream pic with you. He was one of teh rescues and was white and never turned back to the yellowish/cream color of teh others.
Carol
 
hop2jr
  • #17
I have one he seems to be doing good at 76 moving around eating and sucking glass going to put him and 2 more in a 29gal plantaquarium 50/50 tank not going to heat it and building a floing rock bed in it for them. do they like sand?
 

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