Building an ecosystem!!

Discussion in 'DIY - Do It Yourself' started by binskiboi, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. b

    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    I have plans (within 2 weeks) of starting and finishing a 70 gallon tall terrarium ecosystem. It will include 20 gallons of swimming space for neon tetras and some swordtails.
    The top 50-60 gallons (HIGH) will have many branches and such going up for green tree frogs and green anoles.

    DEBATING on finches on the top canopy however I need to figure out a system for their waste. (CURRENTLY thinking having mesh with small holes giving the finches a 10gallon area which is plenty for 2-3 finches.)

    (I have been saving up for this for awhile now and currently have 300$ towards it and have been working my job alot the past 2 weeks and will be recieving a nice paycheck for a teenager!) I am planning on making a DIY thread here to keep everyone updated if anyone is interested.



    (This 70 gallons may be unrealistic, like I said I am still researching it... however that would leave 20gallons for the water/terrain area for the fish and fire bellied toads... 40 gallons for the anole lizards (green anoles) and tree frogs... and 10 gallons for the finches.)

    Any tips/advice welcome! O0
     
  2. platy ben

    platy ben Well Known Member Member

    I'm gonna have to agree with your comment of it being unrealistic. The finches just won't work. They're not going to want to sit above your tank all day, they will most likely be flying around the room all of the time and spend next to no time near your tank.
    EDIT: I just read, a 10 Gallon area? for birds? Kind of cruel in my eyes :(

    What happens if a lizard falls in the water and decides it wants fish to eat?

    Your lizards also aren't going to stay in the tank, they will probably climb out and run around your room, then they could even die from being cold. The only way you could stop this is by putting a lid on the tank. Then you have finches trapped under a hot light.

    Good luck with it and I hope it works, but to me, it just won't :(
     
  3. Elodea

    Elodea Well Known Member Member

    I would agree that the finches will be unrealistic. I doubt the lizards will eat the fish if the fish can help it. Here is a site that has the process of building and stocking one:  
     




  4. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    Let me address your concerns...

    First off the finches will be in a cage... you NEVER let finches out of cages lol. They aren't meant to be tamed so it would be the same as them inside a cage sitting next to my chair like other families have it, just up higher which birds prefer.

    Second green anoles don't would never eat fish. (even if they did eat fish they would be too small to eat something like a swordtail!)

    I think what you don't realize is they will be in a tank... it's not like they are going to be free floating lol! Haven't you seen a lizard or bird in a cage/tank? Same thing.


    If you would like an example...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u31Zm1qr7PQ


    Except I don't really like the overall product of this example it shows my means. Search youtube for more examples if you'd like. When I said unrealistic I meant I may have to go bigger in size not the actual thought.




    Ty for the site Ulodea!
     
  5. platy ben

    platy ben Well Known Member Member

    So how big of a cage do you intend on keeping the finches in?
     
  6. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    An approp. sized cage which is not big at all. I currently own a parrot, parakeet, and have owned finches. Basically it wouldjust be the finches caged blended in with the rest just for the added affect of a rainforest canopy. I would use tightly holed mesh to collect the droppings before entering the other sections.

    The frogs, lizards, and fish would be kept in the big vertical tank together. With plenty of things to climb on for the frogs and lizards. I would not get any fish that could be eaten. The only thing that could possibly try and eat a fish is a frog. However I'll end up getting something like swordtails which them being eaten, isn't very plausible being 5"+
     
  7. platy ben

    platy ben Well Known Member Member

    Well form the video I understand the fish and reptile/amphibian section.
    But I would keep finches in a small avairy? I used to keep a pair of java sparrows and they had a big avairy to themselves?
    It sounds like it could work the more you explain, but I just don't get the bird bit too well.
     
  8. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    the bird bit is still a work in progress.


    in detail:

    A finch cage with the same width and depth as the rest of the amph/fish section
    Mesh wire for flooring on the bottom of the cage
    (mesh is used instead of paper so that you can see through it and gives it more of an effect of being part of the whole thing.)

    Basically mesh acts as paper...its just see through.


    The cage would sit attached to the top of the glass amph/fish section.
     
  9. TedsTank

    TedsTank Well Known Member Member

    Do you understand the maintenance involved in this. You will be making a micro system...includung temps, airflow...planting, feeding etc. Sounds really cool but it won't be self sustainable and it seems you are mixing animals from different habitats.

    Anyway you have the dedication to do it!!!!
     
  10. platy ben

    platy ben Well Known Member Member

    I guess I understand it now :)
    Just a thought ;) Mabe you could make the mesh so you can simply slide it in and out from between the cage and tank, it would make it much easier to clean :)
     
  11. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    Please don't over think it too much.
    It's a fish tank (which I already have 5 of)
    a fish tank with lizards and frogs

    all the frogs and lizards require is a UV light and humidity ( I own a bearded dragon and frogs )

    and the birds dont need anything special




    Not as much maintance as you are thinking!



    and I will use that idea platyben!
     
  12. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    I havn't read through this whole thread but just wanted to add my 2 cents..
    You say finches belong in a cage? this is totally false, finches need a lot of space to fly and be birds, they are usually kept in aviaries, to keep them in tiny cages is cruel, i am owned by 6 large parrots and do a lot of work in bird rescue, if I saw finches with only a 10gal amount of space to live in i would take actions to have these birds removed from the home..while your idea sounds beautiful it is not realistic, i would leave the birds out of it.

    <EDIT> I just read where you said "and the birds don't need anything special" omg..birds need a lot to be properly cared for, you may want to research finches, I don't know where you are getting your infromation but you have been sadly misinformed.
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2010
  13. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    I also wanted to add, and I am un sure if you are aware but, how can you plan on keeping bearded dragons, frogs and anoles all in the same tank? they are all from diff areas and require diff humidity, temp and lighting..It is a great idea and will be beautiful, I would just suggest reaserching a lot more before you begin, and make sure you look into the diff requirments for each species you are planning to keep together to make sure they are all compatible.
     
  14. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    PLEASE read my posts... I've owned a sunconure and parakeet for 6 YEARS. I love them and they love my family back. They are very well kept and tamed. I will upload videos if you don't believe me.

    Also I know tons of people with happy, thriving finches in cages.. I do not mean LITERALLY 10 gallons. I mean a finch appropiate cage, they are not that big.


    Also I NEVER said I was adding a beardie. Greene anoles and frogs can live in the same humidity as long as there is a UV light for the Green anole. If you dont think I haven't done my research on these animals you are sadly mistaking. I would never take a life for granted.
     
  15. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    I am just trying to help you out, I'm not judging you in any way, I do believe the finch cages on the market are very cruel but this is just my opinion, I still think it is a bad idea to add the birds, and I am sorry I for some reason thought you wanted to add a beardie, I didn't read every post. anyway, good luck with what you decide, I just really hope for the sake of the finches you decide against adding any birds..
     
  16. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    Sorry I did not mean to come off rude. Just had a bad day. And right now I am leaning far against it. Just trying to come up with some ideas right now
     
  17. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    lol, no big deal, we all have bad days...you have to understand that I am a bird freeeek lol, it's what I do, so I can get a little worked up over all things bird related, birds are just such intelligent little feather angels that in my opinion don't belong in captivity at all let alone in a tiny little finch cage, sorry for being so blunt about all this, birds are my passion and I have spent 20 years trying to rescue and save and educate people on their well being and care..
     
  18. OP
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    binskiboi Valued Member Member

    It's all good! I feel so horrible because I know so many birds go to horrible homes.
     
  19. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    Yep, so,so many..people just don't realize, the abuse I have come across over the years is horrific to say the least.
     
  20. Hendryx

    Hendryx Valued Member Member

    Oh, and don't get me wrong, I absolutly love your idea of a little rainforest enviroment, just might not be the best living situation for birdies thats all.
     




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