Breeding Angelfish In Ponds

HI guys hope your all well
So I have a friend who is in need of cash and his current poultry business isn't working that well so I wanted to suggest to him about breeding angelfish to sell to lfs n online and needed more info about breeding.
I chose angelfish cause they can start breeding at bout 7 months age if I'm correct and breed them in the past in my own aquarium but know nothing about breeding them in a pond.
So if u guys could help with stuff like size if the pond to construct (nothing fancy just a rectanguler shape dug n fitted with plastic liner) and how many to start with about 10 (5 month olds) maybe
And any special requirements. Thnx in advance

 

Is the pond going to be indoor or outdoor? Will it be filtered and heated? bizaliz3 breeds angelfish

 

If your goal is to make money....Angels are not the way to go!!!

I'd suggest lemon bn plecos or something a little more unique if you want to make a profit.

 

Is the pond going to be indoor or outdoor? Will it be filtered and heated? bizaliz3 breeds angelfish

Outdoor pond the temp around his place is 26 celicius and I could help him make a diy bucket filter

If your goal is to make money....Angels are not the way to go!!!

I'd suggest lemon bn plecos or something a little more unique if you want to make a profit.

Trust me when I say in my country angelfish are not as common as in US and ive never seen a lemon bn in my entire country. Angels go for about 4-5 $ a piece and there's literally minimum competition in our city

 

Trust me when I say in my country angelfish are not as common as in US and ive never seen a lemon bn in my entire country. Angels go for about 4-5 $ a piece and there's literally minimum competition in our city

The lfs won't give you $4-$5 if that's what they are going to sell them for. You'd get like half that. So you'd need to sell them yourself to get $5 each

I can sell my Angels for $5 each here too. But only the rarer color morphs. The lfs gives me $1 each if I'm lucky. And that's for store credit! Not even cash.

My lemon plecos sell for $10-$15. And they are waaaaaaaaaay less work to breed.

I was just throwing it out there.

 

The lfs won't give you $4-$5 if that's what they are going to sell them for. You'd get like half that. So you'd need to sell them yourself to get $5 each

I can sell my Angels for $5 each here too. But only the rarer color morphs. The lfs gives me $1 each if I'm lucky. And that's for store credit! Not even cash.

My lemon plecos sell for $10-$15. And they are waaaaaaaaaay less work to breed.

I was just throwing it out there.

I understand. Thing is its impossible to get lemon bn in my country and improting to africa will be too expensive/ dangerous
Angels are more valuable here 4$ normal ones.

 

I understand. Thing is its impossible to get lemon bn in my country and improting to africa will be too expensive/ dangerous
Angels are more valuable here 4$ normal ones.

Cool!
Well I've never tried it in a pond. But I assume if its warm and clean and filtered it should work.

 

Have you considered african rift lake cichlids? You could source some rarer cichlids to breed and sell for profit, maybe potentially exporting them?

 

Cool!
Well I've never tried it in a pond. But I assume if its warm and clean and filtered it should work.

Although it would be great if lemon bn plecos were available but he would have to import them from overseas and that means $$$ that's why angels are better

Have you considered african rift lake cichlids? You could source some rarer cichlids to breed and sell for profit, maybe potentially exporting them?

He wud have to cross the border to tanzania then need to pay customs n stuff. I'm trying to find him a business that requires less cash to start

 

Aren't they available locally? Idk if you have pet stores or what they are like, but you may be able to source something... or even then, getting in contact with someone in Tanzania and ship some to him?

 

I only red the origanl post so forgive me if this was mentioned. Breeding fish for profit takes a substantial investment. It takes about 3 months to grow the fry out large enough to sell the first batch. It's usually a year or more before you see an actual profit. A pond will yield you far less fry. Which means profit will take longer. Can you friend wait about 2 years to make any money ?

 

I only red the origanl post so forgive me if this was mentioned. Breeding fish for profit takes a substantial investment. It takes about 3 months to grow the fry out large enough to sell the first batch. It's usually a year or more before you see an actual profit. A pond will yield you far less fry. Which means profit will take longer. Can you friend wait about 2 years to make any money ?

Excellent point Dave. It does take a long time to grow them out to selling point and takes a long time to get any kind of profit. And at $5 each, really all they would be doing is sustaining the breeding operation. And how many people are going to be buying them? Many of the babies might end up going to an LFS for much less than $5.

For me, $5 per fish sustains my hobby. And $15 per fish (my plecos) actually brings in a real profit.

I understand the OP doesn't have access to much else, but I said the same thing at the beginning of the thread, I think they are fooling themselves if they think they will make a profit on angelfish breeding. But hey, they are in a different country, so I shouldn't assume. I don't really know what the value of $5 is in Kenya.

 

Excellent point Dave. It does take a long time to grow them out to selling point and takes a long time to get any kind of profit. And at $5 each, really all they would be doing is sustaining the breeding operation. And how many people are going to be buying them? Many of the babies might end up going to an LFS for much less than $5.

For me, $5 per fish sustains my hobby. And $15 per fish (my plecos) actually brings in a real profit.

I understand the OP doesn't have access to much else, but I said the same thing at the beginning of the thread, I think they are fooling themselves if they think they will make a profit on angelfish breeding. But hey, they are in a different country, so I shouldn't assume. I don't really know what the value of $5 is in Kenya.

Lol trust me in my country you can get a heavy meal for half a dollar
His man business is poultry but that's currently not going so well so he can have the pond angelfish ready for harvest and sale in six months or so that way he can stabilize himself financially the next time he has less profit in poultry

 

tis sellers selling bn way expensive

 

Lol trust me in my country you can get a heavy meal for half a dollar
His man business is poultry but that's currently not going so well so he can have the pond angelfish ready for harvest and sale in six months or so that way he can stabilize himself financially the next time he has less profit in poultry

If there's a good market for angels there that's good, but in a pond your not going to get as many fry to sell. If the breeding angels are new parents it takes them a while to learn not to eat there fry. 6 months is very optimistic.

 

tis sellers selling bn way expensive

HAHAHA!!! Is this a joke???? Almost $1000 for one albino pleco? And they are from america?? And they are babies?? No way.

Look at the ones right after it. Those are the appropriate prices

 

HAHAHA!!! Is this a joke???? Almost $1000 for one albino pleco? And they are from america?? And they are babies?? No way.

Look at the ones right after it. Those are the appropriate prices

Did that get you thinking about shipping again?

 

Did that get you thinking about shipping again?

At $1000 a pop! Heck ya!! lol

I am convinced that had to be a typo!!!

 

At $1000 a pop! Heck ya!! lol

I am convinced that had to be a typo!!!

Possibly. I seen a Brooklyn stand for a 29 gallon for 300 dollars. I bought the same stand for 60 dollars shipped. I emailed the company asking if they were serious about the price. They said yes I replied with 4 links to sights selling it for less then a 100. There are foolish buyers out there.

 

Possibly. I seen a Brooklyn stand for a 29 gallon for 300 dollars. I bought the same stand for 60 dollars shipped. I emailed the company asking if they were serious about the price. They said yes I replied with 4 links to sights selling it for less then a 100. There are foolish buyers out there.

There are definitely foolish buyers out there, but my god, you would have to be really really foolish to spend $1000 on a pleco when there are two listings following it where they are less than $15 each even after shipping.

 

There are definitely foolish buyers out there, but my god, you would have to be really really foolish to spend $1000 on a pleco when there are two listings following it where they are less than $15 each even after shipping.

Lol rich and/or foolish.

 

That's what I thought I mean what's so special about the sellers pleco that its going for 1grand?

 

Lol rich and/or foolish.

Tht seller is probably high something

 

Did that get you thinking about shipping again?

I did see those that are cheaper and I guess I could help my friend buy those but the sellers aint shipping here

 

Dave125g do u know any sellers who ship to africa at a reasonable enough price?

 

Dave125g do u know any sellers who ship to africa at a reasonable enough price?

Have you considered shopping around in Europe? Its slightly closer and easier travel, and places like Germany have fantastic selection.

Another good place to look at is ThaI breeders... which tend to ship worldwide (majority goes to US, Canada and Australia... germany tends to have amazing local breeders) so they might be a good option!

 

Unless it’s the L100s family . A thousand is rediculous . And even then unless it’s super rare . We’re talking max like 200

 

Unless it’s the L100s family . A thousand is rediculous . And even then unless it’s super rare . We’re talking max like 200

That's what I thought. Who would even buy something that expensive?

 

Have you considered shopping around in Europe? Its slightly closer and easier travel, and places like Germany have fantastic selection.

Another good place to look at is ThaI breeders... which tend to ship worldwide (majority goes to US, Canada and Australia... germany tends to have amazing local breeders) so they might be a good option!

Can you recommend any sellers or any site that u trust coz I only know ebay and most sellers aren't shipping to kenya

 

Also does anyone on fishlore ship to kenya coz I was thinking if someone does ship his own bred fish that aren't very common around here my friend could buy some of those for his pond and sell them locally so if any of you ship your stuff here do inform me

 

HAHAHA!!! Is this a joke???? Almost $1000 for one albino pleco? And they are from america?? And they are babies?? No way.

Look at the ones right after it. Those are the appropriate prices

I’m not sure why, but when Ebay sellers start to run low on stock, they put the price close to $1000. I’ve seen it a few times. I was actually looking into buying from that seller that was linked, since the actual price is only $3.99 + $12 for shipping.

 

angels can be breed in a pond but they will be subjected to gill flux and white spot if the temp is below 25 plecos can be keept in a pond but its a risk again due to health problems

 

angels can be breed in a pond but they will be subjected to gill flux and white spot if the temp is below 25 plecos can be keept in a pond but its a risk again due to health problems

They in Kenya... inn which, most of the year is tropical.


Consider sites like aquabid? Maybe google thaI breeders- or someone happens to know someone - and go from there?

 

They in Kenya... inn which, most of the year is tropical.


Consider sites like aquabid? Maybe google thaI breeders- or someone happens to know someone - and go from there?

Ok so u understand that kenyas tropical. That's why I thought it would be easy to breed angels since its kinda similar to their natural environment. Ok ill look at aquabid if they ship here tnx 4 the info

 

Dave125g do u know any sellers who ship to africa at a reasonable enough price?

No I don't. Sorry.

 

No I don't. Sorry.

Tnx nywyz

 

ahh fair enough aussie jj dude I wasn't sure what country they where in I didnt read that part and yes it is warm over there so the water temp won't matter much to the angels and plecos

 

Hey guys thnx a lot for all ur help. Ill give my friend the ideas n if he thinks they can help ill inform u.
Also I looked at aquabid and its UI is kinda ancient. Hard to know kenyan sellers. Also on ebay I saw some thaI sellin killifish eggs. Do they really hatch or just a hoax also will the eggs survive the shipping period?

 

Africa is full of Killifish, and Kenya has at least a couple of native species that people around the world would love to have. Killifish eggs usually have a 2 week gestation period for non-annuals, and annuals can run from 6 weeks to 6 months. That's why shipping killifish eggs is so popular. However, most of the species that the Asians ship come from various parts of East Africa, so I would think it would be cheaper to take a trip to neighboring countries and collect your own.

As for the original question of breeding angelfish in ponds, I believe it is actually more cost effective to do it that way. However, most commercial breeders would spawn the pairs in tanks, then raise the fry for a short while and then grow them out to near adult size in the ponds. It would take a couple of years to establish a good breeding population by simply putting stock in the pond and letting them breed naturally. Unfortunately, the environmental needs of angelfish might not be compatible with your region.

 

Tnx 4 the info