Blue Spotted Puffer- Info Help???

Discussion in 'Saltwater Puffers' started by KaitKat, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    Hi guys,
    I went to my LFS and got a Blue Spotted Puffer for my 20g (it's a baby, only about 2 inches long right now and the plan is to already have a bigger tank by the time it outgrows the 20g). The problem is, after roughly 5 straight hours of googling about them, the only thing I've worked on pretty much all day, I still can find only the bare minimum of information. My LFS has a great reputation and the guys were so awesome about helping me decide which fish to set up my tank for and research based on what I can provide and my near future plans *on my previous trip* (trying to emphasize yes I researched for HOURS before it was brought home and still nothing), so I'm going 100% off what they said. It also happened to line up with what little information I found online (they gave more info than the internet but when they said something about a topic I found info on it was the same).
    What they told me was -
    • LRS Fish Frenzy is what its been on, when it gets bigger switch to LRS Chunky.
    • Feed it live snails. The shells help keep its beak short.
    • You can actually see when it's being overfed because they get "fat" bellies after feeding. Skinny is bad, a little chubby is perfect, and bloated is too much. This will help me gauge and get used to feeding the right amount.
    • Consider adding live rock for it to rub its beak on to keep it short. (I had asked about the beak situation and they gave options to reduce/eliminate how often I'd need to trim it but didn't try to sell me on something I didn't need, which is also part of why I trust their info so much)
    • Sand substrate. Puffers generally like to dig/play with the sand.
    • Have hiding spots but also an open area for digging/playing.
    • They like attention. A lot. This is basically a water puppy.
    • Not super fast growers (internet said puffers, in general, grow about 3/4-1 inch a year) so the 20g will be perfect for possibly up to 4 years, but always judge based on growth. When it's getting close to 4.5-5 inches it'll start to get bored aka get a bigger tank.
    • It will get up to 6 inches
    • They're messy and I'll have to clean up after it eats like it's my baby. (Let's be real here though, it IS my baby)
    • They're pretty much impossible to tell the difference between the sexes. "Just pick one and go with it. The fish won't care, it won't even know." lol.. Since I can "pick" I'll find a name I like and go from there... unless someone here knows the difference
    That's all I can think of right now. If I happen to remember something else I left out I'll edit it in :)

    So in a nutshell my questions are
    (1) Is this info right/what else do I need to know?
    (2) Based on how big it is can anyone tell how old it is?
    (3) Are these fish new/rare to the aquarium world or am I completely missing something?
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    Sorry for the long post. Enjoy this terrible quality picture of me trying not to disturb it with my flashlight while it's sleeping on its hut. This is the first time I've seen a fish use something as a "bed" to sleep and I'm in love with it already.
     
  2. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    Puffers are awesome! I can't wait to have space for one. I'm no expert on them, but I can answer a few of your questions, since puffer information is pretty standard across most species.

    Live snails will help keep it's beak short, but be careful where you get those snails from. They could be diseased. I'd recommend getting a bunch of freshwater ramshorns and malaysian trumpets and setting up a breeding tank (the tank can be anything from a full blown aquarium to a bucket with an airstone), and that'll allow you a steady supply of snails.

    Good info on the stomach. There should be a slight bulge right after feeding, but your fish should never look swollen or "fat". Slightly rounded is perfect.

    Since this is a saltwater puffer, I'd recommend setting the tank up like a FOWLR tank. It's going to be a natural environment for the puffer, and allows a lot of live rock for filtration. You may even be able to keep certain macroalgaes with him, if you're interested with that.

    Most puffers will sort through the sand to look for food. Even if there really isn't anything in the sand, I think it's good to let them "hunt". Sand is a good idea here. Aragonite is what I'd go with.

    If it were me, I'd do 10-15 lbs of live rock, and make some natural-looking formations with it, but leave the front area of the tank pretty open for swimming. Leave as much room as possible.

    Puffers are some of the messiest fish you can get in the hobby. I would honestly say that you're going to run into water quality issues way before you run into size issues in a 20 gallon. Preferably, you're going to want nitrate below 20 PPM, so I'd set my Water change schedule around that. 5-8 gallons weekly is a good place to start.

    These puffers aren't new, or even exactly rare, they just aren't quite as popular as other puffers for some reason. I personally really enjoy them, and have ogled a few at my LFS before.

    Your tank is cycled, correct? I think we need some more info on the tank itself. Is this your first saltwater tank? What are your water parameters? Your Specific Gravity? Equipment? Etc...
     
  3. puffer boi

    puffer boi Well Known Member Member

    looks like they will need a 50 gallon in the futrure...
     




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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    I'm used to Mollies and ended up with a mom and 30 babies in the 20g with nowhere else to put them, so 5-8 gallon weekly water changes are nbd compared to what I had to do for them lol! Live rock can definitely be in the works.. but would it be okay to just add a chunk to the current setup and set the bigger tank up as FOWLR? I really like the Hawaii decor but I also want whats best for the fish which is the more important part.
    The tank is cycled - Ammonia, Nitrate, and Nitrite are all at 0 and specific gravity is 1.022. As far as equipment I have a TopFin Silentstream 20g filter (came with tank), a heater, the API Saltwater Master Kit (not sure if that's important to list or not) and a hydrometer. And yes, this is my first saltwater tank.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2018
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    The plan is to already have that by the time it needs it
     
  6. OP
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    This is the current tank. Please excuse my dog's nose print smudges on the glass.. The volcano and wheel thing make a decent bit of a current/water movement type thing (they can also be turned up but I personally thought it was good how I have it) IMG_6154.JPG
    I'm considering getting either a plant with bigger leaves or a betta leaf so it can lay on that instead of the roof if it wants.. let me know if that's a good or bad idea
     
  7. puffer boi

    puffer boi Well Known Member Member

    i would get more fake plants. btw he looks super cute!!
    what are you feeding him?
     
  8. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    Okay, so honestly I do think that live rock will be very important to this tank. Saltwater cycles are a bit different than freshwater cycles, and bacteria in live rock tend to be a bit more stable than bacteria living in filter media. If you'd like to keep your decor, you definitely can. I'd build up some rock around the volcano and the hut in a shape that you're happy with, and that'll help keep your tank happy and healthy. I'd ditch the fake plants, personally, especially if they're plastic or sharp. Puffers have pretty sensitive skin, and could get scratched on those plants pretty easily.

    I'd buy base rock (dead live rock), and give it the vinegar treatment in a bucket. Take some white vinegar, and soak the rock in a 1:1 solution of vinegar and water. That'll get rid of any dead material in the rock, and you can safely add the rock to your tank without risking any sort of mini-cycle.

    Since this is your first saltwater tank, I'd do some reading about FOWLR setups in general. This is a great opportunity to learn about the difference between salt and fresh tanks, and would be a great start to eventually getting into more saltwater fish. FOWLR isn't necessarily difficult, but there's some info you'll want to know and can find pretty easily online.

    This is sorta a rushed response, so sorry if I'm a bit confusing right now. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
     
  9. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    Any updates on the little guy?
     
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    I've been super busy the past couple days and just got home from work- will update in the next couple hours!
     
  11. OP
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    I'm feeding him LRS Fish Frenzy. In my research (attempt) I found LRS Chunks but the guy at the LFS said he's too small for that right now and has been eating Fish Frenzy. If you could take a look at my latest question I'd really appreciate it!
    How To Feed A Puffer?
     
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    Thank you for your advice! I never thought of the rock around the volcano idea but I honestly love it! I'll definitely work on making that happen. As for the plants, are there any easy, no to low maintenance plants you can suggest? I only have the lights that came with the tank (TopFin 20g Starter Kit) so I think they'd need to be low light too. I don't know much about plants in general so I might be wrong about the low light thing. I usually stick to Bamboo, Cacti, and a window lol. I've skimmed some stuff about FOWLR when I was researching the Puffer but I'll definitely go back and actually read it through. Just making sure- I'd need to know that stuff no matter how much live rock is in the tank, right?
     
  13. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    Well there are no saltwater plants that we can keep in our aquariums. There are, however, things called macroalgae that resemble plants and are beneficial to your tank. They definitely aren't low-light, though.

    And yeah, I'd definitely say to learn as much as you can about FOWLR tanks.
     
  14. OP
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    Okay, I can look into some silk/not plastic fake plants then. I don't think that grass has sharp edges so I don't think it'd hurt him, but it is plastic so if that's enough to be a risk I'd rather not have it in there if I have another option.
    Would you be able to tell what kind of light it is (low, medium, etc.) by the picture above? Or is that something I'd have to look for something on the label to be able to tell?
     
  15. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    Is it a fluorescent fixture or LEDs?
     
  16. OP
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    LEDs
     
  17. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    If they're the LED's that came in the kit with the tank, they likely can't support any sort of saltwater macroalgae.

    If you want to get into macros, I'd be more than happy to provide you with some starter fixtures and such.
     
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    I'd appreciate that! At the very least it'll be a helpful starting point in the future
     
  19. Lorekeeper

    Lorekeeper Well Known Member Member

    For the 20 gallon, I think a good place to start would be with a standard fluorescent fixture. You wouldn't be able to keep many more light-intensive macros, but you'd be fine with a few of the easier ones.

    This fixture on Amazon has pretty good reviews, and would grow some good starter macros and give you flexibility in bulb color in the future: https://www.amazon.com/6500K-Aquari...UTF8&qid=1529287712&sr=1-3&keywords=6500K+30"

    It comes with two daylight bulbs, that would be fine with growing macros. If you wanted a bit more blue, you can exchange one/both of the bulbs for a 10000K.
     
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    KaitKat

    KaitKat Valued Member Member

    Oh wow that's really not as expensive as I thought it'd be
    You've been so helpful today (and Friday). I really appreciate being taught a different/better way and having it explained as opposed to just having someone act like I should know better and not having any productive conversation. Thank you so so much for all your help!
     




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