Betta Velvet treatment? (dbl check it's not fin rot or ich)

VoltaireEmilie

Hello, I am looking for some advice on an ill betta- I'd appreciate any thoughts you have. I think it might be velvet, but I am not entirely sure if I should begin copper treatment.

My male betta has been lethargic, has some fraying/white edged fins that have started dropping pieces, and has developed a spotting that looks a bit gold depending on the lighting - but not in the picture. I did turn off the lights and look with a flash light- it definitely looks gold to me then. I had noticed a bit of lethargy for a week or so, and he has not build a bubble nest in quite some time (he used to build one daily). I just noticed the fin fraying and spots yesterday. He has been eating okay.

I am considering treating for velvet, & moved him yesterday to a 2 gallon quarantine tank w/ 1 tsp aquarium salt per gallon. I upped the salt slowly and have a heater in the tank, though it is a preset one that does not go above 78. I have not added filtration or bubble stone to the quarantine tank.

From what I've read, I am not entirely understanding if velvet can be treated with aquarium salt alone or not. I do like that the salt helps with ich, velvet, & fin rot - but I'm scared to add the copper treatment without being 100% certain it is velvet.

Here are some details on him and his original tank:
- I've had him for 3 months
- Housed in a divided 10 gallon tank with a female betta on the other side, and a mystery snail (5 gal to each fish)
- I can't see anything clearly wrong with/on the female betta, but she is more shiny than him and I'm not 100% sure. She has been acting fine.
- I had added a nerite snail in a couple of weeks ago, who I believe to be the source of infection. I hadn't quarantined the snail (drat). The snail has died yesterday or the day before as far as I can tell.
- Tank is heated between 75-78F
- Tank is filtered with active carbon, etc
- Tank contains soil, gravel, and plants
- Tests with API kit show the following results as of today: Ammonia 0.25, Nitrites 0, Nitrates 40 (I do struggle with the colors on these tests though!)

I'm new to this, so please excuse my numerous questions. Thank you!

A. Is it velvet?
B. Should I return the male to the original tank and treat it as a whole, since velvet is contagious? Or should I remove both fish to quarantine, treat both fish in quarantine, and clean the heck out of the original tank? If I treat in the original tank, I know I need to remove the carbon filter, but do I need to worry about the plants with salt and/or copper?
C. Should I treat with just aquarium salt, and if so for how long? 10 days was suggested on one site for a salt treatment
D. Should I monitor for a while (how long?) before beginning copper treatment? (I assume I just follow the bottle's instructions for this)
E. Can I combine the salt and copper treatments?
F. How frequently should I change the water in the quarantine tank, and what percentage?
G. How long should I leave him (/them?) in the quarantine tank? 3-4 weeks was suggested one place - but that is longer than the treatment time I'd think...?

I think that is all I have for now. If you've made it this far thank you!
 

BigManAquatics

If i remember right, i think doing a full tank blackout helps as well. I don't remember much about treating velvet off-hand and gotta run kids about in a minute.

Is the gold spotting look almost like a dust on it's body on the flashlight check?
 

VoltaireEmilie

If i remember right, i think doing a full tank blackout helps as well. I don't remember much about treating velvet off-hand and gotta run kids about in a minute.

Is the gold spotting look almost like a dust on it's body on the flashlight check?
I have turned off the lights in the main tank and have none in the quarantine tank, but I can go for a full blackout it needed. Thanks for the suggestion.

Yes, I'd say it looked rather like dust in the flashlight. Maybe not a entirely random dust pattern, more along the scale ridges perhaps? I'll have to check again. He's in my classroom at school, so I'll try to pop back later this evening to double check.

Thank you!
 

BigManAquatics

As far as any finrot goes, i would worry about velvet first. It is a killer parasite. Fin rot won't kill near as quickly!!
 

betta06

I have turned off the lights in the main tank and have none in the quarantine tank, but I can go for a full blackout it needed. Thanks for the suggestion.

Yes, I'd say it looked rather like dust in the flashlight. Maybe not a entirely random dust pattern, more along the scale ridges perhaps? I'll have to check again. He's in my classroom at school, so I'll try to pop back later this evening to double check.

Thank you!
sadly it does look like velvet... Seachem Cupramine works amazing for it though! my betta had it quite bad and within 5 days to was almost complete gone! make sure you read the instructions carefully though as they are very specific and it will take two weeks to treat if I remember correctly. also as BigManAquatics said make sure you black out the tank I just turned the lights of since my room is dark anyways though.

oh, and it's not safe for invertebrates.
 

VoltaireEmilie

sadly it does look like velvet... Seachem Cupramine works amazing for it though! my betta had it quite bad and within 5 days to was almost complete gone! make sure you read the instructions carefully though as they are very specific and it will take two weeks to treat if I remember correctly. also as BigManAquatics said make sure you black out the tank I just turned the lights of since my room is dark anyways though.

oh, and it's not safe for invertebrates.
Thank you! I am glad to hear the treatment works well and has a good outlook, that is wonderful. I'll definitely black out the tank too. And find a new place for the snail until the treatment is done.

Would you recommend just treating in the original tank, plants, female, and all? I know the plants might die, but I'll favor the fish for now. And to take out the carbon filter too.

Thank you!
As far as any finrot goes, i would worry about velvet first. It is a killer parasite. Fin rot won't kill near as quickly!!
Thank you! Definitely a good idea to prioritize the parasite, I appreciate the advice.
 

BigManAquatics

Thank you! I am glad to hear the treatment works well and has a good outlook, that is wonderful. I'll definitely black out the tank too. And find a new place for the snail until the treatment is done.

Would you recommend just treating in the original tank, plants, female, and all? I know the plants might die, but I'll favor the fish for now. And to take out the carbon filter too.

Thank you!
I would. It is a parasite after all. No sense treating it in hospital tank then putting the velvet free fish back into a still possibly infected tank. Though the parasite will die if no hosts available to attach to in the first 24 hrs or so.
 

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