Betta fungus / fungal infection?

annihilaity

My betta was fine yesterday, but when I woke up this morning, pieces of his tail were all over the sand in his tank. I flushed him out of his hiding spot and was horrified to see his whole tail was missing and a white fungus on him where it was. I put some Melafix in his tank, as well as some salt and Prime. It's pretty bad and I'm worried he won't make it. I just this week put 3 panda corys in his tank. Two died. I'm not sure if they brought the fungus with them or if it's related. Is there anything more I can do to help him, or just treat him with Melafix in the hopes he gets better? Thanks.
 

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bellachan

Eesh poor guy! If you have cories left maybe you should take them out. Or the betta. Do you have a QT tank?

What are your water parameters if I may ask?
 

annihilaity

It's a 2.5 gal with a filter, and I got my water tested yesterday, I can't tell you the exact reading, but my ammonia was a little high and I corrected it with Seachem. I don't have a QT but I was going to treat the whole tank to make sure my last Cory wasn't infected either. The two don't seem to interact at all.

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_Fried_Bettas_

The cory will be killed by most medications, in fact, I'm surprised the salt has not already done so. You should remove him immediately.

Change 1/2 the water daily until he gets better, unless you are restricted by the instructions on the meds. Super pristine water is the best way to promote healing. The salt may have killed the original disease, but the medication I use for fin rot is Maracyn Plus and it has always stopped the fins from deteriorating further. How well the betta regrows the fins differs from betta to betta and it is my opinion hinges entirely on pristine water conditions.
 

annihilaity

I'm actually out of town for a few days so I've left him with a friend and I can't really check up on them. I don't believe she has the resources to set up a tank for the Cory but I'll ask her if she can try... He was doing fine when I last saw him last night. The Melafix says to do a water change after 7 days of treatment, but I'll certainly try the pristine water for regrowth. Thank you for the suggestion.

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Lily12

Yes I am another one of those inexperienced fishkeepers with a sick betta!
I have a ten gallon tank which my betta has been in for 18 months and a bristlenose pleco which has been in there maybe 4 months. I have been told this tank is too small for the bristlenose but at the moment he is under 3cm and I plan to upgrade later, I understand there is also the issue of their waste but with filtering, a 25% change each week and many plants the water quality has been fine for now.

I have noticed a small white fuzzy ball shape on the end of part of my bettas fins which I assume is a fungus.


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In my emotional panic I went straight to the only fish shop open and grabbed pimafix and added it to the tank. I have since read of concerns about pimafix a, not always working for some people and b, containing clove oil in an unknown amount which could kill the fish if too much builds up.
I have also read about adding salts now. Unfortunately I own aquarium salts and had stopped adding them as I thought they were unnecessary.

I am now wondering should I continue using pimafix as it may help my fish but just do another water change sooner to ensure clove oil cannot build up. If the only issue with this medication is this and not always working I can't see how this could hurt. (it says to use for 7 days before water change and I have used it yesterday and today so I am planning a 25% water change tommoro before adding more)

OR

Should I stop using pimafix full stop and try to treat the condition with salt or otherwise?

OR could I use pimafix as mentioned above aswell as salt to increase the likelyhood of curing my fish.

Note: I believe there are some possible sharp edges on one piece of driftwood which may be the cause, I also try very hard to keep on top of it but one of my plants bought just continues to grow new bits and then drop them (the leaf the new bits were on dies and drops off original plant) so I am often retrieving decaying leaves from the tank). I don't know much about plants but this particular plant has gone from one to at least ten plants in about 6 months.

The fungus is really small and has not spread on him at all yet so I am hoping with the right treatment It can be fixed quickly! I look at him every day when I feed him so it has only just developed.
Thanks for your help fish veterans!

edit that is not fungus on his gills/upperbody aswell just the light and cameraflash
 

Peacefantasy

I would be doing 50% water changes a week.. especially with a pleco in there..10g is way too small. But you say you plan on upgrading. Do it asap lol
Honestly, everything ive dealt with so far has been cured with water changes, so that's all I can recommend. As for Pimafix, ive been told not to use it with bettas because of their Labyrinth. So I would not dose again.
As for salt..I'm not quite a believer on it, though I never use it. Its too much of a dabatable product on whether it actually benefits fish. I don't see it worth the risk.
Just frequent water changes. Nothing beats fresh clean water
Keep us updated on what you choose to do and how it turns out. I'll be following TexasDomer Aquaphobia Flowingfins
 

cheese

honestly, I'd be doing 50% water changes daily until his fungus clears up. I also wouldn't use salt or medicine, just speaking from experience and some advice I've gotten on here that helped me cure my betta best of luck!

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Peacefantasy

Agreed with cheese
 

TexasDomer

I would treat that. Looks like a fungal infection to me too, possible secondary to a bacterial infection or wound.

Stop Pimafix - if Pimafix/Melafix treats it, clean water will too. If clean water won't, you need something stronger than Pimafix/Melafix.
DoubleDutch - treat for the fungal infection, or for the possible underlying infection, or both?
 

DoubleDutch

I would treat that. Looks like a fungal infection to me too, possible secondary to a bacterial infection or wound.

Stop Pimafix - if Pimafix/Melafix treats it, clean water will too. If clean water won't, you need something stronger than Pimafix/Melafix.
DoubleDutch - treat for the fungal infection, or for the possible underlying infection, or both?

Not sure about :-(.
Does it have fungus around the gill as well or is it the pic.
I'd keep the water pristine.

I believe one should be careful with bettas / gouramis and Melafix / pimafix.
I am not a Betta-knower though.
 

Peacefantasy

Not sure about :-(.
Does it have fungus around the gill as well or is it the pic.
I'd keep the water pristine.

I believe one should be careful with bettas / gouramis and Melafix / pimafix.
I am not a Betta-knower though.
OP says its just the picture flash
 

Aquaphobia

Just clean water. For some reason my only CT got those too when he had fungus shortly after I got him. They look like little white balls at the ends of the filaments. I've only ever seen fin rot look like that on a CT

But agree with Peacefantasty, larger water changes each week should do it. At least 50% and I might do them twice a week for at least the next couple of weeks. Once a week for maintenance. And yeah, get that pleco out of there. She may be small, but she's an Olympic-calibre poo-machine
 

Flowingfins

Agree with the others.
If my research is correct, the reason pimafix/melafix/bettafix shouldn't be used with labyrinth fish is because the melaleuca oil causes their labyrinth organ(which is their main source of air) to stop working (I think it swells, not 100% sure though) and thus, suffocate the fish.
I don't agree with salt in any freshwater fish unless it is an extreme case and you have no other options. His is no where near that stage though.
I have seen the little white balls on my CT too, I think they are more susceptible to it. Clean water should clear it up, no medicines or salt.
Since your tank is so overstocked, I would be doing much larger water changes weekly. I would be doing 25% every other day until his fungus/rot clears up as well.
 

Lily12

Thanks for your help everyone.
Today it has spread slightly, but by that I mean a couple of millimeters up the same part of his fin. I did a fifty percent water change today and there will be no more pimafix. he only sits on the bottom under plants when the filter is on as soon as I turn it off he comes up for food and he still comes up to the glass when he sees something etc so I assume at this early stage I should keep going with a 25% water change a day here on in and see if he improves?
 

Peacefantasy

Thanks for your help everyone.
Today it has spread slightly, but by that I mean a couple of millimeters up the same part of his fin. I did a fifty percent water change today and there will be no more pimafix. he only sits on the bottom under plants when the filter is on as soon as I turn it off he comes up for food and he still comes up to the glass when he sees something etc so I assume at this early stage I should keep going with a 25% water change a day here on in and see if he improves?
Why do you turn off the filter?
I agree with Cheese's advice of daily 50% water changes until it goes away
 

Lily12

I turn off the filter to feed my betta otherwise the food just gets pushed out to the edge and he misses it. I'm not sure of the name of the type but I have an old school aqua one where the filter water falls back into the tank from the top so it creates a fair bit of movement on the surface.

It has spread a tiny bit onto other fins does anyone know of any medications that actually work or should I be waiting a couple more days to see if it improves with water changes. Again its only on the fins but I would love to stop it before it is all over his body like some cases I have seen, I can't imagine that would be fun for him
 

Aquaphobia

How often are you doing the water changes and how large are they? How long have you been doing the increased water changes? I wouldn't add any meds at this point as that will only stress him further. Water changes can take a few days to show improvement.
 

Peacefantasy

I'm just curious.. is the pleco still in the tank?
 

Lily12

pleco is still in the tank, I don't have a quarantine tank. have looked him over thoroughly with a torch he is showing no signs of the same thing
 

Peacefantasy

pleco is still in the tank, I don't have a quarantine tank. have looked him over thoroughly with a torch he is showing no signs of the same thing
I'm asking because a pleco's bioload is so heavy, it probably has something to do with it
 

Lily12

Yep, going to do even bigger/ more frequent water changes now on advice. And looks like the new tank will need to come sooner.

After looking at him under strong light again I am now thinking that his fins are not quite looking their normal as well eg finrot. He was a very scraggly fish from day one so it's hard to tell, nothing like some of the neat bettas I have seen around. But I think there is a little bit of deterioration of fins as well This is only his second day of water changes thought as I noticed it only a couple of days ago and at first I tried pimafix for one day, so I guess I will need to wait a couple of days to see if he improves with the water changes. I will get a new picture tommoro I just did the water change for today and he is always shy after water changes. I try to stay completely away from him with the gravel syphon but obviously its enough to stress him out. hopefully all the water changes aren't stressing him because of the process and are working in my favour not against me.
 

Peacefantasy

I have a betta in a 10 gallon and one in a 5 gallon and do 50% water changes. I take them out and put them in their betta cups they came in.
The way I see it is theyre going to be stressed either way. But they are familiar with their cups and don't have to deal with their environment being disrupted.
Others may have different ways of doing it, but with such little tanks, its just what works for me and my fish.

When do you think you'll be able to get your bigger tank? And do you know what size you'll be getting?
 

Subha92

Yes I am another one of those inexperienced fishkeepers with a sick betta!
I have a ten gallon tank which my betta has been in for 18 months and a bristlenose pleco which has been in there maybe 4 months. I have been told this tank is too small for the bristlenose but at the moment he is under 3cm and I plan to upgrade later, I understand there is also the issue of their waste but with filtering, a 25% change each week and many plants the water quality has been fine for now.

I have noticed a small white fuzzy ball shape on the end of part of my bettas fins which I assume is a fungus.


image.jpg

In my emotional panic I went straight to the only fish shop open and grabbed pimafix and added it to the tank. I have since read of concerns about pimafix a, not always working for some people and b, containing clove oil in an unknown amount which could kill the fish if too much builds up.
I have also read about adding salts now. Unfortunately I own aquarium salts and had stopped adding them as I thought they were unnecessary.

I am now wondering should I continue using pimafix as it may help my fish but just do another water change sooner to ensure clove oil cannot build up. If the only issue with this medication is this and not always working I can't see how this could hurt. (it says to use for 7 days before water change and I have used it yesterday and today so I am planning a 25% water change tommoro before adding more)

OR

Should I stop using pimafix full stop and try to treat the condition with salt or otherwise?

OR could I use pimafix as mentioned above aswell as salt to increase the likelyhood of curing my fish.

Note: I believe there are some possible sharp edges on one piece of driftwood which may be the cause, I also try very hard to keep on top of it but one of my plants bought just continues to grow new bits and then drop them (the leaf the new bits were on dies and drops off original plant) so I am often retrieving decaying leaves from the tank). I don't know much about plants but this particular plant has gone from one to at least ten plants in about 6 months.

The fungus is really small and has not spread on him at all yet so I am hoping with the right treatment It can be fixed quickly! I look at him every day when I feed him so it has only just developed.
Thanks for your help fish veterans!

edit that is not fungus on his gills/upperbody aswell just the light and cameraflash
You can take youa Betta for a Potassium Permanganate bath for 1 minute. Do the same for alternate days until the problem solves. Watch carefully whil your betta is in Potassium Permanganate as it is an oxidative product and may harm your fish if you let it for more than 1 minute.

In the mean time, try 70% water change. Always use an stress coat after the huge water change.

Best of Luck, Happy Fishing
 

LorenaGR

It appears my betta has a fungal infection. She has two small cottony white patches on her back and the tips of her fins look like they're melting.

I know I need to treat her and am expecting API's Fungal Cure to arrive in about a week. She has a nerite snail as a tankmate and an anubias nana. I have two questions:

1) Should I treat the whole tank? I have not seen weird stuff on the snail or the plant, but I'm scared they may also be infected.

2) Is there anything I can do to treat fungus while I wait for her medicine? I have been doing 25% water changes every other day to improve water quality but I wonder if I could be doing more.

Thank you.
 

goplecos

Stop doing the water changes that is stressing out the fish, and it won't make the infection go away. And yes treat the whole tank, the plant and snail can't get infected like that but they can harbor the desese and give it to the Betta again. Also get something NOW, I know they are super pricy at Petsmart and Petco but I Bettas can't survive long untreated and I have never seen a fish survive for more than 5 days untreated
 

LorenaGR

Stop doing the water changes that is stressing out the fish, and it won't make the infection go away. And yes treat the whole tank, the plant and snail can't get infected like that but they can harbor the desese and give it to the Betta again. Also get something NOW, I know they are super pricy at Petsmart and Petco but I Bettas can't survive long untreated and I have never seen a fish survive for more than 5 days untreated

Thank you. I will try to get something faster. Do you recommend any other medicine? Will aquarium salt help?
 

goplecos

API is good because they are safe for snails, just get anything by API that says it good for fungus. Salt will help short term
 

LorenaGR

API is good because they are safe for snails, just get anything by API that says it good for fungus. Salt will help short term

Got it. One last question. I am in the process of cycling a 10G for her (she's currently in a 3G), and since it is a fishless cycle I still have a couple of weeks to go.

Once she gets better and the tank is ready, are there any precautions I should take for this tank? I am not transferring anything else (snail, plant, and deco are staying in 3G), but I'm afraid the stress of the move may cause a new outbreak?

Sorry for all the questions! I'm an overly anxious beginner.
 

goplecos

what I like to do when I move fish over is take quite a bit of the old water and put it in the new tank. I would also wait till a week after she's cured. Oh and make sure to get something that cures fin rot.
 

LorenaGR

Awesome, thank you very much!
 

Briggs

It appears my betta has a fungal infection. She has two small cottony white patches on her back and the tips of her fins look like they're melting.

I know I need to treat her and am expecting API's Fungal Cure to arrive in about a week. She has a nerite snail as a tankmate and an anubias nana. I have two questions:

1) Should I treat the whole tank? I have not seen weird stuff on the snail or the plant, but I'm scared they may also be infected.

2) Is there anything I can do to treat fungus while I wait for her medicine? I have been doing 25% water changes every other day to improve water quality but I wonder if I could be doing more.

Thank you.

Are you sure it's fungal? Can you post pictures? White cottony patches could also be Columnaris, which is bacterial and aggressive, and Fungal Cure won't do much for it. Is the fin damage in a spot with the cotton? If not, that sounds like fin rot and it's probably a separate issue. Is the tank she's in now cycled?

If it is a fungal infection and you treat with fungal cure, take out the plant or treat your betta a hospital tank. I don't think it'll bother the snail, but it isn't going to do the Anubias any good.

Stop doing the water changes that is stressing out the fish, and it won't make the infection go away. And yes treat the whole tank, the plant and snail can't get infected like that but they can harbor the desese and give it to the Betta again. Also get something NOW, I know they are super pricy at Petsmart and Petco but I Bettas can't survive long untreated and I have never seen a fish survive for more than 5 days untreated

25% water changes if done correctly will not stress out the fish. Also, in my experience Petsmart and Petso carry very little real medication. LFS or online is a better bet.
 

LorenaGR


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Are you sure it's fungal? Can you post pictures? White cottony patches could also be Columnaris, which is bacterial and aggressive, and Fungal Cure won't do much for it. Is the fin damage in a spot with the cotton? If not, that sounds like fin rot and it's probably a separate issue. Is the tank she's in now cycled?

If it is a fungal infection and you treat with fungal cure, take out the plant or treat your betta a hospital tank. I don't think it'll bother the snail, but it isn't going to do the Anubias any good.



25% water changes if done correctly will not stress out the fish. Also, in my experience Petsmart and Petso carry very little real medication. LFS or online is a better bet.

Oh no! I am not sure if it is Columnaris! I am attaching some pictures, she's fast so they're blurry. The fin damage is at the tips of her fins, no cottony patches there. Which medicine would you suggest for Columnaris and fin rot? I went to Petsmart and they had zero medicine aside from General Cure and stuff for Ick, but there's also a Petco I could go to.

The tank was cycled, but I think I threw it off when I introduced the snail. My betta has been in that tank for almost two years now with a heater and a small filter, about 8 months ago I introduced the Anubias and some Hairgrass (at the time I didn't know I had to quarintine anything, so I didn't). The plants started to produce algae and about three months ago I introduced the snail (did not quarantine either). Turns out the snail produces A LOT of waste, and I started seeing spikes in ammonia.

I've since removed hairgrass and increased water changes but I'm pretty sure this is why the infection appeared.

Also, it has been slowly growing from specs to patches. At first I thought it was Ick, and so I treated for that. It looked like it was going away but then it started spreading (this is her second week like this), I noticed her fins yesterday. She's been really active and eats normally, it's just those patches and her fins.

If I leave the anubias untreated, is there any risk of it infecting the betta again if it os reintroduced? Would it be okay if I put it in the tank that I'm currently cycling?
 

Briggs

It's a little hard to tell from the pictures. It's good that she's still acting normal, though! Here is a trick for getting a good shot of a fast fish: take a video and then pause and screenshot when she's in focus. It's really the only way I can get anything other than a blue blur when I take pictures of my halfmoon.

I'm going to call in CindiL to see if she can help you diagnose. Here is a good write up she did on Columnaris: Columnaris Symptoms And Treatment There is a chance it could still be fungal, though.

You should be able to just rinse the anubias off really well or do a bleach or hydrogen peroxide dip to disinfect it and it'll be fine. Any contaminates it's carrying should be on the surface of the plant. I can't think of much that will infect both a plant and a fish. Most of the time when we quarantine plants, it's to keep things like pest snails and algae out of our tanks. Once it's clean it'll be perfectly happy in the cycling tank. Plants tend to thrive in tanks with lots of nitrogen compounds in the water that would be toxic to your fish, so it'll probably enjoy it while it lasts!
 

Theo

Alright guys, I picked up a Veil Tail male Betta from Petco yesterday. I had a fully cycled and heated 3.5 gallon waiting for him at home. So I checked my parameters (ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites) which were all 0, the ph is 7. I did a drip acclimation for him and put him into the tank after 20 minutes. Checked the parameters again and they were the same. I got up this morning to find him with thin, white fuzz on his body. Also his stress stripe is beginning to show. I did a water change but I'm not sure if I need to give him an epsom salt bath or get fungal medication.
 

KinsKicks

Hello!

Could you get a pic? That would help immensely. And what are the parameters today?

As for the cycle, unless you had a WC right before purchasing, the numbers shouldn't be 0 across the board. And if you had done a WC, feel free to ignore this part
 

Theo

Hello!

Could you get a pic? That would help immensely. And what are the parameters today?

As for the cycle, unless you had a WC right before purchasing, the numbers shouldn't be 0 across the board. And if you had done a WC, feel free to ignore this part

Hey there! The parameters today are Ammonia: 0ppm, Nitrites:0ppm and Nitrates: 10~20ppm
And I did do a water change before I had gotten him so I wouldn't have to bother him with a water change later on in the week

Here are some pictures, he's moving around so the pictures aren't the best, I'm sorry about that. It's hard to see the fuzz too, in the second pic you can see it better. He's been hiding a lot too.
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Racing1113

If you google columnaris does it look like any of the pictures?
 

Theo

If you google columnaris does it look like any of the pictures?
Yeah it looks exactly like that. What medication would I need to use?
 

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