Betta black gill

Hi. My betta has one fine gill; however, his other gill is fully black. I think it is because i over did it with aquarium salt in trying to fix a bump within him and his tail fin rot.

1) Since then, i did a WC, and i put only methylene blue + vitachem. I am feeding him well like frozen blood worms, and freeze dried daphnia, and bug bites.

I will do the same Process as 1) each day.

Question:
A) this amount of strong salt probably fixed his tail fin rot right because it was so strong. And in addition, if address if any issues where with a bump within him, right?
B) can this betta heal its gill? Or does betta heal gill with something like that?
C) i just added one airstone. Is it okay if i put two airstones . one regular and one 2inch for a just a 5gallon?

He still has one perfect and fine gill on his other side, so he can breathe okay, but not the best i guess. But he doesn't gasp for air or anything.

 

How old is your betta? Young bettas often get more color as they grow. When my betta girl was getting her color, I thought she had ich! But no, it was just her fins becoming white, and now they are a beautiful navy blue striped!

 

Just looks like the inside is sticking out a bit. All my bettas have had that color of gill on the inside. Just usually doesn't show much unless they flare at stuff.

 

1) His black gill side has some little tiny breathing rather than clamped and none, like the first day. Thus, he is getting better

2) He is an extremely strong better. He is the strongest i ever had out of 17 bettas. At petco, he was about 12 or 14 months old. Thus, he survived that long in a cup, that other bettas would have been adopted or died.

Thus, in his state, i think other bettas would have died. However, i am pretty hopeful that he will make it and recover.

However, I am also concern that this will impact his later longevity. So, I am not sure he can live 4 year or 6 like I would hope. However, maybe, I dont know.

In addition, he might be more susceptible to later bacteria infections maybe rather than if he never got this bad condition. I am not sure

3) After three days of treatment with methylene blue + vitachem. I think I will not use methylene blue. Rather, i will use just vitachem. Thus, he should be somewhat less stress maybe. I have used methylene blue for 9 days out of 30, then like during 20-23 maybe, and most recently 27-30. So, he has too much experience wtih that recently. That is what I think. What about you?

 

I have furan-2 + kanaplex + vitachem in a 5 gallon.

I will do either once a day or twice a day water changes. I might do the latter even though that uses more medicine over time.

My question, is do you think i really need to add methylene blue? It is like day 34, and day 1-9 i used those two and methylene blue. Then i used methlyene blue like 23-24 without any other meds.

I can see my betta without methylene blue, in addition he might be less stress with blue water. what you think? is just those two enough?

 

Don't know what you're treating but the Betta might earlier die of a chemical poisoning than a disease.

 

One of the gills is black because i used too much aquarium salt while trying to treat a bump inside and fin rot

I think the excessive salt got rid of anything else. but now he has some immune system weakness and that black gill.

I am focus on his immune system and also his black gill. Vitachem should be enough to heal that right.

Methylene blue isn't specifically for that is it?

Again, that might stress him some because of blue water, and in addition, he is very difficult to look at while in blue water.

 

For his black gill.
Basically, I think the excess aquarium salt would have similar treatment as ammonia poisoning.

So if you could give me advice to that. Then that would be helpful.



1) was doing just methylene blue treatment. And, i change the water twice a day.
he right gill is black but he can move his gill to breathe
his left gill look fine
2) I do kanaplex+ furan2 the previous day. In addition, i changed the water only one time today
His right gill looks like the black part is moving back , so he has new growth there and the old black is moving back
However, His left gill it looks like there is some black on the bottom part

Thus, his left gill is overworked and started to become black on the bottom

3) I have to do two water changes each day now. However, a) i am not sure if furan+kanaplex causes his gills to overwork as he has only one very good gill, so it became partially black OR b) it was because I did only one water change instead of two, so it became partially black. c) either way, I dont think i should risk using that furan-2+kanaplex because that might be the issue.

4) Can Methylene blue can overwork gills too?

5) right now i have just clear water, I will do two water changes a day again, and i will use vitachem. However, I am unsure about methylen blue. That would probably put too much stress on his left gill to rather than clear water.

 

Hi. my betta actually has black gills because of excess aquarium salt i did one day to treat fin rot and a bump inside him.

But, i think ammonia poisoning could be the same treatment.

Would furan-2 + kanaplex be good?

Or would just methylene blue be good?

or should i do just two water changes and vitachem?

please don't tell me the first two are okay if you don't really know because i am not sure either of those can stress his gills right now to be worse.

I think i should just treat him with just methylene blue + vitachem + two water changes per day, but no antibiotics unless he gets fin rot or so.

 

Try not to use antibiotics if you can help it! They often hurt the fish more than help.

 

Antibiotics do nothing for the water quality... it is the water that is the problem and not bacteria if it has ammonia poisoning/black gills. And for fin rot it is most likely a water problem aswell. Antibiotics are to kill bacteria, not to solve an issue regarding water quality and/or overdose of salt. Yes antibiotics are good in certain situations but don’t just dose them for any random health problem.

 

Edit: Never mind, I was wrong.

 

You obviously care about your fish, but the misuse of medications is like poison. Reading your other thread, it seems the fish had Lymphosystis? If so, there is nothing to treat. Think of it like warts in human terms, it will often go away on its own. But you overreacted and now have a very sick fish.

Methylene blue is primarily for fungus, and is known to kill the biofilter. I suspect the black gill is ammonia burn, not from salt.

Kanaplex and Furan 2 are of no use here. Ditto salt.

Vita-Chem is not a treatment, but like a multiple vitamin and probably can't hurt.

A stronger drug that treats everything doesn't exist, and you can see how quickly things get out of hand. At this point the best thing to do is stop all medications, do a water change, test for toxins, and more water changes as necessary. Good luck.

 

okay. i think i will just do weak methylene blue and some vitachem

i am currently doing 2 wc a day. i will increase it to 3 times, and set an alarm for every 8 hours or so

 

In your other thread yoy said Kanaplex and Furan were allready in.

Medication treat specific diseases and not treat/reverse damage done. If it is damage you're mentioning it has to recover on its own.

As said in the other thread : The chance you might kill your fish by using all kinds of stuff is pretty big.

 

Several threads have been merged please only create one thread per topic, members can advise you better if they have all the information in one place

 

okay. i think i will just do weak methylene blue and some vitachem

i am currently doing 2 wc a day. i will increase it to 3 times, and set an alarm for every 8 hours or so

You've received a lot of great advice about how to help your fish, but you seem to have your mind made up about dosing medications needlessly. I really hope things work out for your fish. Good luck.

 

I really think its just natural coloring and as said above bombarding the betta with meds will do more harm than good. I would just wait it out and see.

 

You've received a lot of great advice about how to help your fish, but you seem to have your mind made up about dosing medications needlessly. I really hope things work out for your fish. Good luck.

CRITICAL THINKING does not mean ones mind is made it. It means someone doesn't like being spoon fed.

I did not want to write a long reply, rather than just state a conclusion of what I drew from conclusion because it takes a little bit of time. However, here, I will write long form okay. It is fine for me to do that. I just thought I save time okay.

Part of my conclusion was not to use additional medication to methylene blue + vitachem. THUS, I am not using furan-2+ kanaplex. HOWEVER, you just said I have my "mind made up." Is me not using antibiotics anymore Is that contrary to your conclusion of that ? I think so, okay.

I do not accept any information that is given to me automatically okay. However, I just stated I accepted that information right? Yes, I did. Here is long form why i do not accept all information anyone gives me anywhere okay. You may like "critical thinking" vs "spoon fed" too, okay. So i write a long form reply here, okay.

1) a) It is part of "critical thinking" to think for myself. You do know what "critical thinking" is right? b) Here, it means i am do not take information "spoon fed" to me. Those are two important and related term, okay.

What i am using:
I am using methylene blue + vitachem. I am not using any other medication. This tread is dated as the newest. It said that as part of my recent posts. So, whoever said i am using furan-2 + kanaplex, does not realize that was about 28 days ago whereas my treatment of that was for only 9 days rather than your presumption that I am treating this betta for 28 or more days with those two things. HOWEVER, I did recently ask if i should use furan-2 + kanaplex, again. Thus, I concluded I shouldn't based on the advice that was given to me here, so it helped me change my "mind made up" to a different "mind made up;" HOWEVER, maybe I will have a different "mind made up" later.


Medication in general vs medication class vs medication specific
1)a) Methylene blue is used to treat methemoglobinemia. It is not a "antibiotic." Thus it is a different class as that. Please be specific as to what classes: antibiotic, medicated dye for methemoglobinemia, or vitamins like vitachem. Thus, "general" "medication" criticism is not medication specific, rather it is a general terms of anything are meant not to be absolute.

Generalization means something of the sort of "in most cases." In sort, it is what "correlations" in anything in a sample or population is, it is about "in most cases." That is what generalization is. Otherwise, it is not a generalization, and it is an absolute and in all cases. If it is an absolute, then it would mean that I would not use medication if the betta gets ammonia poisoning again. Hence, it is likely a "generaralization" rather than "absolute"

b) "methemoglobinemia" means there is issues with oxygen; hence, it is treatment for issues with oxygen related to black gills, oxygen issues in blood, and gill issues.

c) So,specific criticism should address methylene blue rather than have a generalization it in "medication" or "antibiotics" otherwise it is difficult for me to follow with "thinking" and "critical thinking" okay? HOWEVER, I understood the statements as "in most cases" or "in general" or "this is a generalization." That is simply how i read things okay. It does related to reading comprehension. However, maybe it is bad with that, I am wrong, and others is better for that okay.

Restate what "critical thinking" is vs "spoon fed"
I don't like being spoon fed, okay? That is why i "think" and i need argumentation.

Others have given argumentation as to why not to use too much too much general medication.


For methylene blue:

There are many stie in google to counter that for ammonia poisoning. So, you can counter them if you want, but it is not substantial argumentation except against too much medication in general.

Methylene blue is used as a medication for the treatment of methemoglobinemia.
Methemoglobinemia can be caused by high nitrites (and ammonia) in the blood, which happens in fish respiration in water high in ammonia or nitrites.

besides lots of google sites,

However, maybe you or others can give me better argumentation against Methylene Blue.

However, the arguments here are against general medication or continued furan-2+kanaplex.


For vitachem:

Vitachem doing nothing is absolutely not true or some other word. Nutritions get more used and depleted during times of healing. That is something biologically of any life. Thus, people take vitamins of any species when they are deficient of something. In zoos, animals of different species use vitamins. The same is true for humans.

Conclusion:
That is "critical thinking" and it is what is against being "spoon fed," okay. I didn't want to make a long reply. So, i gave a short reply of what i was doing.

After reading this, I hope you would not like being "spoon fed" either okay. I want you not to like it either, okay

 

CRITICAL THINKING does not mean ones mind is made it. It means someone doesn't like being spoon fed.

I did not want to write a long reply, rather than just state a conclusion of what I drew from conclusion because it takes a little bit of time. However, here, I will write long form okay. It is fine for me to do that. I just thought I save time okay.

Part of my conclusion was not to use additional medication to methylene blue + vitachem. THUS, I am not using furan-2+ kanaplex. HOWEVER, you just said I have my "mind made up." Is me not using antibiotics anymore Is that contrary to your conclusion of that ? I think so, okay.

That was hilarious to read. Have a nice night buddy.

 

That was hilarious to read. Have a nice night buddy.

Honestly I had a stroke reading "okay" after every sentence.

 

Honestly I had a stroke reading "okay" after every sentence.

Same. You'd think with all those critical thinking skills he would've figured out that the "black gills" is his fish's beard and not something that needs to be treated.

 

Hi, to confirm if it is the fish's beard could you take a picture when the fish is in full flare?

 

1) In his 4g or so out of 5g aquarium, I treat him with 5-6 drops of vitachem, 1 drop of methylene blue, and a wonder shell.

2) I change his water 3 x or 2x a day. I try to do it every 8 hours or so, but sometimes i do it every 10 or 12h


A) From like sunday or monday, he was much weaker than now. He is gaining strenght. In addition, he has not have any issues with fin rot. He still has a light internal bump, but I will think about and address that later.

B) Since Tuesday or 3 days ago, he has been steadily improving. His right side gill function used to be very small and tiny, and now his gill on his right side looks good.

I have included a video of his right side and left side gill. His right side is the main gill side that had an issue. After his gill blackness, he still had minor gill function.

His right gill:

His left gill. It wasn't really damaged from the start of five days ago or so:

 

The black is definitely not the beard unlike what others have said.

I do think 3x a day water changing is overkill. 2 is really the maximum I would do daily.