Best Canister On A Budget? 38gallon

sassymomma

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I'm tired of fixing/replacing clogged hob filtration units

Is there a canister that would work for me that won’t break the bank? I’m running a 38 bow front and right now I’m the most heavily stocked that ever been with 1bn pleco, 6khulis, 4 guppies, 6harlequens, 2 mystery snail, unknown quantities of mts

I was planning on getting the harlequins up to ten but now I’m not sure if my filtration can handle it
 

finnipper59

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sassymomma said:
I'm tired of fixing/replacing clogged hob filtration units

Is there a canister that would work for me that won’t break the bank? I’m running a 38 bow front and right now I’m the most heavily stocked that ever been with 1bn pleco, 6khulis, 4 guppies, 6harlequens, 2 mystery snail, unknown quantities of mts

I was planning on getting the harlequins up to ten but now I’m not sure if my filtration can handle it
I currently use a Penn Plax Castade on a tank you size that was rated for tanks up to 150 gallons. I don't remember how many gph it runs, but it's perfect for my tank and if memory serves me correctly, I think I paid $74.00 for it. I do most of my shopping so it came from Chewey, Amazon, Walmart, or Ebay. Just type Aquarium Canister Filters into Google and you'll get a lot of comparisons. I actually think it was from Chewey and there was no postage because it was over $49.00.
 

dcocinci

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If you aren't against getting a used one and have a Facebook account, check Facebook Marketplace. All kinds of used aquarium gear on there.
 

OneLittleBubble

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I like to use the aquatop cf500 or something like that it was like 130?? Maybe less, but it works for 75 gallon I think.
 

finnipper59

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OneLittleBubble said:
I like to use the aquatop cf500 or something like that it was like 130?? Maybe less, but it works for 75 gallon I think.
Let me do a little online shopping and I'll get back to you asap.
 

OneLittleBubble

Member
Oh shoot, it says 40 gallon. I don't know about the canister I recommended then. The flow might be too strong. For a 40, I would use a hang on the back. I think it's cheaper.
 

finnipper59

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The Penn-Plax Canister 1000 that I have wors great and is east to maintain with3 baskets in it for media which is all included at Petco for $84.49
OneLittleBubble said:
Oh shoot, it says 40 gallon. I don't know about the canister I recommended then. The flow might be too strong. For a 40, I would use a hang on the back. I think it's cheaper.
 

OneLittleBubble

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finnipper59 said:
The Penn-Plax Canister 1000 that I have wors great and is east to maintain with3 baskets in it for media which is all included at Petco for $84.49
???? I can't really understand what you're saying because of the typos. Sorry. Oh yeah, the aquatop has a UV light built in. 5 baskets
 

finnipper59

Member
The flow is strong only in a straight line and slows down when it hits the other side of the tank. I ever have a betta in my tank that has no problem with the flow in the tank. I have to clean it every other month instead of changing filter cartridges every week.
finnipper59 said:
The Penn-Plax Canister 1000 that I have wors great and is east to maintain with3 baskets in it for media which is all included at Petco for $84.49
 

OneLittleBubble

Member
Honestly, I wouldn't buy Penn-Plax (personally, no offence) just because I feel like that brand makes cheaper made stuff. Like fake decorations and stuff. Not saying the filter is cheap
 

finnipper59

Member
OneLittleBubble said:
Honestly, I wouldn't buy Penn-Plax (personally, no offence) just because I feel like that brand makes cheaper made stuff. Like fake decorations and stuff. Not saying the filter is cheap
Ok. It's just a recommendation, not advice. I just have had great success with it. I choose to recommend something that I personally have tried.
 

Mick Frost

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OneLittleBubble said:
Honestly, I wouldn't buy Penn-Plax (personally, no offence) just because I feel like that brand makes cheaper made stuff. Like fake decorations and stuff. Not saying the filter is cheap
Haven't used a Penn-Plax canister filter, but as for the brand I put them above Tetra. I use the air-drive filters for carbon etc when I need to, and I think the oldest one I have still in serviceable condition is from the mid 90s. I also have one of those dinosaur green power filters around here somewhere. Mind you, I have a Hagen air pump from 1977ish sitting on my kitchen counter right now aerating my sick Danios.
 

finnipper59

Member
finnipper59 said:
Ok. It's just a recommendation, not advice. I just have had great success with it. I choose to recommend something that I personally have tried.
Something else I tried and still own is a Sunsun canister filter. It sucks. It bragged about great water flow. I had it running in me 10 gallon Quarantine tank. It had less flow that the hob filter I now have back on the tank. The Sunsun is back in it's box and in my closet.
 

Bermuda Triangle

Member
sassymomma said:
I'm tired of fixing/replacing clogged hob filtration units

Is there a canister that would work for me that won’t break the bank? I’m running a 38 bow front and right now I’m the most heavily stocked that ever been with 1bn pleco, 6khulis, 4 guppies, 6harlequens, 2 mystery snail, unknown quantities of mts

I was planning on getting the harlequins up to ten but now I’m not sure if my filtration can handle it
I recently purchased a Marineland canister filter . I’m very pleased with how well it functions . Regardless of which filter you choose, Petsmart will match Chewy or their website prices in store . Petco will do the same . Pet Supply Plus will match any online prices. I saved a bundle of money not just on a filter , but on supplements , fish food , medications , dry goods such as filter pads for my canister filter .
Good luck .
 

Thunder_o_b

Member
Give us an amount to the money you are looking to spend.

Keep in mind that a good canister is not cheap and a cheap canister is not good.

I use nothing but MarineLand. I am running 6 canisters at this time.
 
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sassymomma

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Well, petsmart carries fluval starting at $150....but that price tag will mean up to 3months wait time while I budget.

I saw one on amazon.ca for$100, with good reviews, which I could better afford

I don’t mind paying a bit more if it means having a great filter for my display tank and only buying once....as long as I know that I’m buying a make/model that will manage my tank

Edit: that is the penplax cascade on amazon. They also have eheim canisters. For the price of fluval units, I’m better to make an envelope and pay cash in store
 

JLeeM

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sassymomma said:
Well, petsmart carries fluval starting at $150....but that price tag will mean up to 3months wait time while I budget.

I saw one on amazon.ca for$100, with good reviews, which I could better afford

I don’t mind paying a bit more if it means having a great filter for my display tank and only buying once....as long as I know that I’m buying a make/model that will manage my tank

Edit: that is the penplax cascade on amazon. They also have eheim canisters. For the price of fluval units, I’m better to make an envelope and pay cash in store
PetSmart will price match the Fluval canisters to Amazon prices. I also give a +1 to the Penn Plax Cascade. I just set up my first canister filter (Cascade 700) on a 40 gallon breeder. I love it so far.
 

bgclarke

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Petsmart here in Canada regularly puts the Fluval 06 series canisters on sale for about $50 off, which would bring the 206 down to your budget level.
Big Al's is also having their annual tent sale next weekend (May 25-27).
 

finnipper59

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OneLittleBubble said:
Honestly, I wouldn't buy Penn-Plax (personally, no offence) just because I feel like that brand makes cheaper made stuff. Like fake decorations and stuff. Not saying the filter is cheap
I would like to make a suggestion that you not pay so much attention to brands and concentrate on gph moreso than size rating. Keep within you budget and get the best flow rate for your budget. No matter what canister filter you buy, it's only going to have one moving part...the impeller. It's not like you're shopping for cars with a lot of different options.
 

DarkOne

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finnipper59 said:
I would like to make a suggestion that you not pay so much attention to brands and concentrate on gph moreso than size rating. Keep within you budget and get the best flow rate for your budget. No matter what canister filter you buy, it's only going to have one moving part...the impeller. It's not like you're shopping for cars with a lot of different options.
Actually, there are features in canisters that can vary. I chose Fluval 06 series because of the aquaflow valve. The plastics are better quality than SunSun or PennPlax. I got a 206 for $90 on Amazon but it's too small for a 38g tank. I have it on a 20 gallon long. I have a 306 on a 40b and a 406 and FX4 on a 75g.
 
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sassymomma

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Does the over-filtration rule apply with canisters? Better to over filtrate than have barely enough.....I generally like to run two 50 gallon hob, or 300gph on my 38 bow front....Am I aiming to do the same thing with the canister?
 

Mick Frost

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Overfiltration as in excess media is never a bad thing (within reason). Overfiltration as in high flow rates can stress fish and make a mess if its too much.
 

DarkOne

Member
sassymomma said:
Does the over-filtration rule apply with canisters? Better to over filtrate than have barely enough.....I generally like to run two 50 gallon hob, or 300gph on my 38 bow front....Am I aiming to do the same thing with the canister?
You're in line with the recommended gph for your tank. Usually 8-10x for HOBs, 4-8x for canisters. The main reason is that canisters can hold more media than HOBs but also better mechanical filtration too. My 20 gallon has a 206 for 10x, 40 gallon has a 306 for 7.5x and my 75 gallon has a FX4 and 406 for 14.4x. The plan was to get the FX4 and remove the 406 after it cycled but I just left it on there. I did think of swapping the 406 and 306 for better filtration on my 40g. The aquavalve is the same on the '06 canisters so you can swap easily w/o swapping the hoses.

I clean my HOBs every week (Aqueon QF20 on 10 gallon QT and Aqua Clear 50 on 20 gallon shrimp tank) and my canisters every 4-6 weeks. The FX4 gets cleaned every 2-3 months.

For your 38g, a Fluval 306 (300gph) or 406 (383gph) would be fine. The 406 does have a slightly stronger output so if you have fish that doesn't like strong current, you can get an output nozzle from a FX4 (or FX6) that will fit the hose and lessen the current w/o restricting the flow.

SunSun, Penn Plax and Marineland also have good canisters for less money. Their plastics feel slightly more brittle and they are harder to source parts if/when you need them. I like the quality and features of Fluvals so I stuck with their canisters.
 
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sassymomma

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DarkOne said:
For your 38g, a Fluval 306 (300gph) or 406 (383gph) would be fine. The 406 does have a slightly stronger output so if you have fish that doesn't like strong current, you can get an output nozzle from a FX4 (or FX6) that will fit the hose and lessen the current w/o restricting the flow.

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And with the Fluval, I know that I can walk into the store and buy the parts/products that correspond. I also already have media in-house, which I pack into my HOBs.

Ok, I think...it looks like I'll go Fluval 306 if I can come up with the money, Penplax from Amazon if I can't. Reviews are good on the Penplax, but I don't like buying blind
 

dwarfpufferlover

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I went with a fluval 106!

thought It would be easier for replacement parts.
 

75g Discus Tank

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EheI'm makes a good canister.

If you have an extra pump, you could make your own canister filter.
 

DarkOne

Member
sassymomma said:
And with the Fluval, I know that I can walk into the store and buy the parts/products that correspond. I also already have media in-house, which I pack into my HOBs.

Ok, I think...it looks like I'll go Fluval 306 if I can come up with the money, Penplax from Amazon if I can't. Reviews are good on the Penplax, but I don't like buying blind
I think it's worth saving up for.

75g Discus Tank said:
EheI'm makes a good canister.

If you have an extra pump, you could make your own canister filter.
EheI'm makes good canisters but their classic line that is similarly priced to Fluval is dated (same design from 30+ yrs ago) and maintenance is a PITA. Their Pro line is 50-75% more than any other canister.
 

86 ssinit

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On a budget your best bet IS a sunsun canister. Yes people have had problems with flow rate. That’s because they follow the companies advice on packing the filter. If you use sponges and floss in the first basket and than fill the other baskets up with media (matrix,bio-Holm,ceramic rings....) your flow rate will be much better. I’ve been using 2 for over a year and have had no problems. Most people who are telling you of problems are either second hand or about flow rate. Hey for $60 you can’t go wrong. Buy it and than save for a year and than you can buy that big dollar brand name . Check out utube videos by pondguru. Good luck in your search.
 

jmaldo

Member
I started with AquaClear HOB's, then decided to make the switch to a canister for my 55. Thought about price of course, quite a few members like the SunSun for the $'s. During my research and the reviews, I decided on Eheims. I now have them on all my tanks, from the 2211 up to the 2217. A few more $$'s but well worth it (especially catching them on sale). Set-up and forget for 2-3 months. Good Luck with whatever you decide.
 

TLeTourneau

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I've had pretty much all of the Cascades and they were fine overall, a few minor problems here and there but they worked. I switched to completely Fluval and have had a 106, 206, 306, 406, FX4, and FX6 - they were all good. I currently run two FX6's on our 150 tall and couldn't be happier with the performance and the ease of finding parts and supplies. If it were me, I would try for a Fluval (or Eheim) if I could and go for the Cascade if I couldn't swing one of those. Although a lot of people run the SunSun's without issue I have read to many negative reviews to try them myself so I can't say one way or another about those. For your tank I'd look at a Fluval 206 at a minimum ($93.97 on Amazon) or larger (the 306 is $148.74 at PetSmart and Petco will match them) if you can afford it. You can never have too much filtration and flow is controllable.
 

TJG

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I have been running a Cascade 700 for about 8 years and a cascade1000 for about 7 and the only issue I ran into was a seal in the 700 broke the last time I had it apart and I damaged the valves on it.
 

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