Bad set up, right?..

Discussion in 'Aquarium Stocking Questions' started by MatthewM, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. MatthewMValued MemberMember

    This is not m tank, and i have no control over it, but i just wanna sorta confirm my suspicion that this tank is not right. It's in the childrens ward at the hospital in my town, saw it visiting a friend today. Same depth as my 75, but like twice as long. So im guessing like a 150/200?? First thing i thought was odd, was they had what appeared to be a filter intake for a small penguin biofilter on one end, (couldn't see because of canopy) and just clustered right there, within two inches of each other, was the intake and return for what i think (die to the signature green) is an eheim canister. Why put all filter returns and intakes, RIGHT next to eachother, on one side of a huge tank? It just seems counter productive and like it wouldn't fully filter the tank, right? As for stocking. We have 4, LARGE tinfoil barbs. And i mean large. Like 6 inches minimum. They were all bear up, one had a messed up eye, then we have a pencil fish? Dont know anything about those. About 6 inches as well. Then there was a blood parrot, huge. Saw it beating up on other fish. Another smaller parrot. A rainbow botia, pretty small. Like 4 inches, hid a lot. A rainbow shark that was like 2 inches long. It was reallllyyy hiding, im sure for good reason. And two silver dollars. One with really red back fins, and one normal one. Now, i now sd's and barbs need 6, so thats a problem. Don't know much about the others. But from the looks of their conditions, they were beat up.also 11 at night and the lights still on. Now, i don't have much i can do here but mention it to staff or something, but this is a bad setup, right?
     




  2. HypeirNew MemberMember

    From my perspective:
    The tank is probably a 150.
    Filter placement: yeah it could be better. However this all depends on the size of the ehiem. Water has amazing dispersion properties, so if the GPH of filtration is adequate then I'm sure the tank is toxin free.
    Next: Stock, I don't believe that it is overstocked however it's likely pushing the boundaries. Their choice of fish could definitely have been better.
    Schooling fish.. people here seem pretty adamant about 6. I'm not, I believe 3-4 is fine, just my opinion.
    Just to wrap that up, they're definitely guilty of poor stocking, poor use of filter mechanics and they probably have unhappy fish. @OP, i'm sure you can complain to the front desk, I doubt anything will be done. Good Luck!
     




  3. DadioWell Known MemberMember

    Whoa, that's like a major battle grounds. Your right about filter placement as all that is doing is circumventing the corner. Filtration should be setup so as to feed the most natural flow possible covering a minimum 2/3 tank space excluding deco imo and my 55g O2A community tank has proven that. If set rightly, the need for maintenance is minimal. As for fish compatibility, like I said, a possible battleground and tanks for places like this are not supposed to be as such. Visual stress to a depressive, bipolar or other seizure type afflicted person can be triggered by sometimes the smallest touch of tension or stress. I'd be in their face about it and most likely end up being escorted out:;bananaslide:;bananagreen:;bananared
     




  4. MatthewMValued MemberMember

    That's what i thought :p
     
  5. SnyperToddValued MemberMember

    I wholeheartedly agree! I didn't realize fish could count until I joined Fishlore... Seriously though, you're absolutely right. I've had schooling fish be perfectly happy, healthy, and stress-free in groups of 3-4. At the same time, I've had some that didn't perk up until I had their numbers up to 10+. There's no argument that more is better, but there's no logic in fixating on the number 6.
     
  6. HypeirNew MemberMember

    Sorry but this is a stretch, it's highly unlikely that an aquarium would be detrimental to patients.

    My thoughts on schooling fish, the more the merrier!!! However if I want to "display" silver dollars in a "display" tank, I'm not maximizing the tank's capacity with them.
     
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  7. Et tuValued MemberMember

    I bet that the tank/equipment/ were a donation, as are the fish ( re homed). The maintenance for it is most likely done by a group like the Boy Scouts,Girl Scouts, or another organization. Watching fish has a calming effect, especially important for sick,scared kids. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles.
     
  8. Bijou88Well Known MemberMember

    Yes, but I don't think watching fish try to kill each other would have the calming effect that was surely intended. :/

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Fish Lore Aquarium Fish Forum mobile app
     
  9. DadioWell Known MemberMember

    Sorry, but this has been proven under many studies including our own in the use of therapeutics towards stress relief, PTSD treatments and other.

    Any undue stress to any person with severe mental instability can be triggered into a seizure or act of further instability whether it be from visual stimuli or auditory. Even flash cards can trigger deep emotions, outbursts and instability is severe cases. Therefore in some cases any sort of environmental instability can be detrimental so please get your facts straight before biting off into an area that you have no knowledge or experience in. For over 12 years of my involvement in wellness and health and with that of over 30 years of experience from that of my wife's side working with people from all walks of life is more than enough for me to make this statement and back it up.

    Even the subtle act of colour such as that in light therapies where red light to a bipolar recipient can react in outward aggressiveness or self-inflicted acts such as severe scratching, lip biting and more. Even those simply under high stress can be affected by something that reacts or shows aggressive visual or sound.
     
  10. MatthewMValued MemberMember

    Haha i wasnt even sick and it was bothering me ;p
     
  11. leftswerveWell Known MemberMember

    And they could probably use someone with aquatic experience to help out.
     
  12. MatthewMValued MemberMember

    I don't know about donation, as they have had a tank since i was a tiny person. Different tanks, different fish, so I'm guessing someone runs it. Just not correctly.
     
  13. Et tuValued MemberMember

    Then give them your advise and offer to take over the the maintenance, so it will be done as you see fit.
     
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